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Hi, I've narrowed things down to one of these types but I can't decide which one.

I can see myself as Si dom. I'm a huge foodie and I love looking at aesthetics. I worry about my health a lot and try to focus on it so I can feel good(both feeling relaxed and physically good). I'm sensitive to noise and temperatures and how my clothes feel and adjust accordingly. Comfort for me also means feeling safe and revisiting favorite shows/books/games to bring me a sense of nostalgia.

The thing is, I don't relate to Fe much. I don't really care about influencing the social atmosphere. I'm very private with my feelings and don't care much about generating enthusiasm. Fe ignoring I relate to a lot. I'm very focused on my internal state, I'm a very introspective person. I focus a lot on my relationships with others and am good at placing myself in other peoples shoes. I'm constantly evaluating my morals and what I believe is right. I found it interesting, I took that AIM test and Fi and Si were my highest functions while Fe was average. I know Fi is technically high but unvalued in SEIs, but yeah, Fe is not that relatable for me.

My best friends are Ne and Te doms, so I don't know what to do with type relations.

Alpha and Delta, I can see myself as both. For Alpha, I'm a big jokester, take pride in reading people well, showing affection through smalls gifts, and prefer to learn through experience rather than take advice. To elaborate a little more, I'm stubborn about advice and follow my own instincts most of the time. I like taking a personalized approach to things-like if I get something for someone I want it to genuinely suit them. For Delta, I relate to preferring groups that focus on a certain activity rather than just fun, not faring well in high pressure situations, rarely expressing my deep passions and liking to share personal experiences. I'm easily overwhelmed and I do have a lot of deep passions at heart, but yeah I'm generally private about them. I like talking about my experiences cause I like expressing myself. Even though they're both pretty relatable, if I had to lean one I'd choose Delta because I don't care much about positive emotional expression. The description of Alpha seems a bit happy go lucky for me.

Se Polr and Te Polr I relate to both. I wonder if it's because I am an enneagram 9, but I'm terrible with force. I'm sensitive to anger and I don't like being pushy and I deal with things a lot on my own and have trouble asking for help. I relate to Te Polr as I have trouble believing things that contradict my own experiences, have trouble digesting large amount of info, and I'm not that good at scheduling/organizing things.

So yeah. I might do a questionnaire at some point, but yeah, that's my confusion. Any ideas of which I could be?
 
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I like your avy, I recognize where its from :)
Already have a guess between SEI and EII.

First of all the conception of Fe is a little inaccurate. Fe isn't walking into a room and immediately manipulating the "atmosphere", and it's not about enforcing positivity. I know a lot of descriptions say this about Fe but they're simply wrong.

Let's start with a question, it is gonna be random but there's a reason I promise. What do you think about work? How do you find it and what type do you prefer?
 
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Wisteria said:
I like your avy, I recognize where its from :)
Already have a guess between SEI and EII.

First of all the conception of Fe is a little inaccurate. Fe isn't walking into a room and immediately manipulating the "atmosphere", and it's not about enforcing positivity. I know a lot of descriptions say this about Fe but they're simply wrong.

Let's start with a question, it is gonna be random but there's a reason I promise. What do you think about work? How do you find it and what type do you prefer?
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Work is something I don't mind doing. It definitely depends on the work of course, but work can be strangely relaxing. I like being useful and productive. I should work on my time management though. Work, I really like creative work, like I enjoy writing and I'm pretty artsy. I don't like group work much, I enjoy working by myself. I have mixed feelings about hands on work. I have some hands on stuff I enjoy doing, but I'm super uncoordinated.
 
