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I'm wondering how do ENTPs generally cope with lots of stress and avoid slipping into Ne escapism. One ENTP I know is currently going through a divorce. His wife has abruptly left him end of May, took the baby and served him with the papers. While he is making it sound like he is coping fine I have reasons to believe otherwise. He has had problems in past with alcohol and computer games. I've talked to him recently. Conversation touched his work and some things just didn't click together. I am suspecting he might be taking it to the next level now and skipping his work in favor of getting lost in his addictions.

So how do ENTPs generally handle stress and what is the best way to kick one out of this dream state? Most of advice I can give him is biased with how INFJs cope, and I suspect we cope quite differently, so what kind of advice can I give him?
 
Not really possible to answer this without kwing a lot more, which is not going to happen.

I think that the most difficult thing for an ENTP is being unable to find an explanation for something, and then the inability to move on that explanation towards finding a solution to the problem.

So this might be very difficult, if he has no idea why she has left, as he will be imagining 100 scenarios, all with different potential responses attached, or he might know very well what the problem is but be unable to solve it.

Either way, it would probably help to remind him that losing his job and drinking too heavily might result in his losing contact with his child and the ex-wife making a huge profit at his expense.

That said, I would cut the poor guy some slack: getting blitzed of an evening occasionally and doing other stuff to take your mind off a tough situation is probably not unexpected in a diffciult situation like this. As long as he has boundaries around it which do not result in him losing everything and is aware of that then all you have to do is be there, and be accepting.
 
I'm wondering how do ENTPs generally cope with lots of stress and avoid slipping into Ne escapism. One ENTP I know is currently going through a divorce. His wife has abruptly left him end of May, took the baby and served him with the papers. While he is making it sound like he is coping fine I have reasons to believe otherwise. He has had problems in past with alcohol and computer games. I've talked to him recently. Conversation touched his work and some things just didn't click together. I am suspecting he might be taking it to the next level now and skipping his work in favor of getting lost in his addictions.

So how do ENTPs generally handle stress and what is the best way to kick one out of this dream state? Most of advice I can give him is biased with how INFJs cope, and I suspect we cope quite differently, so what kind of advice can I give him?
I can relate. Weekend after weekend alcohol motivates me to wake up another day. It's how we cope. You people break down and cry, but we don't. We burry that deep within us, drowning it in alcohol and distractions. It goes away with time.

Allthough we never truly forget. Just tell his wife not to visit with the kid.

They may just get a bullet in the head if they do. ENTP's sometimes have...flashbacks. This is when all emotions rush in and actions don't get revised for their potential destructive or immoral reprocussions.

Hence...

Tell her not to visit with the baby.

She can visit on her own though. I'm sure he won't mind.
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He has had problems in past with alcohol and computer games
That was really funny to me.

If he says he's fine he doesn't want your help. Do you have any physical evidence that he's "giving in to his addictions"? I say just let him process it on his own and just be normal around him.

Now that he's divorced he's also available again, eh? Now I see your plan ;)
 
The ENTP death spiral can be almost impossible to stop, only the intervention of a respected INTJ or ENTJ can be of any real use.

Otherwise the ENTP will alienate everyone around him until he's a solitary shell of a pathetic human being.

Yes, I have observed it firsthand.
 
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That said, I would cut the poor guy some slack: getting blitzed of an evening occasionally and doing other stuff to take your mind off a tough situation is probably not unexpected in a diffciult situation like this.
That's a good point. I'm probably just getting too worried too fast. I'll wait to see how he is doing by end of summer before I'll think about making any comments.

Allthough we never truly forget. Just tell his wife not to visit with the kid.
Something about word "divorce" tells me that the wife was the main problem for him, not the kid :)

Now that he's divorced he's also available again, eh? Now I see your plan ;)
why, I would never hide my ebil plans, no use doing so in this forum anyhow xD

The ENTP death spiral can be almost impossible to stop, only the intervention of a respected INTJ or ENTJ can be of any real use.
Otherwise the ENTP will alienate everyone around him until he's a solitary shell of a pathetic human being.
Yes, I have observed it firsthand.
That's so horrible and sad though :( ... and yes I've seen ENTJs knock some sense of direction into ENTPs but he ain't got any those for friends. In fact it doesn't sound like he has many friends at all ...
 
The ENTP death spiral can be almost impossible to stop, only the intervention of a respected INTJ or ENTJ can be of any real use.

Otherwise the ENTP will alienate everyone around him until he's a solitary shell of a pathetic human being.

Yes, I have observed it firsthand.
Sometimes people have to hit rock bottom to lift their gaze upward and take a new breath of air....
 
