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#21 ·
There are dozens of reasons why I love this film, and one of them was the massive INTP vibes I got from Hiccup. Ti Dominant summed it up pretty well ^^^
 
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#22 ·
I am bringing this up again because my avatar and quote in my signature clearly mean that I had rediscovered the utter awesomeness of this franchise. Has anyone here seen Riders/Defenders of Berk? Love it! It's almost as good as the movie.

Anyway, here are my thoughts on the types:

Hiccup: INFP (I don't really get the whole INTP argument. The kid spends the whole movie going along with his values and that extends to the TV show as well. He even takes mercy on Mildew at the end of RoB, which ends up completely messing up the entire village because now the Outcasts can train dragons. Plus in Heather Report, he's a total idiot, deciding to trust her without even knowing her and then very nearly losing the Dragon Book as a result. I cannot possibly imagine an INTP being that naive)

Astrid: ENTJ (her conversations with Hiccup make me think N rather than S)

Snotlout: ESTP

Fishlegs: ISFP

Ruffnut (the girl) and Tuffnut (the boy): ESTP (has anyone ever noticed that Ruffnut is just a tiny bit smarter than Tuffnut?)

Stoick: ISTJ

Gobber: ESFP (Random stories that tend to have little to no purpose, tendency to blurt out exciting news before Stoick has a chance to finish his sentence, extreme enthusiasm for everything to do with dragons even when they're trained, and acts awfully upset when he gets kicked off the saddle project in Viking For Hire)

Spitelout: ESTP (the character played by David Tennant; he's in the show more)

Riders/Defenders of Berk characters:

Mulch: ESFP

Bucket: ISFP

Mildew: ISTP

Alvin: ESTP

Dagur: ESTP (he's part of the reason I think Hiccup uses Fi. Have you seen any episodes with him? He's a big ball of Fe and Hiccup looks uncomfortable every time they're on screen together)

Heather: INTP (I get the Ti vibe from her most definitely)

Lots of SPs in this village. It would actually explain why Hiccup's group is so disorganized. And I bet most of you haven't seen the show but... did you see the HTTYD 2 trailer! Epic!!
 
#23 ·
OMG no, Stoick is an ISFJ. I realized this today. It makes PERFECT sense. The obsessive and even unhealthy clinging to tradition. The actual effort in connecting to Hiccup despite his inability to do so. The obvious guilt in disowning him and the decision that maybe he was right after all. The talks with Gobber where he vents his feelings about what he's going to do about the situation. OMG. I can't even... he's a brilliant example of an ISFJ guy that doesn't have to trade in his man card to be emotional. And his inability to communicate with Hiccup is a classic case of Fe vs. Fi and Ne vs. Si.

And now I love this movie even more.
 
#24 ·
I don't understand, how is Hiccup INTP?

I do like the idea of him being INTP, but I'm not seeing it. Throughout the film, Hiccups main focus involved protecting toothless and the other dragons. It was a MORAL drive. He was an idealist that wanted to break tradition, and fought for his cause. Therefore I am leaning more towards INFP.
 
#25 ·
I'm inclined to believe INFP as well. Hiccup may have great engineering skills, but he is rather guided by his feelings than logic or anything related. I can see him as an INFP 5w4 of some kind and it's not that rare for INFPs being 5s. He also has some Ne characteristics, but don't think he's an extravert.
 
#27 ·
Hiccup - INFJ. I get more Fe than Fi from him. He's very socially aware and wants to fit in, until he comes to terms with the fact that he doesn't actually want to fit in, that it's impossible for him to fit in, since it will mean going against his core values and who he is. I can see INTP too, though.
Stoick the Vast - ISTJ
Astrid - xSTJ
Snotlout - ESTP
Tuffnet - ESTP
Ruffnet - ESTP
Fishlegs - IxTP
 
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#28 ·
Hiccup lacks the "I just want to be me!" staple that identifies most Fi-doms. He certainly uses Fe -- he tries to fit in everywhere he goes, and not rock the boat too much. He never flat out stands up for himself like a Fi-Te user would. I could see INFJ, but I think INTP -- the way he improves on systems, is excited by new ideas, and uses Si for reference look INTP to me. (I thought INTP all the way to the end, when he established the facts of the situation -- Te thing to do -- but he was never really limited by the facts, so I swung back from INFP to INTP.)

My assessment is based on the movie alone -- haven't seen the series, nor even knew there was one.
 