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If you wonder about your Socionics type, here is an idea - you can try to figure out what your quadra is most likely to be, and your type will most probably be one of the types which belong to that quadra! :)
 
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MintCoffee said:
I can see myself as Si dom. I'm a huge foodie and I love looking at aesthetics. I worry about my health a lot and try to focus on it so I can feel good(both feeling relaxed and physically good). I'm sensitive to noise and temperatures and how my clothes feel and adjust accordingly. Comfort for me also means feeling safe and revisiting favorite shows/books/games to bring me a sense of nostalgia.
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This sounds like your Si is at least 2D (normative) and probably valued. If someone asked you for help with their clothing, would you be able to select clothing to suit others (aesthetically and in terms of comfort)? Would you have enough "bandwidth" with Si to care for the health of others? When it comes to aesthetics, you love looking at them (I do too lol), but how do you assess them and are you able to give confident subjective criticism of art, music, design, etc.? (e.g. tell what goes well together vs. what does not)

The thing is, I don't relate to Fe much. I don't really care about influencing the social atmosphere. I'm very private with my feelings and don't care much about generating enthusiasm. Fe ignoring I relate to a lot. I'm very focused on my internal state, I'm a very introspective person. I focus a lot on my relationships with others and am good at placing myself in other peoples shoes. I'm constantly evaluating my morals and what I believe is right. I found it interesting, I took that AIM test and Fi and Si were my highest functions while Fe was average. I know Fi is technically high but unvalued in SEIs, but yeah, Fe is not that relatable for me.
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Things that point to Fi > Fe valuation here are that you're private with your feelings rather than expressive; don't care about emotional atmosphere; constantly evaluating what you believe is right. Everything else just points to strong Ethics generally, and Introversion. However, I don't see anything here that points to Fe > Fi valuation.

Alpha and Delta, I can see myself as both. For Alpha, I'm a big jokester, take pride in reading people well, showing affection through smalls gifts, and prefer to learn through experience rather than take advice. To elaborate a little more, I'm stubborn about advice and follow my own instincts most of the time. I like taking a personalized approach to things-like if I get something for someone I want it to genuinely suit them. For Delta, I relate to preferring groups that focus on a certain activity rather than just fun, not faring well in high pressure situations, rarely expressing my deep passions and liking to share personal experiences. I'm easily overwhelmed and I do have a lot of deep passions at heart, but yeah I'm generally private about them. I like talking about my experiences cause I like expressing myself. Even though they're both pretty relatable, if I had to lean one I'd choose Delta because I don't care much about positive emotional expression. The description of Alpha seems a bit happy go lucky for me.
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Can you compare Beta and Gamma and give similar info about how/why you relate to each one?

Se Polr and Te Polr I relate to both. I wonder if it's because I am an enneagram 9, but I'm terrible with force. I'm sensitive to anger and I don't like being pushy and I deal with things a lot on my own and have trouble asking for help. I relate to Te Polr as I have trouble believing things that contradict my own experiences, have trouble digesting large amount of info, and I'm not that good at scheduling/organizing things.
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When you are faced with a large amount of new information, how do you approach it? If you were looking for others to help you process large amounts of new information, how would you decide who to ask and what kind of help would you be looking for?


MintCoffee said:
Work is something I don't mind doing. It definitely depends on the work of course, but work can be strangely relaxing. I like being useful and productive. I should work on my time management though. Work, I really like creative work, like I enjoy writing and I'm pretty artsy. I don't like group work much, I enjoy working by myself. I have mixed feelings about hands on work. I have some hands on stuff I enjoy doing, but I'm super uncoordinated.
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This sounds Te-valuing, but it's not enough to be sure yet. :)
 
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counterintuitive said:
This sounds like your Si is at least 2D (normative) and probably valued. If someone asked you for help with their clothing, would you be able to select clothing to suit others (aesthetically and in terms of comfort)? Would you have enough "bandwidth" with Si to care for the health of others? When it comes to aesthetics, you love looking at them (I do too lol), but how do you assess them and are you able to give confident subjective criticism of art, music, design, etc.? (e.g. tell what goes well together vs. what does not)



Things that point to Fi > Fe valuation here are that you're private with your feelings rather than expressive; don't care about emotional atmosphere; constantly evaluating what you believe is right. Everything else just points to strong Ethics generally, and Introversion. However, I don't see anything here that points to Fe > Fi valuation.



Can you compare Beta and Gamma and give similar info about how/why you relate to each one?



When you are faced with a large amount of new information, how do you approach it? If you were looking for others to help you process large amounts of new information, how would you decide who to ask and what kind of help would you be looking for?




