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I'll go with MBTI/Jungian types being more tied in with a sense of identity.
I'm phasing out of interest in it, however. I do find big 5 is actually a better test, as it's not binary, and I always found the binary nature of MBTI to be rather absurd. I believe, to an extend, there are similar tendencies, but with big 5, you can more greatly analyze your personality traits.
It could be that big 5 is more studied in the modern psychological community; many studies have found correlations between big-5 traits and interpersonal relationships and other life approaches, whereas Jung came up the idea of cognitive functions at a time when psychology was little more than philosophy.
I do like Jungian personality. I listened to psychological types, particularly when it discussed the different cognitive functions and function types. I think a lot of it makes sense, but I also believe it's an incomplete picture of human cognitive thought processes and decision making. I believe that modern insights on neuroscience have, since the days of Jung, shed a great deal of light on how the brain works and how cognition takes place in individuals.
 
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Some really good answers here about why Big Five hasn't really caught on with either the general public or personality hobbyists.
  • Not a typology
  • Perceived 'judginess' (e.g. low extraversion seen as undesirable, whereas MBTI is neutral)
  • Lack of interplay between dimensions (how does neuroticism express itself in a person with high introversion and openness versus high introversion and low openness?)
  • Meant for academic psychologists, not the general public - lack of materials available
  • "Boring"
The online MBTI community has really coalesced around the 'cognitive functions', too, giving them far more importance than the original MBTI program did. Gifts Differing, for example, does not talk about inferior or tertiary functions, but you can't go for a walk in the online MBTI world without kicking a cognitive function fan. Not to mention the online expansion pack that has combined MBTI and Socionics.

The cognitive functions are obscure, poorly defined, and forer effect-y - which is precisely why they are the part of MBTI online devoters love. There is a ton of "theoretical wiggle-room" to justify, frankly, whatever you want. If Big Five lacks interplay between dimensions, cognitive function theory frankly has way too much. It's the over-dependence on cognitive functions and the fact that nobody could ever actually tell me what they were that led me to leave the MBTI community. Plus no empirical basis for the existence of the functions - at least MBTI tracks with four of the Big Five.

The cognitive functions also allow you to feel superior to the general public when they dismiss MBTI. "Ha! So uninformed. If only they knew that the theory was really about the cognitive functions as opposed to dichotomies!" One of the most common sentiments I've encountered online. It's similar to how astrology fans feel annoyed at people who only know about Sun Signs. "How can you judge astrology when you don't even consider your rising sign, which is far more influential on your personality? And your whole house? There are so many different systems of astrology too!" Both are unfalsifiable, as there is always an interpretation of the facts you can give to support whatever predetermined conclusion you've come to.

Finally, MBTI and astrology both give you a sense of identity. "I'm an INFP. I'm a Libra sun Taurus Rising." Easy to understand and unpack. You can go as shallow or as deep as you want into it. The Big Five does not package its dimensions so neatly, and it is much harder to form an identity around, I don't know, high conscientiousness. The pre-packaged identities that MBTI/astrology offer combined with the loosy-goosiness of the theories also make them very appealing to teenagers trying to find their way in the world. The previous MBTI forums I visited were overrun with teenagers! Teenagers trying to understand their parents, their friends, and above all, their potential lovers. So cringe to see a 15 year old try to give advice to a 16 year old that consisted of "he's an INTJ, so he's put off by Ne. Try to engage his Te!" I can't imagine Big Five being fun for teenagers to use as a lens to understand their crushes.

It's a shame that research on the Big Five hasn't really taken off in personality forums. Dichotomy-centric MBTI approaches track with the Big Five (I/N = extroversion, S/N = openness, J/P = loosely conscientiousness, T/F = loosely agreeableness), and Big Five research could very well inform existing MBTI analyses. I do think there is a lot you can talk about when it comes to the Big Five + MBTI. For one thing, the official MBTI test subdivides each dichotomy into 5 smaller aspects, so you could compare the subdivided Big Five dimensions with the MBTI subdimensions. There's a TON of Big Five research done by real academics as opposed to bloggers and grifters, and it could help people understand themselves and other people more. Unfortunately it's rather untrendy to say you're a fan of dichotomies both IRL and on MBTI forums. But perhaps in the future, personality hobbyists could look towards integrating Big Five and MBTI together, and we can have serious MBTI discussions beyond cognitive function.