#29 ·
angelcat said:
Hiccup lacks the "I just want to be me!" staple that identifies most Fi-doms. He certainly uses Fe -- he tries to fit in everywhere he goes, and not rock the boat too much. He never flat out stands up for himself like a Fi-Te user would. I could see INFJ, but I think INTP -- the way he improves on systems, is excited by new ideas, and uses Si for reference look INTP to me. (I thought INTP all the way to the end, when he established the facts of the situation -- Te thing to do -- but he was never really limited by the facts, so I swung back from INFP to INTP.)

My assessment is based on the movie alone -- haven't seen the series, nor even knew there was one.
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I think you guys have missed a crucial aspect about Hiccup in the movie; He's NOT an N. He doesn't enjoy the theoretical. He gets more enjoyment out of the discovery and the action involved in finding the discovery and making the gadget. To a core, Hiccup is an ISTP.

His whole manner of looking for Toothless was methodical, and discovering the truths about dragons was methodical. He was interested and entertained in making Toothless's tail. On the opposite end, he looked bored sitting in his room before his Dad came back. He just was sitting in the blacksmith room bored rolling a utensil up and down. Yet in the very last scene he caught on to flying toothless quickly and flew flawlessly without the cheat sheet. He also doesn't have the Ne momentum, where you go through a plethora of ideas. Instead, in the show he'd typically find out something, usually from sight, and act immediately off of that. The experience is essential to his enjoyment, and finding out how things work; He did this when he made his shield.

Tell me what you guys think of this. I just get a huge ISTP vibe off of him and How To Train Your Dragon 2 gave me further evidence that he is a solid ISTP.
 
#30 · (Edited)
(Sorry, I'm on a phone! Blegh! And I'm twelve; not a very good writer or explainer [that probably isn't a f***in' word]. ) I'm suuuuper INFP, but I also have a lot of traits from INFJ as well as INTP. Since these are just preferences, it makes sense that I flip through several MB types.

Anyways, Hiccup has the freaking T to the core. He has grown up in an environment where thinking is dominant (you can tell, though) and in order to survive, you gotta use the logikks. Doing all that building and mechanic-y stuff probably brings out alllll that T. He also has the good leadership aspects of an INFJ (cause their dedication when they find meaning in something, blah blah), and people really do look up to him.

All in all, I think Hiccup is an INTP cake iced with all the pretty INFP frosting. ;D


(WHO SAW HTTYD 2?! >:D))
 
#31 ·
Grimdark said:
(Sorry, I'm on a phone! Blegh! And I'm twelve; not a very good writer or explainer [that probably isn't a f***in' word]. ) I'm suuuuper INFP, but I also have a lot of traits from INFJ as well as INTP. Since these are just preferences, it makes sense that I flip through several MB types.

Anyways, Hiccup has the freaking T to the core. He has grown up in an environment where thinking is dominant (you can tell, though) and in order to survive, you gotta use the logikks. Doing all that building and mechanic-y stuff probably brings out alllll that T. He also has the good leadership aspects of an INFJ (cause their dedication when they find meaning in something, blah blah), and people really do look up to him.

All in all, I think Hiccup is an INTP cake iced with all the pretty INFP frosting. ;D


(WHO SAW HTTYD 2?! >:D))
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He certainly has his feeling moments, though this is normal even for T's. All T's have emotion whether they like the idea of it or not. Though, I don't understand where you get the N. You talked about his T tendencies, but nothing else. I think Hiccup is said to be an N mainly because people perceive N's to be 'brighter' and 'more intelligent.' That's not true though, for multiple reasons. The key to being N, has to do with drawing connections and preferring more theoretically based conversations. That's it in a nutshell, thought theres more to it. I don't see how Hiccup has any N traits. When you look at what I said before, he's more interested in the action of making these flying pieces and understanding how they work. This is ISTP out the wazoo; Wanting to find out how things work and doing so by participating in action to find out.
 
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I watched HTTYD 2. It was beautiful. I am all for Toothless being an ISFP. I love how even when Hiccup wants to just "talk it out" with the bad guys in the sequel, Toothless is all snarling and growling in the background like "no way am I trusting you, you just attacked us!".

I don't know Hiccup's type, but I will just say he seems like an enneagram 4. Not knowing who he is, wanting to find his place, being compassionate and seeing behind the surface of a dragon's scary exterior.