This sounds Te-valuing, but it's not enough to be sure yet. :)
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1) Hmmm, I'm not sure I am. I feel awkward giving any advice lol. If I picked someone out for someone it'd be like this suits your personality or I'll see what colors go together. I think of colors based on theme, like pink and blue look good together to me cause they make think of cotton candy or peach and blue together cause they make me think of the ocean. Talking about fashion can be fun, but I don't really know how to match clothes for comfort or what would look good on someones' body. But yeah, that's how I know things go together well mostly, by themes(which can also be vintage or sporty). I'm not sure how good of a critic I'd be. If I'm looking through art and don't like it, I'll think something like, "It's too blocky", or, "It's too intense" or that the proportions are off. If I like it I'll say something like, "The snow looks relaxing", or, "It reminds me of...".

I'm not sure I'd be good at taking care of someones' health either. I've read a lot about nutrition/teas/herbs and I'm a junkie for medical shows but I don't know how to heal someones' wound or something and I have ideas but I wouldn't be confident taking care of a sick person. Maybe cause I've never really had to do it(take care of someones' health) but eh. I feel confident enough taking care of myself but not others.

2) Neither of them are very relatable, but let's see. For Beta, I relate to not thinking detailed work leads to success. Though I wouldn't say it's leadership either, more passion than anything. I'm not super competitive but I get competitive over things I'm passionate about. Also not liking to talk about personal matters in front of the group(though I may in private). Gamma is even less relatable, but loyalty means a lot to me and I'd say my emotional expression is pretty subdued(I don't like being boisterous).


3) I'd look at individual pieces of information to break it down, then I'd try to compare it to information I already know. If I were looking for an individual to help me, I'd go to someone I know that seemed passionate about the subject and can explain it concisely. Kind of help, I'd say like how the information works together if that makes sense.
 
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MintCoffee said:
Work is something I don't mind doing. It definitely depends on the work of course, but work can be strangely relaxing. I like being useful and productive. I should work on my time management though. Work, I really like creative work, like I enjoy writing and I'm pretty artsy. I don't like group work much, I enjoy working by myself. I have mixed feelings about hands on work. I have some hands on stuff I enjoy doing, but I'm super uncoordinated.
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Hmm I could see SEI / Te PoLR for this? I probably need more info but you're really vibing SEI to me, and for the record my Fi by cognitive functions definition is high too. Keep in mind SEI has Fi demonstrative so when you're in autopilot /lazy mode you're gonna primarily be Fi. When you work and put yourself into it however you're thinking about arts and aesthetics.
 
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MintCoffee said:
1) Hmmm, I'm not sure I am. I feel awkward giving any advice lol. If I picked someone out for someone it'd be like this suits your personality or I'll see what colors go together. I think of colors based on theme, like pink and blue look good together to me cause they make think of cotton candy or peach and blue together cause they make me think of the ocean. Talking about fashion can be fun, but I don't really know how to match clothes for comfort or what would look good on someones' body. But yeah, that's how I know things go together well mostly, by themes(which can also be vintage or sporty). I'm not sure how good of a critic I'd be. If I'm looking through art and don't like it, I'll think something like, "It's too blocky", or, "It's too intense" or that the proportions are off. If I like it I'll say something like, "The snow looks relaxing", or, "It reminds me of...".
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At first, this sounded like really strong Si (except for the bolded) and that you were being unnecessarily humble. But on re-reading, I think this is still only normative because you're using templates in the form of themes to match clothing/know what goes well together. On the other hand, you have created your own themes with the cotton candy and ocean thing. The latter part sounds like pretty good subjective criticism. Overall, I think this can pass for 4D but can easily still be 2D.

I'm not sure I'd be good at taking care of someones' health either. I've read a lot about nutrition/teas/herbs and I'm a junkie for medical shows but I don't know how to heal someones' wound or something and I have ideas but I wouldn't be confident taking care of a sick person. Maybe cause I've never really had to do it(take care of someones' health) but eh. I feel confident enough taking care of myself but not others.
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Oh yeah, I wasn't asking about medical care or something, sorry I wasn't clearer.

