459 sp. 4 soc seems sort of... complicated.

 

I'm 514 SO (& identify more with 9 than 8 to the extent that you might find that relevant). What you're describing also basically applies in my case. The way I relate to groups of people or "the tribe" isn't pure desire to trust/seek solace or pure positive draw. It's hardly those things at all for me. It's more complex than that and often symbolic as much as actual.

If true for a "double withdrawn" SO dom I expect it might be even more true for "triple withdrawn" SO dom.

 

Hey, I’m [F] a 459 so/sp! I’m really interested with your descriptions. They seem very analytical and well thought out. I’m really interested in finding out more about this particular type overall.

Also, kinda out of topic but I know someone [M] who I strongly think is a 479 sp/so. I also wonder about his internal workings.

And I’m reaaally interested in knowing and understanding how they perceive each other.

Me (459) and him (479) are both INFPs btw.

 

Hey, I’m [F] a 459 so/sp! I’m really interested with your descriptions. They seem very analytical and well thought out. I’m really interested in finding out more about this particular type overall.

Also, kinda out of topic but I know someone [M] who I strongly think is a 479 sp/so. I also wonder about his internal workings.

And I’m reaaally interested in knowing and understanding how they perceive each other.

Me (459) and him (479) are both INFPs btw.

459 or the Contemplative archetype has the three withdrawn types in each enneagram center of intelligence (head (5), heart (4) and gut (9)), meaning that this is the most introspective tritype of all the roster. However, this tritype isn't the most unassertive or shy (that place belong to the 259) since the FOUR has a natural need to self-express. Since this archetype's energy is so inward, this tritype can appear so inhibited and distant as if like they don't care about others or their environment. However, this is precisely this tritype's natural defense strategy to avoid feeling overwelmed (FIVE) and having their peace disturbed (NINE). Additionnally, the 459 often needs to feel welcomed and accepted by their environment in order to open up and be social. Otherwise, they may withdraw and quietly bolt out from a crowded venue. This tritype often has a natural knack for understanding things in a deep and meaningful way and often has very peculiar interests. This tritype is probably the most naturally connected to its inner self and unconscious of all the tritypes. FOURS with this tritype often display less emotions than other FOURS and can be more removed from their environment.

479 or the Healer (I prefer the original name over the Gentle Spirit) has the three most imaginative types in each center of intelligence (head (7), heart (4) and gut (9)) and therefore will frequently display great creative aptitudes in their daily lives. They often have an original way of seeing things and love the new and the novel, often with a touch of wistful innocence in them. This archetype is the most liquid and gentle of all and is capable of wonderful observations and is able to see beauty in its many forms. They work best in a therapeutic way, transforming painful experiences into bright and meaningful events, hence the original name of Healer. Where they struggle is how they avoid allowing dark and troublesome emotions getting into their thinking process : FOUR wants to deep but the SEVEN and NINE component say : urgh...no, we have to keep things light and pleasant. This can prevent this tritype, especially leading with FOUR from going all the way through psychological healing and distracting itself with temporary fixes.

 

Hi sorry for the delay,

I'm not a naturally writer-type person, so I may procrastinate and take more time to respond.

For the relationship question, I guess two INFPs of any enneatypes (especially core FOURS) would mingle quite well, but as long as they core values are shared or respected at the very least.
The good side of that relationship is that INFPs are naturally good listeners and don't try to influence their thoughts too much onto each other, unless if they feel hurt in any way, shape or form.
Having both FOUR and NINE in the tritype for both is a big plus for general understanding and mutual respect overall, and since the NINE in the tritype doesn't want conflict, there might be a great incentive to not push each other too hard and let things be.
Unfortunately, having two NINES fixes in a relationship means that there can be a lot of passivity and 'putting one's head into the sand' behavior. 479 especially might want to maintain and preserve a happy and peaceful environment where there could be a potential for growth in allowing the conflict to happen. 459 (I can attest to that) can bolt and say nothing in case of conflict and become increasingly distant and muted, while 479 will distract themselves and minimize the issues at hand. I'd say that both 459 and 479 are really not naturally meant to handle conflict directly and can procrastinate and let it inflate over time. However, 459 will probably the first hurt and less gentle about it but still gonna be very passive aggressive when stressed or emotionally swamped. 479 Wants to go deep and explore the reasons for the disharmony (FOUR) but the pull from the two other fixes (SEVEN and NINE) might be too hard to handle at times and they won't want long and painful discussions about why their girlfriend feels that way and why...they might try to figure out a way to get out of it after a while.
Overall, I'd say the hardest part to overcome for the 459 partner is to learn to speak their truth and stop postponing their resentment and hurt, while the same for the 479 would be to learn how to accept criticism as it is and stay with their negative feelings more.