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Sometimes people have to hit rock bottom to lift their gaze upward and take a new breath of air....
Essentially yes.

But a close INTJ and ENTJ can help.
When Ne runs away concrete solutions literally are impossible to reach, an INTJ or ENTJ can work with the ENTP to keep them on track.
 
Well, I have been down this path myself. I have written about my experiences in other threads, but essentially my wife since 15 yrs went through some form of mental breakdown/psychosis starting with the birth of our child (difficult concession). Took about six years to reach full breakdown at which point she had gotten an apartment behind my back. During this time I tried REAL hard to come up with solutions and such, but to no avail. It stressed me to no end. Finally my body took no more and one night I woke up in a patch of urine and feccalia and noticed that my body wouldnt obey me anymore. Mentally I was like a fast charging but old battery. I charged up fast but could not contain much energy. All energy was spent on this endeavor, to "fix" her and the relationship.

Well, finally I had to let her go to save myself and the kid. This was horribly stressing ( also having to give up on "project family"). During this time I periodically played computer games to gain energy. I t was like meditation. But when too much time had passed playing I felt sick with myself for not doing anything that could actually lead to something useful and quit it. Us ENTPs obsess at times....

I had friends calling to offer me dinner and stuff, but just after the final disaster I just wanted to "purge" myself through this; As someone stated I had to go through all possibilties and options; What happened, what could go wrong after all I ahd done and such.... Also some self doubt and introspection ; needed I reform my thinking models?

Well, it has been about a year, and I now feel rather ok again. But even less prone to trust people intimately. My friends and family also have said that I seem to feel better now. I have my son every other week too. My (INFJ) wife? Well, she broke down completely after the separation and is now so regretful that it hurts me to see her.... in spite of all she has done.

So, coping with stress. Alfreda has many good points in her post. Physical training also effects the mood positively. Take him out walking and talking (if he wants to). Let him indulge himself in any other interest that will let him focus positively. It is the negative thought-grinding that must be stopped to reverse the process. But he must want to himself, be "ready".

The thing is that we ENTPs have a healthy base optimism that will keep him safe. Sometimes you just have to push through, to fathom that the foundations you built your life upon are no more. To "lose" and cope with it. There are no winners in a separation.

I also think that most of this advice is general for many types, but an ISTJ would perhaps be more broken since the family is indistinguishable from his life mission.

This was quite a rant. Sorry for that, just willing to help, but hard to express it....
 
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A close relationship with someone who reminds him that this is just another chapter in life. My second divorce was almost fun in a "war is hell" kinda way. I can thank my close female friends for that.
 
Essentially yes.

But a close INTJ and ENTJ can help.
When Ne runs away concrete solutions literally are impossible to reach, an INTJ or ENTJ can work with the ENTP to keep them on track.
Well my brother is a ENTJ. In which way do you say this type would be helpful? His bluntness? His rigidity in always knowing what is right for all? :)
No, seriously, why just these types? I also have a close INTJ friend. They are colder and more "ego" than me...

Curious...
 
Well my brother is a ENTJ. In which way do you say this type would be helpful? His bluntness? His rigidity in always knowing what is right for all? :)
No, seriously, why just these types? I also have a close INTJ friend. They are colder and more "ego" than me...

Curious...
They know what you're going through but have the ability to halt the intuition train and get off so to speak, they are the two types that you can share your problems with that can both see the issues from perpective (or rather close to) and help you make solid decisions.

You tell them everything and work with them and they can guide you, assuming you've not walled yourself and are willing to accept the help.

All other types may offer support but won't see anything but rampant laziness, procrastination and dilly dallying.
 
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Well my brother is a ENTJ. In which way do you say this type would be helpful? His bluntness? His rigidity in always knowing what is right for all? :)
No, seriously, why just these types? I also have a close INTJ friend. They are colder and more "ego" than me...

Curious...
You just screwed up. The blunt, cynical and grammatically incorrect comments go with your ENTrePenuer account, not the ENTPreneur one.
 
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Yeah, it can be hard for me and I am sure other ENTP's to, to cope with things that we don't understand. I usually read a captivating book or watch an engaging movie. Anything to keep my mind sharp without having to think of the things that are stressing me out. I have also developed Anxiety due to the fact that my conscious self (yadda yaddda technical terms) cannot properly process my emotions or stress and thus subconsciously I react and it can manifest itself physically or in the form of depression...

I am curious, maybe I should start a thread... Is depression very common for ENTP's or even INTP's in general?
 
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Being an ENTP and dealing with big challenges can be a very, very, very difficult. At times when dealing with things I become extremely distant in an attempt to try and "fix" issues. In the past, in regards to relationships, I have been known to try and fix the unfixable and fixate beyond comprehension.