2) Neither of them are very relatable, but let's see. For Beta, I relate to not thinking detailed work leads to success. Though I wouldn't say it's leadership either, more passion than anything. I'm not super competitive but I get competitive over things I'm passionate about. Also not liking to talk about personal matters in front of the group(though I may in private). Gamma is even less relatable, but loyalty means a lot to me and I'd say my emotional expression is pretty subdued(I don't like being boisterous).
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Ok. Since you don't relate to either one much, we can set this aside. Sorry for asking you to do this.

3) I'd look at individual pieces of information to break it down, then I'd try to compare it to information I already know. If I were looking for an individual to help me, I'd go to someone I know that seemed passionate about the subject and can explain it concisely. Kind of help, I'd say like how the information works together if that makes sense.
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This is clearly Ti: looking at the parts/components of something, breaking it down. You seem to have enough awareness of this for Ti HA. EII might still do this as they have stronger Ti (Role) than Te (Suggestive). But the second part about looking for someone who can explain it conscisely, and wanting to know how the information works together-- this is clear Ti-seeking.


Few more questions... you don't have to answer all of them if you don't want to.

What do you do if you feel bored or stuck?

What would you do if you wanted to find new interests or hobbies? Do you do this easily?

Are you seeking help with organization, completing work, and productivity?

Are you seeking mental stimulation in the form of interesting ideas/discussions?


I see someone else mentioned ESI, so I'll say that I also considered ESI for you, but I think your Si is pretty clearly valued both in your initial post and subsequent responses.
 
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MintCoffee said:
Hmmmm, never really considered it before. What's the reasoning?
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Mostly it's a personal impression. You strike me as obviously EXI but not really EII, I don't see any Ne. I think the traits you attribute to Si could be more a mix of Fi and Se, being very particular in regards to what is important to you, though not having a clarity or continuity of internal perception as a Si dom would, your perception seemingly is focused more towards the momentary states of concrete sensory things. I don't see SEI at all and your experience with Fe confirms that in my mind. Overall you seem to prioritize aesthetics and concrete arrangements of physical things that give off a certain sensory impression, which is the norm for ESI. So I get that vibe.
 
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[...] Overall you seem to prioritize aesthetics and concrete arrangements of physical things that give off a certain sensory impression [...]
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This is MBTI Se, yes. But in Socionics, this is Si.

OP seems to value exactly what you said, which is consistent with a Judicious type.


ETA: Socionics Se is force, volition, impact, commanding. The exact opposite of both OP's vibe overall and what they have specifically described.
 
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counterintuitive said:
At first, this sounded like really strong Si (except for the bolded) and that you were being unnecessarily humble. But on re-reading, I think this is still only normative because you're using templates in the form of themes to match clothing/know what goes well together. On the other hand, you have created your own themes with the cotton candy and ocean thing. The latter part sounds like pretty good subjective criticism. Overall, I think this can pass for 4D but can easily still be 2D.



Oh yeah, I wasn't asking about medical care or something, sorry I wasn't clearer.



Ok. Since you don't relate to either one much, we can set this aside. Sorry for asking you to do this.



This is clearly Ti: looking at the parts/components of something, breaking it down. You seem to have enough awareness of this for Ti HA. EII might still do this as they have stronger Ti (Role) than Te (Suggestive). But the second part about looking for someone who can explain it conscisely, and wanting to know how the information works together-- this is clear Ti-seeking.


Few more questions... you don't have to answer all of them if you don't want to.

What do you do if you feel bored or stuck?

What would you do if you wanted to find new interests or hobbies? Do you do this easily?

Are you seeking help with organization, completing work, and productivity?

Are you seeking mental stimulation in the form of interesting ideas/discussions?


I see someone else mentioned ESI, so I'll say that I also considered ESI for you, but I think your Si is pretty clearly valued both in your initial post and subsequent responses.
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1) If I was bored/stuck, I'd try to do some art or gaming or something productive. Or I might get out more(like shopping or a restaurant or literally just go outside). Perhaps work on my skills. I'd try to find a new show or game to get into as well.