I could see Fe and Fi. Probably because many people add to his character when making the movie. I feel like Jay, the voice of Hiccup might be ENTP which is probably why Hiccup seems INTP in the movie. When I watch Jay's interview, you see that Fe warmth and bubbling Ne energy. He probably brought that into Hiccup, especially in his quirks and voice. But also Hiccup wanting to be a peacemaker and talk stuff out with the bad guys seemed Fe to me. And he approached his talk in a very Fe way, trying to win empathy and sympathy from the bad guys. I think Fi users would need to speak out through their Te thus their speeches to others would sound more blunt in some ways and not as inviting as Hiccup sounded. But then again...he didn't succeed...so maybe he isn't Fe after all.

Thinking back on it, he sometimes does get quite blunt, like in movie #1 where he is pleading with his dad "they killed lots of us, but we killed thousands of them!" making his dad more angry. I often get scolded for what I think is just saying the harsh truth. He even explained to his dad in a Te way that shutting down Berk was not gonna stop the bad guys. It was very straight forward logic. And he seems to make quick decisions based on that, like when he escaped Berk as it was being shut down. The way Hiccup acts on such decisions so quickly, reminds me of Te decisiveness/action-orientedness.

Sometimes he did stuff that my own Te would view as reckless though, so I wonder if that was due to Hiccup's Ti or just low Te. I see so many functions in him! lol. I see Fi when he has that special connection with animals and really follows his heart more than his head or what others say. I see Se when he is flying happily on the dragons (soaking in the scenery and loving the present moment) and being one with Toothless (totally relying on instinct and his observations of the environment to fly properly) and being a risk taker, jumping off Toothless without second thought. I see Ne/Ti in his innovation and gadget making (though I think Ni/Se can do this to an extent too).

I guess the filmakers wanted Hiccup to be an all around guy. Haha. He is like a hybrid!

-An Fi kind of heart and individuality, Fi values (especially in the 2nd movie).
-Fe value for harmony and peace, diplomacy and tact, reading feelings (especially Toothless's feelings)
-Te quick thinking and action oriented.
-Se love for thrills, animal instincts, and good eye with observations.
-An innovative Ne mind to help make gadgets and weapons.
-Si in that he learns from past mistakes and ends up echoing his parent's teachings.
-Ni ability to see unseen patterns and behavior.
-Ti innovative plans

But for sure he is really just one type because he felt so real and like a fully developed character. I just can't seem to put the pieces together at the moment.
 
#33 ·
Nevermind, I am starting to think Jay is an ENFP...

Does Ne also crave risk-taking kind of experiences? I feel like the Ne users I know are very good with roller coasters and sky jumping. lol. And I am sure that with lots of Si, one can be highly observant too. And the way he records everything, note taking, making maps...this could be an Si thing. And the way he remembered that dragons were not "fire-proof" when Toothless did this to the tiny dragon:


And so recreated the same thing with the Queen dragon at the end to destroy her. His Si remembered that this had happened before and he just used to his Ne to make the connection that he can re-do it again. So, he uses his past experiences (Si) to infer about the possibilities (Ne)...I dunno...

Maybe Hiccup is an ENFP too then... Even though he was kind of a loner in the first movie, that was due to all the villagers ostracizing him and maybe not due to him being an introvert. He seemed comfortable conversing with anybody when they gave him the chance. Maybe Hiccup is an extravert. Just a thought.
 
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#34 ·
Hiccup seems like an S rather than N. For example, he actually enjoyed building the other half of his dragon's tail. That does not seem INTP at all. My opinion is that he's an ISTP.

On a side note, S or N reminds me of S or M. Whenever it's said that someone is an S not N or the reverse I think of that...
 
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#35 ·
ISTP seams reasonable, and so does INTP, but he is very fixed into dragons, so if he was an INTP, him building and finishing the tail would have been fun for him. its his hobby. So its not surprising to me that he finished that project, and others. Plus, wanting to talk to his enemies instead of fighting, very INTP, In my opinion.
 
#36 ·
ENFP. Hiccup is an ENFP. There is absolutely no way he could be anything else in my eyes.

I CAN DEFEND THIS AND HAVE BEFORE.