Stay tune for the rest of my answers

 

Hi sorry for the delay,

I'm not a naturally writer-type person, so I may procrastinate and take more time to respond.

For the relationship question, I guess two INFPs of any enneatypes (especially core FOURS) would mingle quite well, but as long as they core values are shared or respected at the very least.
The good side of that relationship is that INFPs are naturally good listeners and don't try to influence their thoughts too much onto each other, unless if they feel hurt in any way, shape or form.
Having both FOUR and NINE in the tritype for both is a big plus for general understanding and mutual respect overall, and since the NINE in the tritype doesn't want conflict, there might be a great incentive to not push each other too hard and let things be.
Unfortunately, having two NINES fixes in a relationship means that there can be a lot of passivity and 'putting one's head into the sand' behavior. 479 especially might want to maintain and preserve a happy and peaceful environment where there could be a potential for growth in allowing the conflict to happen. 459 (I can attest to that) can bolt and say nothing in case of conflict and become increasingly distant and muted, while 479 will distract themselves and minimize the issues at hand. I'd say that both 459 and 479 are really not naturally meant to handle conflict directly and can procrastinate and let it inflate over time. However, 459 will probably the first hurt and less gentle about it but still gonna be very passive aggressive when stressed or emotionally swamped. 479 Wants to go deep and explore the reasons for the disharmony (FOUR) but the pull from the two other fixes (SEVEN and NINE) might be too hard to handle at times and they won't want long and painful discussions about why their girlfriend feels that way and why...they might try to figure out a way to get out of it after a while.
Overall, I'd say the hardest part to overcome for the 459 partner is to learn to speak their truth and stop postponing their resentment and hurt, while the same for the 479 would be to learn how to accept criticism as it is and stay with their negative feelings more.

Stay tune for the rest of my answers

Thanks a lot for the insightful responses! Also, turns out we’re the same type haha! Have a good day

 

My tritype is 459 and my instinctual variant is sp. 😁

 

Sp 459s are often said to be artisans, are you invested in any kind of artistic activity or craft?

 

549 (maybe) sp

 

INTJ 5w4, 4w5, 9w8 sp. Is it possible for an INTJ to be this tritype? I have ponder about it. I'm pretty sure 549 is correct. Also I have tried different tests and the result is almost always INTJ. The function stack seem to correspond with me as well.

 

I think I am 549, triple withdraw... I also known I from early age have strong Fi for being INTJ.

I use Sp-instict rather much, I am usually a hoarder, when it comes to food, revising plans and such.
I use Sx-instict rather much, I am usually a debater, when it comes to values, challenging beliefs and such.

 

Are you a empath? or a HSP (Highly Sensitive Person)?

I probably want to write more but I'm not confident enought with my English. But I'm glad to find another INTJ with this tritype.

 

God this discussion sucks so hard. No wonder I developed a secondary tritype, the 378. 459 was supposed to be so meaningful and deep, but if it kept me so disconnected from others, what was the point? You guys try and fail miserably at connecting with one another because you find each other predictable and bland. Im sure the reason theres difficulty for the 479 to commit to a relationship with 459 is that 479 has less interest in being the empathic elite. If they wanted that theyd be 459 as well, and the two 459s wouldve never initiated conversation with one another. But God help the 479! I mean what good is that? Must be situation specific. Maybe others accept the 479 as empathic elite (even tho 479 knows the truth) whereas 459 hates that they mislabel 479 the empathic elite, because they know empathic elite, they fully embody it.

I hate the classification of humanity into sectors such as these. I aim to turn each of you against the other using your own self definitions and concepts. Until no one any longer knows himself, we only see and appreciate each other as we are experienced by others.

 

Yeah, maybe we are just fucked up people. Still, I'm kind of proud of that.

Also that last paragraph... Are you Jesus Christ or what? I want to see the outcome of that. I don't totally disagree with you in any case.

 

I am whatever you experience me as, Goddammit! Thats the whole mfin point. Whats my type? Mbti, tritype, what do you figure? Can you discern it or specify it, just by focusing on me? Well you will see how i refuse to be typed, so what does that make you feel that my type is? Does this not prove that type is illusory?

 

hello! i really just made this account to reply to this and i have absolutely no idea how to use this platform haha. i'm only 16 but i'm very sure i'm INFP 4w5 459 so/sx (after months of research and lots of thinking, many changes in fixes and IVs)

i've just never met another 4 in real life before, and i have never known another so/sx 459, not even on another personality site that i'm active on. i thought your discussion was interesting so i wanted to comment on it!

i've read a few so/sx descriptions for 4, and since it's social dominant, sexual energy will push the social energy even further out than so/sp. i've had the pleasure of knowing two friends of this tritype in real life (INFP 945 sp/sx, INTP 594 sp/so) and we are vastly different.

you're right where the social instinct is out of touch from the 459. i only know how to speak from experience so i'll do so.