2) If I wanted to find new interests, I might read some recommendations online or ask a friend. I might try a class too, or observe what other people are up to or try something that I've seen before and looked cool but never got around trying. Or just pick something at random(like a show). This is hard for me cause I get addicted to stuff easy, but I like finding new interests. And it's not even just finding them, it's like I'll try to do something new but a lot of the time I get bored and don't finish it(like a drawing for example).

3) Kinda? I did in college, but like hmmm I know I'm disorganized but unless I really really need to be organized I can laugh at my disorganization. But it wouldn't be wrong to ask for help. I'm a procrastinator and I'm the ultimate multitasker(I need to bounce around things so I can concentrate) and I have trouble concentrating and I'm fairly messy and don't write stuff down.

4) I am. I enjoy talking about theories(like Socionics of course!) and science and watching theory videos and I like imagining what the future would be or asking questions like, "What if____ never happened?"
 
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I know this is an MBTI questionnaire, but figured it'd help

0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind

20, female, I have anxiety

1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.

Cute squirrel. Something I noticed is that there is a leaf behind his ear, which made me mistake it for a tall/shocked ear. I also noticed there were walnuts, and I was like, why is the squirrel eating walnuts instead of acorns? There is a look of concern in the squirrels eyes, and I liked the sheen on the cart.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/chienvert/49775274673/in/explore-2020-04-15/

2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

I'd be like, "Welp", and hope that someone can fix it(not me lol). I'd be a little annoyed that we're late cause it's my favorite musician, but I'd stay chill and pass the time by looking at my phone and admiring the scenery of this middle of nowhere place.

3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?


It'd depend on my mood. Cause it's like we're already on our way anyway, why not go? At the same time, I worry about the party being very loud and overwhelming. It could be interesting cause it's a concert party, but I'd make sure I'd have a friend to cling to if I go.

4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

Inward: Whaaaaat.
Outward: Hmmm, not a lot I'd say. I don't really want to argue so chances are I might not say anything. If it was something I'm really staunch about I'd play devils advocate, but they're my friends and I'd try to respect their beliefs mostly.

5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

Hmmm, this is pretty broad. If it was something that could hurt someone I'd try to do something about it, but if it's not hurting anyone and doesn't concern me then so be it. Plus, I think talking about things and experiencing them are different.

6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

A big value of mine is acceptance. Acceptance for me is trying to respect people of all backgrounds as well as being forgiving of others and keeping a go with the flow attitude with most things Others include individuality, being understanding, self improvement, and loyalty. Determining them, it's finding different backgrounds interesting and not wanting to lose my friendships and plus bad experiences making me want to be a good person. Some of it though, it just came to me somewhere in life and I've been following it since. They're gonna be hard to change, I'm stubborn like that.

7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

a) Hmmmm, I guess my sense of devotion and being patient and I'd say I'm pretty creative(like I like to stand out and be unique in everything I do).

b) Lol, just one? I'd say being more..down to earth? I'm not good at focusing things on things for long. I get sucked into my daydreams a lot and I am the queen of multitasking. I'd say it shows in my wishy washiness-I'm a person who's very unsure of themselves.

8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

I'm a very indecisive person, so I don't immediately go with my gut, but I do when I really can't decide on anything. I've had to train myself to go with my gut basically. There's a lot of situations, but if I had to pick one that stands out it would be with people(like I've gotten intense bad vibes frm people)

9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

Energize: Listening to my favorite music, feeling inspired, seeing new places, learning something really neat, looking at artwork, video and board games, eating good food, deep discussions

Drain: Boisterous conversation, doing intricate/repetitive work, most sports

10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?

Lol, a lot of stuff. I suppress my feelings a lot unless it's my friends because I don't like breaking down in front of people and I need time to process them. I've been described as a private person, and yeah, I just don't feel like talking about everything that's going on in life. My inner world is so rich that it's hard to talk about in a way. A lot of times I suppress my thoughts to keep the calm, and I like being independent so I don't share my problems much(same reasons for the feelings too).
 
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