The difference between INTJ and ISTJ?

Chiefsweetteaa · Jul 12, 2019

Hello all,
I've been away from these forums for quite some time now. I've recently become re-interested in the MBTI personality assessment.

I had a question about INTJ's and ISTJ's. I've taken the MBTI assessment a few times now, and I'm usually really close on the intuitive / sensor part, so IXTJ currently.

What would you say is a strong indicator if someone is an intuitive or a sensor, particularly if one is testing about 50 / 50?

Thanks! :wink:

stathamspeacoat · Jul 12, 2019

The ones I know are a bit more meticulous than I am and I mean that as a compliment. I feel like while we get (approximately) the same result, I would look a little undisciplined if you compared our processes. I think this is how they get tagged as "by the book."

INTP's dad is an ISTJ and dad and I are like 2 peas in a pod. We are very similar - we're both organized jerks who you don't want to meet at a Monopoly board; however, the main difference that I notice is that he will do things completely and correctly vs I am satisfied with done but not necessarily perfect. He is more regimented and methodical than I am. I'm more like eh, you don't really need all of these steps.

I'm gonna page @Nashvols to this thread since he gets to bask in the double IxTJ rainbow and perhaps can articulate the differences from a more objective pov

brightflashes · Jul 12, 2019

Chiefsweetteaa said:
Hello all,
I've been away from these forums for quite some time now. I've recently become re-interested in the MBTI personality assessment.

I had a question about INTJ's and ISTJ's. I've taken the MBTI assessment a few times now, and I'm usually really close on the intuitive / sensor part, so IXTJ currently.

What would you say is a strong indicator if someone is an intuitive or a sensor, particularly if one is testing about 50 / 50?

Thanks! :wink:

Connection to reality. If you feel removed from it, it's more likely you're an N type. If you feel more anchored to it, it's more likely you're an S type. That's the best way I can describe it based on my own experiences and the experiences of the N vs S types I know.

Anchored might not be the best word. It might just be "aware". Hope this helps!

Catandroid · Jul 12, 2019

Chiefsweetteaa said:
Hello all,
I've been away from these forums for quite some time now. I've recently become re-interested in the MBTI personality assessment.

I had a question about INTJ's and ISTJ's. I've taken the MBTI assessment a few times now, and I'm usually really close on the intuitive / sensor part, so IXTJ currently.

What would you say is a strong indicator if someone is an intuitive or a sensor, particularly if one is testing about 50 / 50?

Thanks! :wink:

What are your 3 favourite animals and why each one?

Eu_citzen · Jul 12, 2019

brightflashes said:
Connection to reality. If you feel removed from it, it's more likely you're an N type. If you feel more anchored to it, it's more likely you're an S type. That's the best way I can describe it based on my own experiences and the experiences of the N vs S types I know.

Anchored might not be the best word. It might just be "aware". Hope this helps!

I disagree. Mind you, Te should provide a grounding mechanism. In a well-rounded individual, Se might too. At least to some degree.
The whole "disconnected" thing seems like some popular trope for N and/or some of the desired mysticism/idealization some have for it.
Or, perhaps, it has other causes I'm unaware of. But I don't see it as a marker for N vs S, at all. We also tend to be drawn to people similar to us.
Which in such a comparison (between friends) might yield confirmation-bias.

Look at the ENTJ, quite renown for being a strategically minded leader.
It'll be a difficult task to be either, without a decently firm grip on reality.
The INTJ is also known to be strategic and inventive and if s/he pops out of that shell, also a quite capable leader.
Again, all requiring a fairly good grasp on reality.

ISTJs vs INTJ:

INTJs tend to be more "freespirited", while ISTJ prefers tried and true methods.
ISTJs rely heavily on how they experienced things in the past. INTJs to a much lesser extent.
INTJs prefer a larger degree of freedom, while ISTJs prefer a more structured environment.
ISTJs are often bothered by change and INTJs are more prone to initiating it.
INTJs tend to be more independent then ISTJs.
ISTJs have a great sense for details. INTJs might take shortcuts and go "good enough", or "I'll fine-tune it later". And it never happens. E.g. less detail-oriented.

brightflashes · Jul 12, 2019

@Eu_citzen

Excellent points. I'm using the Jungian definition of N without a specifier of whether or not it's in the introverted or extraverted direction. And, again, examples of individuals who have been typed according to my standard of accuracy.