It's also very funny when you talk to someone about MBTI and they say "that's just astrology for nerds. How can you fit people into just four categories? Big Five is much more scientific." and then you ask them for their Big Five results and you just... convert it to a pseudo MBTI. It's absolutely hilarious, and the fact that people will use these pre-made putdowns of MBTI without understanding how MBTI and the Big Five relate is chef's kiss.
 
My problem with OCEAN is how every time I see the results of a psychology paper drawing from the model, and it describes my own big five traits, it doesn't accurately describe who I am. This has been true about 10 times out of 10 for me so far. Psychology isn't a very accurate science anyway. There's massive room for subjectivity in psychology, and I think that's why the half life of knowledge of psychology is so brief. So I don't put much stock in OCEAN's claim to be the more scientific measure of personality, even if it's true.
 
Big Five is too scientific, which is actually a problem for marketing and popular reception. Narrative Economics points out that the wide-spreading narrative/story is often not the most accurate narrative.

**** Sapiens love mysterious, us-vs-them stories involving celebrities. MBTI is a bit mysterious, involves some occultism. Carl Jung was a famous alchemist and astrologer. MBTI tries to type historical and current celebrities. MBTI is also great for self identification, creating a our-type vs their-type narrative. Big Five unfortunately doesn't have so many factors which make a narrative popular.

For similar reasons, people prefer to accept exciting, us-vs-them and inaccurate narratives over boring, rational and accurate narratives, e.g. the narrative of bitcoin is more popular than the narrative of value investing and portfolio theory. But value investing yields higher risk-adjusted return in the long run...
 
Big Five is blunt and scientific. MBTI is covered in cream to make it all sweet. Notice how the descriptions focus on the good parts and the "weak points". The language used is so soft it feels like a lie. It's trying to sweet talk and sugarcoat everything. There are good point to it, but MBTI fails at pointing the bad about each personality. It's trying to be too inclusive that nobody actually respects it. You can see this in the discussions. They talk all day about how great this and that something about a personality is, but when it's something bad, they use the "well, everybody is different" card. Uh-uh. Yeah. Sure.

I actually like the big five and respect it for showing clear variances over time which you can track. You can quantify the improvement or lack of improvement clearly. I like that a lot. It feels like solid ground. If you're not a narcissist that is. If you suffer at the slightest indication of being bad at something then stick to MBTI strengths page to feed your ego.

PS: astrology don't real. You can believe it is real, but is it? While the sun and the moon can influence you somewhat, I doubt Polaris has any effect at that distance. Where Jupiter is at the start of the day doesn't mean much for you, unless you're an astronomer (a real science).
 
There is also one factor, unless you have advance knowledge on the Big Five, it does not tell you anything on your personality since factor is defined by the correlation scientific finds

it's not like the mbti which knowledge comes from the common sense
 
I took the big five test and read about myself after seeing a video of Jordan Peterson saying that companies would better benefit from using the Big 5 over the MBTI.

I agree that for the companies' purposes and goals, the Big 5 results act as a predictor of which individuals would fit the kinds of jobs that businesses need done today. It's more of a tool to show which individuals show promise in positions requiring more managerial capabilities than not.

But I see the MBTI as more of a tool for workers to use to better understand themselves and what kind of work would bring them the most satisfaction and why.

The MBTI was developed in a time when many people would be involved in the processes that lead to the manufacture of products. In the US, they need more people to act in managerial roles today since manufacturing has been shipped overseas.
 
They're not really comparable. Big 5 is appealing because it has the biggest thing MBTI lacks. It defines its terms.

The problem is that that's basically all it is. It's an effort to arrive at a vocabulary for talking about personality, so that everyone can mean the same things when they use these terms. MBTI has terms that mean something different to everyone that uses them, meaning that the things people communicate with it are often taken the wrong way.

But Big 5 is not a personality theory or system or anything. It's hardly related to MBTI at all. It's a necessary tool for people wanting to talk about personality in a scientific way, because you need to make sure to talk about the same thing.

I understand wanting to compare Big 5 and MBTI, but they're really incomparable. That's why statements about scientific validity of both kind of rub me the wrong way too. Big 5 is obviously scientifically valid (which does not mean that it's conclusions are automatically true of course, that's a different discussion), but it's not a theory.
On the other hand you could say that MBTI isn't concrete enough to be a theory and it's closer to a hypothesis, which is a valid thing to talk about.