Let's take a look at the flight suit:
That is a Ne-suit if I ever saw one. The guy keeps everything he needs on him at all times and has found creative ways to build on it (probably sometime within the last 2 years). In addition to that, he use it to FLY on his own. I always sort of thought his mindset on that was "Well I can fly on a dragon... I wonder what that's like... ooh I bet I could make something like that!" *locks himself away in the forge for days*

ENFPs are known for trying to verbally persuade people to see things our way. Hiccup spends most of HTTYD 2 under the assumption that he can change Drago's mind. Of course he can't. Everyone around him can see that. Everyone around him keeps telling him that. Does he listen? Nope. He's got to find out the hard way. He's so convinced he can get around Drago's mindset without endangering anyone. Of course he can't but it takes until SOMETHING HAPPENS to make him realize "oh, dad was right... how I see how he was right." I see this is screwed up Ne, like this "what if I CAN change Drago's mind? I need to try! Let me try and spread my wings and show him how amazing dragons are!! What do you mean I can't? OF COURSE I CAN!" sort of thought process. My mom is an ISFJ and we have fights like this all the time. Also, Hiccup seems to kind of know what's going to happen before it does. There's a moment in the TV show when he and Stoick are tied up and Stoick asks if he has a plan. Hiccup does and the plan is pretty intricate, actually. But he's considered all the things that could go wrong so he's very sure that it's going to work. However, when these plans involve other people and especially feelings, he screws up.

Fi shows up a lot in this as well. There's the fact that Hiccup has these very specific, set values that you do NOT tamper with. Ever. He's usually quite patient, peaceful, nice... and then screw with Toothless or someone he loves and you're in for it. This is a trait my ENFP friend and I share. But really, he even follows his own values, one of which is "give everyone the benefit of the doubt" which is what makes him so stupid in both the movie and the TV show. In fact, this value is CONSTANTLY being proven wrong (Torch, Heather, Drago) but he still sticks with it because on occasion, it has been the best approach (Heather once he knew her predicament, Eret, and obviously Toothless). Another big value of his is forgiveness. Considering what he watches his best friend do while under the Alpha's influence, the fact that he's so quick to forgive is indicative of this being a very important value to him. Not to mention the fact that he forgives his mother almost immediately after she left him and Stoick for TWENTY YEARS. Now this also goes under the "give everyone the benefit of the doubt" value, of course.

Te... did you see how much rambling he did in both movies? Always thinking out loud, even when he gave himself the wrong conclusion.

INFERIOR Si IS OBVIOUS. Hiccup almost never learns from his mistakes. He is constantly forgetting how badly things turned out and how that probably made him feel (which was, most likely, like an idiot).

I posted on tumblr about this before the movie came out so here's that post:

