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Bro, you are biased towards Late 1996 born babies and Late 1990s born babies period. 2004 is a very changeful year because of web 2.0. How about 1997 and 1998 born babies. You said we can't relate to people who were born in 1995 and 1996 born babies. What are you talking about? So you said I am different from them. I am a Malaysian Chinese was born on 8th December 1997 in Brunei. And I am staying in Brunei right now. I am 3 years and 9 months and 3 days old(not 2 days old) when it happened. So you say I have little to no memories of web 1.0. What about the late 1980s and early 1990s born babies? Did they experience web 2.0 as a teen? And you shift me to Early Z. Come on I remember Yahoo and Web 1.0. Hey, you say I am Early Gen Z without any Millennials' qualities. Okay, but you can't deny those who were born in early mid-1996 would protect Late 1996 born babies period. When Pew defined Millennials, they would define using birth years(means all the 1996 born babies) instead of Mid or Late born babies period. Millennials are people who were born from 1st January 1981-31st December 1996 according to Pew.
 
Bro you are biased towards Late 1996 born babies and Late 1990s born babies period. 2004 is a very changeful year. How about 1997 and 1998 born babies. You said we can't relate to people who were born in 1995 and 1996 born babies.Why are you highlighting Web 1.0 and Web 2.0 transition. So you said I am different from them. I am a Malaysian Chinese was born on 8th December 1997 in Brunei.And I am staying in Brunei right now. I am 3 years and 9 months and 3 days old(not 2 days old) when it happened. So you say I have little to no memories of web 1.0. What about the late 1980s and Early 1990s born babies? Did they experience web 2.0 as a teen.And you shift me to Early Z. Come on I remember Yahoo and Web 1.0.Hey you say I am Early Gen Z without any Millennials' qualities. Okay but you can't deny those who were born in early mid 1996 would protect Late 1996 born babies period.When Pew defined Millennials,they would define using birthyears instead of Mid or Late born babies.
Well late 80s babies were 15-17 years old when Web 1.0 transitioned to Web 2.0,so yes I would say experienced Web 1.0 as teens. As for early 90s babies,they were 11-14 during transition,so I say experience as pre teens/early teens.The reason why I highlight the Web 1.0 and Web 2.0 transition so much becasue remembering a time before Web 2.0 is probably the second most important thing to being a millennial, with remembering 9/11 being the most important thing to be a millennial.Internet changed a lot with Web 2.0. The release of YouTube was a prime example of that change. Also,atleast in America anyway, people born in early/mid 1996 see themselves as quite different than people in late 1996,and rightly so, since people in early/mid 1996 were apart of the class for 2014,while those born in late 1996 were apart of the class of 2015.
 
Yes, I was a kid when it happened. I do not think that I remembered it. I used to end it on 31st December 1998. I still believe that Millennials are people who were born from 1981-1998. They would be 2-old grandma age. At the moment according to Pew or Media, they are still using 1981-1996 span for Millennials. That is right.They are mostly 5-20 years old.During 9/11,they were 4-20 years old according to pew when they defined Millennials
Interestingly, Pew had it ending at 1998 about 5 years ago, then it got changed to 1997 (Very random place to put it), then to 1996. They can't seem to make their minds up...

andrewyu2005 said:
Yes, I was a kid when it happened. I do not think that I remembered it.
Maybe it's because you lived in a tiny island nation at the time, far away from where the event took place. A 4-year old in the United States has a better chance of remembering it (Especially if they lived in/near NY or DC at the time) than someone that age who lived overseas.
 
Well late 80s babies were 15-17 years old when Web 1.0 transitioned to Web 2.0,so yes I would say experienced Web 1.0 as teens. As for early 90s babies,they were 11-14 during transition,so I say experience as pre teens/early teens.The reason why I highlight the Web 1.0 and Web 2.0 transition so much becasue remembering a time before Web 2.0 is probably the second most important thing to being a millennial, with remembering 9/11 being the most important thing to be a millennial.Internet changed a lot with Web 2.0. The release of YouTube was a prime example of that change. Also,atleast in America anyway, people born in early/mid 1996 see themselves as quite different than people in late 1996,and rightly so, since people in early/mid 1996 were apart of the class for 2014,while those born in late 1996 were apart of the class of 2015.

Either say something a bit nicer or don't say anything at all.
 
Interestingly, Pew had it ending at 1998 about 5 years ago, then it got changed to 1997 (Very random place to put it), then to 1996. They can't seem to make their minds up...

Maybe it's because you lived in a tiny island nation at the time, far away from where the event took place. A 4-year old in the United States has a better chance of remembering it (Especially if they lived in/near NY or DC at the time) than someone that age who lived overseas.
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Interestingly, Pew had it ending at 1998 about 5 years ago, then it got changed to 1997 (Very random place to put it), then to 1996. They can't seem to make their minds up...
Do you have a source for that? Because I seem to recall Pew defining the Millennial birthyears from 1981 to 1994 like how it is on this forum. So they extended the Millennial years by 2 to 1996, not moved down from 1998.
 