To answer the actual question that was asked: I think the reason Big 5 isn't more popular with personality forums is that its terms don't line up well enough with the things that MBTI is talking about to use the terms consistently.
This might be a failing of MBTI to use the accepted terms or it might be a mismatch of the parts of personality that both talk about, I'm not sure yet. It's clear that personality is bigger than just the Big 5 and I could easily see a future where the Big 5 is expanded to a point where MBTI can actually use its terminology to explain what it's about.
Right now I don't think MBTI is ready to accept Big 5's terms yet though. We hardly understand what the theory and the cognitive function theory are really fundamentally about, so using the same terms for that is still a bit off.

I do wish that we could find a way to start using more scientific language to talk about MBTI though. It would help a lot in finding scientists who understand it well enough to do actual research on it.
 
They're not really comparable. Big 5 is appealing because it has the biggest thing MBTI lacks. It defines its terms.

The problem is that that's basically all it is. It's an effort to arrive at a vocabulary for talking about personality, so that everyone can mean the same things when they use these terms. MBTI has terms that mean something different to everyone that uses them, meaning that the things people communicate with it are often taken the wrong way.

But Big 5 is not a personality theory or system or anything. It's hardly related to MBTI at all. It's a necessary tool for people wanting to talk about personality in a scientific way, because you need to make sure to talk about the same thing.

I understand wanting to compare Big 5 and MBTI, but they're really incomparable. That's why statements about scientific validity of both kind of rub me the wrong way too. Big 5 is obviously scientifically valid (which does not mean that it's conclusions are automatically true of course, that's a different discussion), but it's not a theory.
On the other hand you could say that MBTI isn't concrete enough to be a theory and it's closer to a hypothesis, which is a valid thing to talk about.

To answer the actual question that was asked: I think the reason Big 5 isn't more popular with personality forums is that its terms don't line up well enough with the things that MBTI is talking about to use the terms consistently.
This might be a failing of MBTI to use the accepted terms or it might be a mismatch of the parts of personality that both talk about, I'm not sure yet. It's clear that personality is bigger than just the Big 5 and I could easily see a future where the Big 5 is expanded to a point where MBTI can actually use its terminology to explain what it's about.
Right now I don't think MBTI is ready to accept Big 5's terms yet though. We hardly understand what the theory and the cognitive function theory are really fundamentally about, so using the same terms for that is still a bit off.

I do wish that we could find a way to start using more scientific language to talk about MBTI though. It would help a lot in finding scientists who understand it well enough to do actual research on it.
Well the Big Five is based on the lexical hypothesis so I guess it is based on a theory.

Honestly I dont really think the MBTI is a scientific theory even. At least not in the way it is used nowadays. The MBTI is a model like theology was based on the Bible. The MBTI to me is a philosophy
 
Well the Big Five is based on the lexical hypothesis so I guess it is based on a theory.

Honestly I dont really think the MBTI is a scientific theory even. At least not in the way it is used nowadays. The MBTI is a model like theology was based on the Bible. The MBTI to me is a philosophy
MBTI was based on Carl Jung's archetype theory, which was in turn based on his interpretations of ancient European folk tales, oral traditions, occultism and dream lore. Therefore MBTI is not a scientific theory in the conventional sense, just like occultism, alchemy and theology are not science.

Big Five gives you the direction to work towards, e.g. you might want to improve your conscientiousness if your goal is to get great jobs and make a lot of money. You might want to improve your agreeableness and find a high agreeableness spouse if you want to have long, stable and happy marriage. Big Five acknowledges people change over time and encourage people to change in the good direction. MBTI is fatalistic as most MBTI theorists believe your type doesn't change. You're stuck with the socially awkward unorganised math-loving geek stereotype if you're INTP, sorry no change.

The MBTI theory doesn't even tell you how to be not socially awkward if you're INTP or INTJ. What's the point of restricting yourself to an unproductive occultist theory invented by some old European alchemist and American woman who never went to high school? Quite pointless indeed.
 
MBTI was based on Carl Jung's archetype theory, which was in turn based on his interpretations of ancient European folk tales, oral traditions, occultism and dream lore. Therefore MBTI is not a scientific theory in the conventional sense, just like occultism, alchemy and theology are not science.