He is!! And I will prove it!!
The kid practically explodes with Ne all the time, evidenced by his bizarre plans that somehow work (and his ability to change them in a split second), his creativity with inventions and drawings, and just the way he talks, you know, often coming up with possibilities and new ideas. His conversations with his father (ISFJ) are basically Ne-Fi vs. Si-Fe and it’s completely obvious. The reason I think Ne is the primary function is because he’s constantly trying to show off his inventions and how raw and Viking he is even when he completely fails at it. Just about every ENFP in existence has gone through the “fit in at all costs” phase and How to Train Your Dragon opens with Hiccup right in the middle of it. That’s the driving force, why I don’t think he’s an introvert. He’s just got so much drive to prove himself and most introverts don’t care as much about that. He’d be more silently suffering as an INFP, probably retreat into himself. Instead he develops this snarky sarcasm and STILL tries to fit in even though his efforts fail. Not to mention all the unconventional things he does in dragon training that ends up getting him in the kill ring to begin with. There’s also the fact that the other Vikings are sort of like “we kill dragons because they are bad” and Hiccup is the only one to question why. It’s a classic example of Ne in a Si and Se dominated environment. Ne is dominant!
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Which brings me to Fi, the secondary function. This is probably the most obvious. His inability to kill Toothless isn’t some kind of Fe-moment (evidenced by the line “I looked at him and saw myself”). It’s just this… inner feeling. Hard to explain but by killing Toothless, he’d be violating a value he holds dear and that just… isn’t something he can do. You ever try to tell a Fi-dom to violate a value? Didn’t think so. I think the value that he’s got, the driving force behind his friendship and his refusal to kill Toothless in the first place is that by doing so, he’d basically be doing what others have done to him. No one will give him a chance or even a second look. And something about Toothless reminds him of himself. This value also leads him to observe Toothless (and the way he does that is rather Ne as well). He eventually befriends him and his actions for the rest of the movie are pure Fi. A Fi-dom or Fi-aux will do ANYTHING for their loved ones and Hiccup’s behavior constantly proves this. He sticks to his conventions until the very end, even when his father disowns him. That’s textbook Fi.
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Te is also pretty obvious. Hiccup has a tendency, both in the movie and TV show, to think out loud. That’s very common in ENFPs. Often when he has an emotional outburst, especially an angry one, he rants a bit and kind of gets it all out of his system. That happens more on the TV show, to be fair, but it’s still a facet of his personality. A common problem for ENFPs concerning Te is the tendency to jump to the wrong conclusion and then react the wrong way. Hiccup does this frequently in the TV show (expelling Snotlout, excluding Fishlegs). He also jumps to the wrong conclusion about his father all the time. Though I’d say the biggest Te-failing would be concerning Heather. He wants to trust her so he does (this is actually a good explanation of his good Fi-related intentions gone wrong). This is a stupid conclusion. But it’s one to which he immediately clings. Yeah this one is a little harder to explain but in watching the movie, you can definitely see Te manifest itself if you’re looking for it.
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Si is, obviously, the weakest function for Hiccup (which just happens to be Stoick’s strongest function). I’m not as familiar with this function so I can’t really go into a whole lot of detail but I do see Si failings once in a while. I do think the fact that he’s a pretty good inventor brings out a bit of Si; the concrete knowledge he’d need to make his Ne-inspired inventions work would probably require his sensing function. Though there is the fact that the poor kid is a huge klutz. Intuitives tend to be clumsier than sensors because they’re constantly inside their own heads and then don’t notice things before tripping over them or, as in this gif, being smacked in the face by them.
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In conclusion, I’m not sure why people label Hiccup as an INTP (though I do see a decent argument for INFP). Just because he’s not your typical ENFP (like Rapunzel from Tangled, for example) doesn’t mean he isn’t one to begin with. Functionally, it makes the most sense. As an ENFP myself, I can easily predict how he’s going to react, what he’s going to do, and any mistakes he’ll likely make along the way. I don’t see many male ENFPs in the media but the more I think about it, the more sense it makes. Hiccup is an ENFP.

A bit wordy perhaps but there's a reason my HTTYD fanfics have some people obsessively reading them. Out-of-character moments are rare and when they happen, they're often intentional. I give Hiccup a lot of thought as to how he's going to react to a given situation before I write it.

Guys, I have seen both movies (in 3D and I'm going to see the second one again in IMAX pretty soon), every short, and every episode of the TV show (most of them multiple times). HTTYD is my favorite movie. Hiccup is an ENFP. Yes, he's a fictional character so he's going to occasionally act like other types. I'm not saying he doesn't have his INTP or INFP moments. But at the core, he's an ENFP plain and simple. ENFP 6w5, to be precise.

I'll type all the new characters when I see the movie again (hopefully next week, depends on my even-more-obsessed-with-dragons-than-me sister). I'm not sure Drago can be typed, though. He's very dull. I'm thinking ESTP for Eret. Maybe INFP for Valka? Not completely sure. Like I said, need to see this again.
 
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I disagree heavily with this typing. After much thought I think Hiccup is an INFP. Hiccup is NOT extroverted. Your looking WAAAAY too much at the functions and not enough at the extroversion vs introversion scale. Most of your argument for E comes down to a stronger Ne than Fi. Then your basis to which he isn't an INFP is grounded on an INFP would just retreat in themselves. This is a highly misguided view of INFPs. We do not give up on the world that easily and in fact we're quite opposed to the idea. INFPs have deep core values that they wish to hold and even when reality doesn't meet up to them, we still try to do it. One of those core values which is true for nearly every INFP is the need of approval. The same runs true for ENFPs.

When you look at it Hiccup in all the movies and TV episodes, he is shy, private, and keeps to himself. The only person he talks to that much is Toothless and even then, he does a lot, A LOT of self talk. An extrovert is not someone who does this;They're much more expressive, they don't have introverted awkwardness (Which Hiccup has in loads) Introverts are usually awkward with most of their communication. In the second movie the only person that Hiccup truly talks to very causally without stress is Astrid. Considering Astrid picks up Hiccups emotions rather well and the two of them are in a relationship, this makes complete sense.

I'm sorry but ENFP seems just off. INFP seems more accurate based on his way of interacting with the world. Clear Introversion. We agree on Intuitive, Feeling, and Perceiving.
 