Your examples are more true to MBTI. Good thinking.

I do think that both characterisations of N are valid, though. It just matters which model the person is speaking of and since we're on the INTJ forum, it's most likely that the OP is speaking of MBTI and not Jungian typology.

Eu_citzen · Jul 12, 2019

brightflashes said:
@Eu_citzen

Excellent points. I'm using the Jungian definition of N without a specifier of whether or not it's in the introverted or extraverted direction. And, again, examples of individuals who have been typed according to my standard of accuracy.

Your examples are more true to MBTI. Good thinking.

I do think that both characterisations of N are valid, though. It just matters which model the person is speaking of and since we're on the INTJ forum, it's most likely that the OP is speaking of MBTI and not Jungian typology.

I wasn't specifying any specific interpretation of N as such. Speaking in generalities.
And I doubt Jungian typology would significantly alter my arguments. I base a lot of my insight on Jung anyway.
And since the question was about INTJ vs ISTJ, extroverted intuition is irrelevant anyway. :happy:

That said, yeah. The examples are simplified for the purposes of making it more easily available to more people.

roud:

Kiwizoom · Jul 12, 2019

My dad is ISTJ, and I've had some INTJ friends. I guess they are both meticulous in how to get things done efficiently and right. My dad is usually a fairly relaxed and (dryly sarcastic) passive person, 9 times of 10 lets my mom do whatever she wants with house and etc. He'll take the helm on the gritty stuff like taxes and insurance and electronics because she no like electronics. I can see a similarity with INTJ that whenever you get dad on his "thing", cars or fixing things, he is all of a sudden very uptight and demanding about how you do it and HOW YOU DO IT RIGHT or get out of the way you're wasting time. THAT'S NOT EFFICIENT. lol. But he doesn't think deeply about concepts or anything. I share interests with him like music, and we can both talk a long yarn on that. Sometimes I will explain to him what that song from his childhood 40 years ago actually means ( lyrics, concept album stuff, leh DEEP DIVE ) and he will be like whoah. That's too deep for me. I just like the song

Edit: I looked at what previous INTJs said. I can see what they mean.
My dad is insistent on these physical things being done right. Some INTJs said they are a little looser on whether something is presented physically perfect so long as it's done.
Some INTJs I have known were a bit slapdash at times with quality but got everything definitely finished and felt proud it was done. I have also known some INTJs that were very perfectionistic, like OCD, and would not accept any room for slapdash in their work. That was an interesting part of the topic to bring up

Gr8ful · Jul 12, 2019

Key Differences

Chiefsweetteaa said:
Hello all,
I've been away from these forums for quite some time now. I've recently become re-interested in the MBTI personality assessment.

I had a question about INTJ's and ISTJ's. I've taken the MBTI assessment a few times now, and I'm usually really close on the intuitive / sensor part, so IXTJ currently.

What would you say is a strong indicator if someone is an intuitive or a sensor, particularly if one is testing about 50 / 50?

Thanks! :wink:

Here are some key differences I found that may help:

Details vs Big Picture
ISTJ focus more on the details/specifics, while INTJs focus more on the big picture/the meaning behind the details.

New vs Old
ISTJs like to stick to established rules and processes, while INTJs may work to improve them/create new more efficient ones.

Open Mindedness vs Stead-Fast Beliefs
ISTJs tend to have stead-fast beliefs, while INTJs tend to be open-minded.
Example: An INTJ may find themselves switching their core beliefs regarding politics or religion more often than others throughout their life, while an ISTJ will have been firmly planted and dedicated to the same political/religious beliefs nearly their entire life.

Freedom vs Duty
ISTJ feel a sense of duty and obligation, while INTJs do not.
Example: ISTJs may struggle to say "no" to people and or rid themselves of toxic relationships, while INTJs tend to choose their freedom and peace of mind above all else/anyone else (i.e., they will resolutely cut toxic people out of their life, family members and all.)

brightflashes · Jul 12, 2019

Eu_citzen said:
And I doubt Jungian typology would significantly alter my arguments. I base a lot of my insight on Jung anyway.

Then you'd know his definition of "N" is exactly how I put it. Imma call another Jungian, @Dissymetry into the thread to explain just to make certain Jung's definition of "N" is spelled out clearly just because it's important to me that it is here.