Big Five gives you the direction to work towards, e.g. you might want to improve your conscientiousness if your goal is to get great jobs and make a lot of money. You might want to improve your agreeableness and find a high agreeableness spouse if you want to have long, stable and happy marriage. Big Five acknowledges people change over time and encourage people to change in the good direction. MBTI is fatalistic as most MBTI theorists believe your type doesn't change. You're stuck with the socially awkward unorganised math-loving geek stereotype if you're INTP, sorry no change.

The MBTI theory doesn't even tell you how to be not socially awkward if you're INTP or INTJ. What's the point of restricting yourself to an unproductive occultist theory invented by some old European alchemist and American woman who never went to high school? Quite pointless indeed.
I completely agree with you. I think I see the MBTI and the Big Five the same way as you. I even use the Big Five to work on my agreeableness

MBTI is archetypal it is about relativity. F is not T. Which is hard to do with the Big Five because percentile exist.

I use the MBTI to classify people philosophy and how they percieve the world actually whereas I use the Big Five to "type" people behavior. It gives much more possibility for them to grow and change
 
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They're not really comparable. Big 5 is appealing because it has the biggest thing MBTI lacks. It defines its terms.

The problem is that that's basically all it is. It's an effort to arrive at a vocabulary for talking about personality, so that everyone can mean the same things when they use these terms. MBTI has terms that mean something different to everyone that uses them, meaning that the things people communicate with it are often taken the wrong way.

But Big 5 is not a personality theory or system or anything. It's hardly related to MBTI at all. It's a necessary tool for people wanting to talk about personality in a scientific way, because you need to make sure to talk about the same thing.

I understand wanting to compare Big 5 and MBTI, but they're really incomparable. That's why statements about scientific validity of both kind of rub me the wrong way too. Big 5 is obviously scientifically valid (which does not mean that it's conclusions are automatically true of course, that's a different discussion), but it's not a theory.
On the other hand you could say that MBTI isn't concrete enough to be a theory and it's closer to a hypothesis, which is a valid thing to talk about.

To answer the actual question that was asked: I think the reason Big 5 isn't more popular with personality forums is that its terms don't line up well enough with the things that MBTI is talking about to use the terms consistently.
This might be a failing of MBTI to use the accepted terms or it might be a mismatch of the parts of personality that both talk about, I'm not sure yet. It's clear that personality is bigger than just the Big 5 and I could easily see a future where the Big 5 is expanded to a point where MBTI can actually use its terminology to explain what it's about.
Right now I don't think MBTI is ready to accept Big 5's terms yet though. We hardly understand what the theory and the cognitive function theory are really fundamentally about, so using the same terms for that is still a bit off.

I do wish that we could find a way to start using more scientific language to talk about MBTI though. It would help a lot in finding scientists who understand it well enough to do actual research on it.
I was not as favorably impressed by the Big 5 like I was when I first learned about MBTI. MBTI showed me things that were fun to learn about myself. it continues to interest me as I age. I am INFP as was the creator of the MBTI.

So I think that Jung's psychological types and the subsequent MBTI test are a good tool for understanding yourself.
As you grow and age, the MBTI preferences are likely to remain the same. It's highly unlikely that an introvert will change his colors all that much throughout his life. He will always prefer quiet time. And the extravert is likely to prefer interaction with the world around him over quiet time. The intuitive will always enjoy flashes of knowledge and understanding that seem to come out of nowhere. The sensor will always look at things as they are and prefer to deal with them in an order where one thing cannot precede another. The feeler will always have a subjective bent to his judgement while the thinker will be baffled as to how he can reason that way. Judgers will always make the decisions while perceivers will continue to study the matter and postpone any decision as long as possible.

But as Jung pointed out...people are 2 different people. The person you are in the quiet of your home and then the persona you portray in order to do business and interact with the world around you.

The Big 5 is a corporate tool for measuring the employability of individuals. Where they are likely to fit in.
The changes you make to yourself along the things measured by the Big 5 are changes to the persona you exhibit and not the self of your unconscious.
The Big 5 has a different purpose and was developed with that purpose in mind. It's a statistical analysis tool for analyzing you from a employer's perpective. So it is a better tool for business. (and MBTI "Thinkers, Sensors, and Judgers") ;)
 
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