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EquestrianHistorian said:
I disagree heavily with this typing. After much thought I think Hiccup is an INFP. Hiccup is NOT extroverted. Your looking WAAAAY too much at the functions and not enough at the extroversion vs introversion scale. Most of your argument for E comes down to a stronger Ne than Fi. Then your basis to which he isn't an INFP is grounded on an INFP would just retreat in themselves. This is a highly misguided view of INFPs. We do not give up on the world that easily and in fact we're quite opposed to the idea. INFPs have deep core values that they wish to hold and even when reality doesn't meet up to them, we still try to do it. One of those core values which is true for nearly every INFP is the need of approval. The same runs true for ENFPs.

When you look at it Hiccup in all the movies and TV episodes, he is shy, private, and keeps to himself. The only person he talks to that much is Toothless and even then, he does a lot, A LOT of self talk. An extrovert is not someone who does this;They're much more expressive, they don't have introverted awkwardness (Which Hiccup has in loads) Introverts are usually awkward with most of their communication. In the second movie the only person that Hiccup truly talks to very causally without stress is Astrid. Considering Astrid picks up Hiccups emotions rather well and the two of them are in a relationship, this makes complete sense.

I'm sorry but ENFP seems just off. INFP seems more accurate based on his way of interacting with the world. Clear Introversion. We agree on Intuitive, Feeling, and Perceiving.
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I did once tell my sister that he displays a lot of both at times. So yeah, he has his moments. But I'm not so sure about that. My sis actually is an INFP and she told me she sees more of the E in him. He has no problems going up to someone to talk to them and seems to relish every decent conversation he gets, even if it's with his dragon. I always saw him in the movie as a constantly drained extrovert seeing as that would actually explain a lot of his actions. Always trying to fit in, always trying to be the best so people will notice him, so people will actually WANT to talk to him. Then he finds Toothless and his energy is restored. He's almost a completely different person. And of course he's going to spend every waking moment with the one giving him the energy (and extroverts aren't always energized by people, sometimes they're energized by simply something new and Toothless definitely fits that). In addition to that, ENFPs need a LOT of alone time. And having Toothless around and all these new places to explore and ideas to invent keeps him happy. And he's just not happy at the beginning because he doesn't have any of that.

That being said, yeah, Hiccup is an NFP for sure but you're right, he does fluctuate depending on the writer because good arguments can be made for both and they both make loads of sense. In the movie, he comes off as more of an ENFP than the show for sure, especially when you look at his actions with his mom. He's sort of in this state of "YAY PERSON WHO LOVES DRAGONS AS MUCH AS ME OMG WHAT IF I BROUGHT YOU BACK TO BERK THAN EVERYTHING WOULD BE AWESOME AND LOOK WHAT I CAN DO, MOM!!"
 
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KateMarie999 said:
I did once tell my sister that he displays a lot of both at times. So yeah, he has his moments. But I'm not so sure about that. My sis actually is an INFP and she told me she sees more of the E in him. He has no problems going up to someone to talk to them and seems to relish every decent conversation he gets, even if it's with his dragon. I always saw him in the movie as a constantly drained extrovert seeing as that would actually explain a lot of his actions. Always trying to fit in, always trying to be the best so people will notice him, so people will actually WANT to talk to him. Then he finds Toothless and his energy is restored. He's almost a completely different person. And of course he's going to spend every waking moment with the one giving him the energy (and extroverts aren't always energized by people, sometimes they're energized by simply something new and Toothless definitely fits that). In addition to that, ENFPs need a LOT of alone time. And having Toothless around and all these new places to explore and ideas to invent keeps him happy. And he's just not happy at the beginning because he doesn't have any of that.

That being said, yeah, Hiccup is an NFP for sure but you're right, he does fluctuate depending on the writer because good arguments can be made for both and they both make loads of sense. In the movie, he comes off as more of an ENFP than the show for sure, especially when you look at his actions with his mom. He's sort of in this state of "YAY PERSON WHO LOVES DRAGONS AS MUCH AS ME OMG WHAT IF I BROUGHT YOU BACK TO BERK THAN EVERYTHING WOULD BE AWESOME AND LOOK WHAT I CAN DO, MOM!!"
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What makes it hard to see ENFP is that there's an enthusiastic behavior to them. You're even showing that enthusiastic nature in your quote of Hiccup "YAY PERSON WHO LOVES DRAGONS AS MUCH AS ME. OMG WHAT IF I BROUGHT YOU BACK TO BERK THAN EVERYTHING WOULD BE AWESOME AND LOOK WHAT I CAN DO MOM." You made it all caps, something that shows enthusiasm with writing, yet Hiccup was way quieter with it and more shy. At multiple points in the movie he just wouldn't hardly speak and gave a "that.. sounds amazing." There's this introverted awkwardness to him and moments like that, or moments where he gets talked over by his Dad are clear things an INFP would do. An ENFP doesn't have this introverted awkwardness to them.