I never got why I always had suck ass relationships as a kid and why I was always getting ran over by chicks. I would try and fix things and highlight only the good and forget that I was actually being hurt. Bad relationships can be like a death spiral. After one really bad breakup and other connected BIG life challenges I got a massive Phoenix Tattooed on my back. I got it to remind me that everything burns and comes back anew. Those thoughts of renewal and future really help me. You know us Visionaries we need a good vision of something outside the chaos.

The best way to help me when I am down is to just give me love. Sometimes I get that in the wrong places and do the wrong things (um alcohol, women, sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll) My friends and specifically my family give me love and as that love enters me I rise again. That can be hard because I have the tendency to shut everyone out but love can come in many ways. Words in an email, a card in the mail, a phone call, a walk (man these do help a lot.)

Alright that feels all sentimental and shit... gag.
 
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I think alcholol and games are a problem for all males with access to computers and or a local bar. Occupational hazard.

More on topic though, who wants to think about a shitty situation the minute it starts. I need space, to forget, to let the emotion fade and come back to them when I'm ready, rather then having them burn and blur in the moment. Your Ne goes berserk trying to understand what the cause is, and a million different things that can result, and it's just an overload if the situation's serious enough and without good foresight of it.

If someone was in the middle of my space it would just remind me more and irritate me tbh. I'd want people helping me to get away not sit and swim in it. Friends are more useful in that scenario providing safe and rewarding distractions, like a night out to some place new.


Always worked for me, when good friends are about.


"Your blunt, cynical, and grammatically incorrect comments..."

LOL :laughing::laughing:
 
I love video games too much so I just leave them be... they have the ability to suck me dry as a bone as I strategize. RPGs are a damn killer - I cannot install WoW on my PC because I already know what will happen...
 
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Well, finally I had to let her go to save myself and the kid. This was horribly stressing ( also having to give up on "project family"). During this time I periodically played computer games to gain energy. I t was like meditation. But when too much time had passed playing I felt sick with myself for not doing anything that could actually lead to something useful and quit it. Us ENTPs obsess at times....
I agree with you that sometimes people need to fall to the bottom to realize that they need to re-evaluate themselves and their approach to life. I guess I'm just trying to put a few pillows there for him. From the details that I've gathered it sounds like he is the one dropping the ball consistently in relationships. I know he hasn't worked for a year in past and he has made a comment that his wife almost "killed" him for it. His ex-wife sounds like an ESFJ (eep!). The kid was born out of wedlock, they married a bit later, and a few years later she divorced him at which point he was devastated because his optimism clouded his judgement and he really did not see the reality bat coming for him until it was too late. Imho, that relationship is not worth recovering because they just seem to operate on such different frequencies. But he needs to be there for his son and he needs to be there for himself.

All other types may offer support but won't see anything but rampant laziness, procrastination and dilly dallying.
I think this is the root of it. It sounds like he has been surrounded by a lot of SJs in his life and they led him to believe that he is somehow very flawed. It is like he is trying very hard to live up to what is considered to be normal and cover up his perceived flaws. Too hard imo. But at the same time that part of his personality is rebelling and creating extra chaos in his life but that just makes him want to hide it even further. Sometimes when I talk to him, I can sense this very deep rooted inferiority complex of some kind. Which baffled me for a while because he is typically a very confident guy, but I say something and he just snaps in a very childish way. That's why he takes to me because I approximate an INTJ for him so he feels more at ease with who he is around me.

... Those thoughts of renewal and future really help me. You know us Visionaries we need a good vision of something outside the chaos.
A vision eh? That gives me ideas. Thanks :D
Sounds like I need to flip into ENTP mode and get him excited about some future possibilities in his life.

I think alcholol and games are a problem for all males with access to computers and or a local bar. Occupational hazard.
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If someone was in the middle of my space it would just remind me more and irritate me tbh. I'd want people helping me to get away not sit and swim in it. Friends are more useful in that scenario providing safe and rewarding distractions, like a night out to some place new.
well, there is also weed, porn, strip clubs, and smoking xD .... not much wonder why his ESFJ wife left him ... but the issue is not all that - it is that I know how deep the rabbit hole can go and how dangerous it can be ... if it was just him, and just one month of it, I would not be as worried but he has demonstrated he has the capacity to take it much much further and he does have a son that he needs to care for ... it would be very sad if his son grows up and remembers how his father's addictions were more important to him than he was

Like... he sucks at them?
lol ... no his issue is that he is too good, so good that he is forgetting to play this game called Real Life - he is confused and so he shies away from trying this awesome game out :)
 
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