Eu_citzen said:
And since the question was about INTJ vs ISTJ, extroverted intuition is irrelevant anyway. :happy:

Ne isn't a function according to Jung. The function is N. The attitude is Extraverted or Introverted. So, "Ne" isn't a function at all in Jungian typology; it's a type. The only difference between INTJ and ISTJ is the preference for N or S, so that's all that's relevant.

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You've known me on this forum for years so I know you know that I wouldn't double down on something unless I sincerely thought it was important or even crucial to make certain that I'm being clear. I have noticed a drifting from Jung among INTJs on this forum in the past 2 years and it confuses me. While I don't really care which model one uses, it's important to me to make certain that false information about Jung and his definition of the functions is at least stood up for here in this forum.

I don't expect anyone else to really listen to me or pay attention, but I've noticed that I keep being sorta shrugged off (not you, just a general attitude) in the INTJ forum when I use my definition of N ... which comes directly from Jung.

Dissy, could you elaborate a bit on N outside of just your definition so that it's clear why I might come across as thinking it's "mystical"? I really don't think it is mystical, though, just to be clear.

And seriously, sorry if this appears like I'm overreacting. It's just that it's important to me to not come off as a complete idiot here. I started feeling inhibited here once and didn't post regularly for over a year as a result.

SynthinkingMuse · Jul 12, 2019

Good points so far. This post will discuss an ISTJ I know as a case study rather than a discussion of Jungian differences. Before beginning, I will note that the basis for my experience with the ISTJ personality type is my father, an ISTJ who has some anxious tendencies to his way of interacting with the world and a verbose communication style that makes it easy to lose track of his main points in a sea of examples and/or background information. These tendencies can make it difficult to get along with him sometimes. Sorry in advance for the snarky tone.

Pros:
* Excellent at detailed work (e.g. his attention to detail was a great help for editing documents during college class registration and a recent job search)
* Long range planning: I’ve learned how to organize my time and life better with lists by observing his process over the years
* Possesses a caring heart toward equipping my brother and I with knowledge and skills to become financially literate and financially independent

Cons:
* Could just be a personal preference, but this ISTJ seems to use “high priority” tasks to delay some maintenance tasks for years until something breaks spectacularly (e.g. not having hot water for a month because a pipe burst complete with waterfall sound effects)
* Some tactical decisions don’t make sense such as delegating tasks to people who lack the knowledge to address inevitable obstacles to completing the task to the letter and then being unavailable for questions
* Can unintentionally make people feel like an underperforming project while mentoring them

Note to the OP:
On the subject of functions, the prime differences between INTJ and ISTJ will be found in the 1st and 4th functions. That is, dominant Ni vs Si and inferior Se vs Ne. I don't know your familiarity with the MBTI system, but when someone is new to the system it can be easy to see yourself in multiple types until you gain enough knowledge of yourself from many different situations to start seeing patterns. These patterns will suggest what functions you use most comfortably and help you establish a profile for your most likely type. The Cognitive Functions subforum may be a helpful resource if you want to learn more about the functions.

Lastly, I recommend not placing too much weight on the rabbit hole personality self-assessments as the questions often rely on stereotypes and have a tendency to encourage more intuitive/thinking results from question wording (e.g. who doesn't want to be a 'strategic mastermind' or be careful when making important decisions?). The self assessments are a good starting point, but their weakness is that the quizzes rely on the test taker answering questions as they are at the core without any idealistic thinking about who they want to be or who they are in certain situations. Also, consider what is going in your life emotionally when the test is taken as well as this factor can bias the results.

I hope this post helps with your journey of self-discovery.

Eu_citzen · Jul 12, 2019

brightflashes said:
Then you'd know his definition of "N" is exactly how I put it. Imma call another Jungian, @Dissymetry into the thread to explain just to make certain Jung's definition of "N" is spelled out clearly just because it's important to me that it is here.

Ne isn't a function according to Jung. The function is N. The attitude is Extraverted or Introverted. So, "Ne" isn't a function at all in Jungian typology; it's a type. The only difference between INTJ and ISTJ is the preference for N or S, so that's all that's relevant.

Yeah, I guess that's one way to see it. No argument, really.
I don't think I've argued how the function is defined? rather how it can manifest.