Then in your quote you used wording which just doesn't sound like Hiccup at all. Phrases like "YAY PERSON" and "OMG" and "LOOK WHAT I CAN DO MOM" don't seem like Hiccup. He at one point in the movie said, "Well, its quite hard to take in to be frank. To learn that my mom is some crazy feral dragon vigilante." And ENFP wouldn't be that quiet about it.

ENFPs tend to use their N powers to add talking points and ideas to conversations. Their interaction style is the 'Get Things Going' type. According to Bestfittype.com, for 'Get things Going' "The theme is persuading and involving others. They thrive in facilitator or catalyst roles and aim to inspire others to move to action, facilitating the process. Their focus is on interaction, often with an expressive style. They Get-Things-Going™ with upbeat energy, enthusiasm, or excitement, which can be contagious. Exploring options and possibilities, making preparations, discovering new ideas, and sharing insights are all ways they get people moving along. They want decisions to be participative and enthusiastic, with everyone involved and engaged."

INFPs on the other hand use their N powers more for taking in situations and sizing up whats going on and more often, what might happen. The key is they tend not to show it. With INFPs its a lot easier to see signs that they have Ne than actually seeing it in full day light. This all goes down to the INFP's interaction style which is the 'Behind the Scenes' interaction style. According to Bestfittype.com for 'Behind the Scenes' "The theme is getting the best result possible. People of this style focus on understanding and working with the process to create a positive outcome. They see value in many contributions and consult outside inputs to make an informed decision. They aim to integrate various information sources and accommodate differing points of view. They approach others with a quiet, calm style that may not show their strong convictions. Producing, sustaining, defining, and clarifying are all ways they support a group's process. They typically have more patience than most with the time it takes to gain support through consensus for a project or to refine the result."

Hiccup definitely has that calm style to him. INTPs have the same. The thing about Hiccup is that he uses that Ne to take in his surroundings and draw conclusions based on it. Its not about adding more ideas to the outside idea table. So, for me there's a much harder debate. Is he INTP or INFP? As someone who has thought he was INTP what makes it difficult is that its debatable if what he has is Ti or Fi. Both functions have an idealism to them, but Ti is internal processing 'Blank was said, but blank, blank, and blank all say something else' whereas Fi is more like Aura Reading 'I sensed blank tone and manner about this, this must be what it is." Its for this reason that TPs, those with Ti tend to be better with machines and objects because logic is at the for ground. FPs in contrast are better working with people because the pick up on emotion, something machines just aren't capable of. Hiccup has shown to do both things, and in truth every human has both. It all comes down to which one is natural, which one is just the automatic setting so to speak. Hiccups automatic setting is Fi, because he has all the INFP behaviors and lacks crucial INTP behaviors. He has extreme dislike of conflict, criticism, a strong need to receive praise and positive affirmation, and has the tendency to blame themselves. He blames himself about things an INTP wouldn't care about as much, approval, acceptance, and morality. Morality is a maybe for INTP's, but they tend to blame themselves more for logical fallacies and problems they cause. One last thing. We tend to develop the later functions as we grow up. Hiccup's first thing which he was very harsh about was acceptance and once he achieved it, he had the peace of mind to concentrate on the what if and possibilities in HWTTYD 2. He still had baggage, which was still deeply troubling and it seemed to be at the center in the 2nd movie. Just this time around he had an Ne shell around him, whereas in the 1st movie he really wasn't disguising is Fi at all.
 
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Sorry about the long prompt with a somewhat lacking focus. I just want to say for the record that this is what I think, and your free to think what you want. I reacted emotionally last night to your ENFP post, and that wasn't right. We each perceive the same media differently, which makes MBTI work in media very subjective. Real life is a lot easier to do it, because you have a much more open stage to analyze. A typologist can spend as much time with his or her client as they need to ensure the most accurate result. You can't do that in movies though.
 
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