The way the generational cohorts are arranged on PerC correspond mostly to US events and cultural phenomena. France and England don't have a similar 9/11 attack because terror attacks in England and France didn't mobile the entire country to go to war. Those terror attacks were a result of their military intervention in Syria and Iraq for England and in western Africa for France. They're all terror attacks, of which you also left out the Nice France attacks, the Christmas Day attack in Germany and I believe Belgium as well as the Belgium Airport attack, the numerous acid attacks in England, and many more I'm not remembering off the top of my head. All terrorist attacks are tragic and terrible, but 9/11 had a sequence of calamitous effects on US political discourse and culture that I believe attacks on European countries have mostly seemed avoided.

So yes, generational cohorts on PerC are American focused because based on forum membership, that's where the focus should be on. You should also probably stop being so fixated on 9/11. And yes, generations in other countries will be different in ways due to differences in domestic news and cultural events. Make sense? :wink:
Also, @Willtip98 the worldwide definition of Millennial is kids old enough to remember the first year of the new millennium, which is the year 2000. Those are kids born from 1981-1996. Although I would say 1981 to 1994 is more accurate, but for the sake of congruence, I'll say 1996.

I think your fixation on 9/11 was preventing you from seeing that being old enough to remember the year 2000 is the true definition of a Millennial.

Also some small corrections and addendums: The 2007 London England attack was provoked by English military action in Iraq and Afghanistan, not Syria while the Paris France terror attack was in reaction to French military action in western and northern Africa. So both attacks were in response to their country's military actions in foreign nations.

So that's why they're not comparable to 9/11. 9/11 was an unprovoked terrorist attack on the United States, unlike the England and France terrorist attacks which were in response to their military expeditions in foreign countries.

Edit: Although I suppose you could say that the 2005 London bombing is in England's version 9/11, because their military were in Iraq and Afghanistan because the military alliance between the US and UK. The number of deaths are still incomparable though. The scope of terrorist attack of 9/11 was still much worse.
 
Interestingly, Pew had it ending at 1998 about 5 years ago, then it got changed to 1997 (Very random place to put it), then to 1996. They can't seem to make their minds up...

Maybe it's because you lived in a tiny island nation at the time, far away from where the event took place. A 4-year old in the United States has a better chance of remembering it (Especially if they lived in/near NY or DC at the time) than someone that age who lived overseas.
OK but one of my friend who is same age as me but older than me by 1 or 2 months remember 9/11.
 
@AnneM - Starts on page 4 with the conversation with MeltedSorbet. I'll PM you the rest since I don't want to spam the forum with mentions of you.
You don't? Want to spam the forum? With mentions of me? Why not? :wink:
 
Interestingly, Pew had it ending at 1998 about 5 years ago, then it got changed to 1997 (Very random place to put it), then to 1996. They can't seem to make their minds up...

Maybe it's because you lived in a tiny island nation at the time, far away from where the event took place. A 4-year old in the United States has a better chance of remembering it (Especially if they lived in/near NY or DC at the time) than someone that age who lived overseas.
I think its sad that many videos use Pew to define millennials. I mean they had it at 1997 until last year, and now I am the first of Gen Z. I mean next year, they will change it to 1996 as the start, and then 1995 the year after. They make the dumbest reasons.
 
Also, @Willtip98 the worldwide definition of Millennial is kids old enough to remember the first year of the new millennium, which is the year 2000. Those are kids born from 1981-1996. Although I would say 1981 to 1994 is more accurate, but for the sake of congruence, I'll say 1996.

I think your fixation on 9/11 was preventing you from seeing that being old enough to remember the year 2000 is the true definition of a Millennial.

Also some small corrections and addendums: The 2007 London England attack was provoked by English military action in Iraq and Afghanistan, not Syria while the Paris France terror attack was in reaction to French military action in western and northern Africa. So both attacks were in response to their country's military actions in foreign nations.

So that's why they're not comparable to 9/11. 9/11 was an unprovoked terrorist attack on the United States, unlike the England and France terrorist attacks which were in response to their military expeditions in foreign countries.

Edit: Although I suppose you could say that the 2005 London bombing is in England's version 9/11, because their military were in Iraq and Afghanistan because the military alliance between the US and UK. The number of deaths are still incomparable though. The scope of terrorist attack of 9/11 was still much worse.
Bro, I was born in 97, and the earliest year I remember experiencing was 1999. Just cause you cant remember anything before you were 4 doesnt mean others cant. Literally, both my parents and my older brother remember being two.
 
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