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You've known me on this forum for years so I know you know that I wouldn't double down on something unless I sincerely thought it was important or even crucial to make certain that I'm being clear. I have noticed a drifting from Jung among INTJs on this forum in the past 2 years and it confuses me. While I don't really care which model one uses, it's important to me to make certain that false information about Jung and his definition of the functions is at least stood up for here in this forum.

I don't expect anyone else to really listen to me or pay attention, but I've noticed that I keep being sorta shrugged off (not you, just a general attitude) in the INTJ forum when I use my definition of N ... which comes directly from Jung.

Dissy, could you elaborate a bit on N outside of just your definition so that it's clear why I might come across as thinking it's "mystical"? I really don't think it is mystical, though, just to be clear.

And seriously, sorry if this appears like I'm overreacting. It's just that it's important to me to not come off as a complete idiot here. I started feeling inhibited here once and didn't post regularly for over a year as a result.

Years? I've only been a member for 1½ years, barely. :happy:
Feel free to double down. Maybe we both can learn something from this little discussion.:happy:
That's why I joined in the first place. To learn. It's not my intention to make you look like an idiot, btw.
All I'm really saying is: You can be an N and still be connected to reality.

Also, I need to double check, is it this definition below you are discussing?
Just so we are on equal terms.

Connection to reality. If you feel removed from it, it's more likely you're an N type. If you feel more anchored to it, it's more likely you're an S type. That's the best way I can describe it based on my own experiences and the experiences of the N vs S types I know.

Anchored might not be the best word. It might just be "aware". Hope this helps!

I'm attaching a snippet from Jung to see if this is the same "definition" you've read?
It's from Collected Works of C.G. Jung: The First Complete English Edition of the Works of C.G. Jung.
Perhaps all there is to it, is that I perceive my own intuition differently.
I'd, per Jungian typology, call my intuition a concrete one.. More reactionary, per his own description.
As opposed to abstract intuition. I believe we touched that aspect before?

brightflashes · Jul 12, 2019

@Eu_citzen

How strange. I thought that I remembered talking to you before I took my 1 year hiatus and then coming back and you're still here, so I guess I was miscalculating.

No, the definition I'm talking about is the Jungian definition which Dissy will provide.

What I'm mostly responding to is this:

"I disagree. Mind you, Te should provide a grounding mechanism. In a well-rounded individual, Se might too. At least to some degree.
The whole "disconnected" thing seems like some popular trope for N and/or some of the desired mysticism/idealization some have for it."

You say you have disagreed with me. That's cool; no problem. We all have different understandnigs and we all use different theory. However, you say this disconnected thing is a "trope", and it's not - it's part of Jungian canon. Since you say:

"And I doubt Jungian typology would significantly alter my arguments. I base a lot of my insight on Jung anyway."

That's what I'm doubling down on. I really think it would alter your arguments which is why I'm trying to pull @Dissymetry in here to speak for me (he's better at explaining than I am) about the whole N = disconnection from reality vs S = anchored or awareness of reality.

It's important to me because I actually do feel like my reality is being sorta twisted every time someone says that I am somehow misrepresenting (not your actual words; you're fine) Jung or somehow associating N with mysticism or whatever. I'm just bringing Dissy into it because if I AM wrong (which I totally could be), I'd like it to be explained to me exactly how I'm wrong and why.

lol. And that's exactly why I want to explore it: I think there's something to learn here for both of us. Again, my math must be terribly off.

hornpipe2 · Jul 12, 2019

Eu_citzen said:
I'm attaching a snippet from Jung to see if this is the same "definition" you've read?
It's from Collected Works of C.G. Jung: The First Complete English Edition of the Works of C.G. Jung.
Perhaps all there is to it, is that I perceive my own intuition differently.

Having only Jung's definition of "intuition" is incomplete, I would also need to see his definition of "sensation", and his commentary on how he differentiates the two would be helpful.

I think @brightflashes is on to something but maybe the confusion is about the word "anchored", which you've turned into "grounded", but neither word really captures the meaning.

Eu_citzen · Jul 12, 2019

brightflashes said:
@Eu_citzen

How strange. I thought that I remembered talking to you before I took my 1 year hiatus and then coming back and you're still here, so I guess I was miscalculating.

No, the definition I'm talking about is the Jungian definition which Dissy will provide.

What I'm mostly responding to is this:

"I disagree. Mind you, Te should provide a grounding mechanism. In a well-rounded individual, Se might too. At least to some degree.
The whole "disconnected" thing seems like some popular trope for N and/or some of the desired mysticism/idealization some have for it."

You say you have disagreed with me. That's cool; no problem. We all have different understandnigs and we all use different theory. However, you say this disconnected thing is a "trope", and it's not - it's part of Jungian canon. Since you say:

"And I doubt Jungian typology would significantly alter my arguments. I base a lot of my insight on Jung anyway."

That's what I'm doubling down on. I really think it would alter your arguments which is why I'm trying to pull @Dissymetry in here to speak for me (he's better at explaining than I am) about the whole N = disconnection from reality vs S = anchored or awareness of reality.

It's important to me because I actually do feel like my reality is being sorta twisted every time someone says that I am somehow misrepresenting (not your actual words; you're fine) Jung or somehow associating N with mysticism or whatever. I'm just bringing Dissy into it because if I AM wrong (which I totally could be), I'd like it to be explained to me exactly how I'm wrong and why.

lol. And that's exactly why I want to explore it: I think there's something to learn here for both of us. Again, my math must be terribly off.

Perhaps I joined just before you left. I'm not sure. I remember reading posts from you, before.

Oh yeah, thanks for the explanation. I don't have time to go into depth on *why* I think that, right now.
But a short snippet might get the think-tanks spinning; just entertain the idea for now.

This implies there is a form of intuition which is more connected to reality. Or, well, "reactionary" to it.
I'm toying with the idea that ENTJs, might predominantly have this predisposition.

Some, not all, INTJs might as well.
As you see it does imply a abstract form as well, which might form some correlation with what you describe?
I'm not sure.

Either way, food for thought until we get your definition of Intuition.:happy:

Negotiator · Jul 12, 2019

My late father was ISTJ and it was pretty much traditional approach vs. freestyle pragmatic thinking.

Couple of examples:
- Lock of the bathroom was broken. ISTJ despaired at having to call the locksmith to come out and pay a lot. INTJ suggested let's get one at a DIY store for peanuts and screw it on ourselves.
- ISTJ cared a LOT about academic qualifications. INTJ said screw that I will pimp up my CV with real experience.

To sum it up, he was more about following steps according to the system he was taught. Whereas INTJ uses Te in combination more with imagination.

Dissymetry · Jul 12, 2019

@brightflashes is very obviously correct and this is observed in understanding that Sensation is quite literally referred to by Jung as the "fonction du reel" which is to say it is the standpoint of actual, real facts.

Differentiated sensation is the fonction du réel , the perception of reality, and it has nothing to do with the functions of the body. People think they are developing sensation when they have sexual experiences, or when they eat and drink well, or when they take a hot bath.

Mr. Schmitz: Yet they are sensations.

Dr. Jung: But in a psychological sense it has nothing to do with sensation. The psychological function of sensation is the perception of reality, and the standpoint of the sensation type is simply the standpoint of facts. When a person practices recognition of facts, he is doing something for his sensation; but taking a hot bath or painting himself with iodine has nothing to do with it. That is an intuitive misconstruction, he is mixing up the sensations of the body with the principle of sensation, which is really the principle of facts.

The above is from Dream Analysis 1 and clarifies that Sensation is indeed a connection to reality.

@Eu_citizen disagrees that a connection to reality is indicative of Sensation (and, a lack thereof indicative of Intuition) and claims that the "whole "disconnected" thing seems like some popular trope for N and/or some of the desired mysticism/idealization some have for it" which is blatantly incorrect. A disconnection from reality is an indicator of an Intuition ascendance over Sensation.

In

Jung says the following of the introverted intuitive type, the below is transcribed on a website @brightflashes linked me to not long ago (Jung speaks about I/E at about 39 minutes and the functions at about 44 minutes):

When it comes to reality now, that same girl came to me because she couldn’t hear the step of her feet anymore, because she walked on air, literally. She couldn’t hear it, and that frightened her.

When I asked for her address, she said, “Oh, Pension so and so. Well, it is not just called a pension, but it is a sort of pension.”

I had never heard of it.

“I have never heard of that place,” I said.

She replied, “It is a very nice place.

There are only young girls there; they are all very nice young girls, very lovely young girls, and they have a merry time.

I often wish they would invite me to their merry evenings.”

And I said, “Do they amuse themselves all alone?”

“No,” she replied, “there are plenty of young gentlemen coming in; they have a beautiful time, but they never invite me.”

It turned out that this was a private brothel.

She was a perfectly decent girl from a very good family, not from here.

She had found that place, I don’t know how, and she was completely unaware that they were all prostitutes.

I said, “For heaven’s sake, you fell into a very tough place; you’ll hasten to get out of it.”

She didn’t see reality, but she had hunches like everything, vraiment.

For instance, if you have to explain an introverted-intuitive husband to an extrovert wife, it is a most painstaking affair because, you see, an extrovert sensation type is furtherest away from the ‐ inner experience and the rational functions.

He adapts and behaves according to the facts as they are, and he is always caught by those facts.

He himself is those facts.

But if the introvert is intuitive, to him that is hell, because as soon as he is in a definite situation, he tries to find a hole where he can get out.

To him, every given situation is just the worst that can happen to him.

He is pinched and feels he is caught, suffocated, chained.

Clearly, the intuitive type lacks a connection to reality. Connection to reality is Sensation, a connection to reality is to perceive from the standpoint of reality, of facts. A disconnection from reality is not some popular "trope" or idealized perception of intuition but is instead, indicative of intuition. If you feel connected to reality then the chances are you are not an intuitive type following Jungs work.

The MBTI changes N into something else entirely and is a completely separate system that is incompatible with Jungs work in my opinion, I think one can be connected to reality and be an N by dichotomy because of how drastic the changes are to what N (and everything else) is in the MBTI.

Intuition is knowing something without knowing how you know (in a Sensation, connected to reality, fact-based way). The intuition Jung speaks of is the same intuition as is understood by everybody outside of the MBTI community.

Here is a quote from Jung on Intuition, again from Dream Analysis 1:

Sensation simply tells you the visible, tangible, sense qualities, while intuition is a sort of guess about its possibilities. Your senses tell you that here is something, and your thinking tells you what it is, but it takes a lot of intuition to tell you what is behind the walls.

If you allow an unbeautiful way of expressing it, intuition is a sort of elephant’s trunk put into someone’s spinal cord—to go into and behind it and smell it out. Therefore good intuition is often expressed by the nose.

A primitive uses his nose, he smells out thieves and ghosts, and it is the same with mediums in our day; they go into a house and sniff and say “ghosts” if it is haunted. One may discover a peculiar psychology by smell, as I told you recently. You smell a rat—that is intuition.

You can see here how Jung has outlined Intuition as what I said, knowing something without knowing how you know - a sense for this kind of information that goes beyond Sensation facts, just knowing something. Of course, this says nothing as to the accuracy of intuition.

I am unsure how helpful I have been, I am not well at the moment.

Eu_citzen · Jul 13, 2019

@Dissymetry

Thanks.
I guess I have some further reading to do, since I indeed (and apparently wrongly so) tried to draw parallels to Jungian Typology and MBTI.

Go back to post #15 and read the little snippet posted there. What is your take on concrete and abstract intuition?

brightflashes · Jul 13, 2019

Eu_citzen said:
@Dissymetry

Thanks.
I guess I have some further reading to do, since I indeed (and apparently wrongly so) tried to draw parallels to Jungian Typology and MBTI.

Go back to post #15 and read the little snippet posted there. What is your take on concrete and abstract intuition?

First, if you need any pointers on what to read next when it comes to Jung, I can help you depending on what you'd like to learn about next. His entire theory of personality is spread out all over his works and isn't confined only to typology.

Second, I'm interested. Now that Dissy has explained what I was trying to, I'm wondering what you meant by this:

"And I doubt Jungian typology would significantly alter my arguments. I base a lot of my insight on Jung anyway."

Does it alter your arguments significantly? And what insight exactly were you basing on Jung? Are you referring to "concrete" intuition vs "abstract" intuition or something else?

Blue Flower · Jul 13, 2019

If you are close on the dichotomy you likely share features of both types and that is fine.

ISTJ is more focused on step by step processes. Tradition. Family and community.

INTJ is more focused on how an idea leads to a result, but the steps in the middle might not be clearly defined (N types make leaps, S types take steps). While they like a routine, the routine is not grounded in tradition. And they love their people but aren’t defined by them.

ISTJ is grounded by their tribe and place.
INTJ is grounded by their own mind.

A comfortable INTJ is surprisingly playful.
A comfortable ISTJ is not.

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