i highly doubted being social-dominant at first because
1) i've never particularly cared much about social norms and ranking
2) i focused on myself and the emotional worlds of others' (around me) more

i think being the most introspective 4 yet a social variant has been interesting. most often when i found myself being unhealthy by dwelling on sadness or whatsoever i was torn apart by needing validation from those around me for my dramatic sorrow yet wanting to withdraw and protect myself instead. (also the fact that i was deathly afraid of disturbing others' peace of mind. it just would not be me to do so.) so yes, i didn't relate to the social description of 4s by beatrice chestnut that much until i started looking even deeper into my own actions and how i tended to run from friend to friend with the same exact issue: wanting pity. but it was never enough, and i hated how i acted.

being in a crowd energises yet drains me. i can be smiling and laughing with my friends one moment and upset and miserable the next, but i would hide it a lot. which honestly also made me wonder if i was a 479 or 4w3, because i can get really scattered just to impress others, but stay true to myself at the same time. though being scattered and fake terrifies me.

for example; i want the group to think of me as a funny mess, but at the same time i don't have the energy to complete it. so i take awhile to observe others and blend in before doing my best to stick out as someone who can both be loud and quiet, funny and serious. (which works!) i adapt to mannerisms i believe is funny and are tested out, confirmed to be funny, and i'll adapt it into my personality. again this is very draining so sometimes i just avoid social confrontation altogether.

i have an online friend who's INFP 4w3 459 sx/sp, so maybe you'd like to hear about that as well.
we're the same yet different. he's a little less sensitive towards others' feelings, in a way. in a romantic sense of longing for a partner, i've always just wanted a friend who could match my chaotic energy but also someone who knew when i had drained all my energy and to allow me some time to myself. someone who could validate me and help me but also someone who i could validate and help.

on the other hand, he wanted someone who would rely on him. someone who wasn't perfect but also perfect at the same time, someone he could protect and fix. as an sx459 he is really logical, much more than i am and i'm not sure if it relates to instincts or not but yes i'm a lot more sensitive, even when healthy.

i don't think you'll reply to this but it was still interesting to find someone who's so/sx 459. i hope you're doing fine

 

hello! i really just made this account to reply to this and i have absolutely no idea how to use this platform haha. i'm only 16 but i'm very sure i'm INFP 4w5 459 so/sx (after months of research and lots of thinking, many changes in fixes and IVs)

i've just never met another 4 in real life before, and i have never known another so/sx 459, not even on another personality site that i'm active on. i thought your discussion was interesting so i wanted to comment on it!

i've read a few so/sx descriptions for 4, and since it's social dominant, sexual energy will push the social energy even further out than so/sp. i've had the pleasure of knowing two friends of this tritype in real life (INFP 945 sp/sx, INTP 594 sp/so) and we are vastly different.

you're right where the social instinct is out of touch from the 459. i only know how to speak from experience so i'll do so.

i highly doubted being social-dominant at first because
1) i've never particularly cared much about social norms and ranking
2) i focused on myself and the emotional worlds of others' (around me) more

i think being the most introspective 4 yet a social variant has been interesting. most often when i found myself being unhealthy by dwelling on sadness or whatsoever i was torn apart by needing validation from those around me for my dramatic sorrow yet wanting to withdraw and protect myself instead. (also the fact that i was deathly afraid of disturbing others' peace of mind. it just would not be me to do so.) so yes, i didn't relate to the social description of 4s by beatrice chestnut that much until i started looking even deeper into my own actions and how i tended to run from friend to friend with the same exact issue: wanting pity. but it was never enough, and i hated how i acted.

being in a crowd energises yet drains me. i can be smiling and laughing with my friends one moment and upset and miserable the next, but i would hide it a lot. which honestly also made me wonder if i was a 479 or 4w3, because i can get really scattered just to impress others, but stay true to myself at the same time. though being scattered and fake terrifies me.

for example; i want the group to think of me as a funny mess, but at the same time i don't have the energy to complete it. so i take awhile to observe others and blend in before doing my best to stick out as someone who can both be loud and quiet, funny and serious. (which works!) i adapt to mannerisms i believe is funny and are tested out, confirmed to be funny, and i'll adapt it into my personality. again this is very draining so sometimes i just avoid social confrontation altogether.

i have an online friend who's INFP 4w3 459 sx/sp, so maybe you'd like to hear about that as well.
we're the same yet different. he's a little less sensitive towards others' feelings, in a way. in a romantic sense of longing for a partner, i've always just wanted a friend who could match my chaotic energy but also someone who knew when i had drained all my energy and to allow me some time to myself. someone who could validate me and help me but also someone who i could validate and help.

on the other hand, he wanted someone who would rely on him. someone who wasn't perfect but also perfect at the same time, someone he could protect and fix. as an sx459 he is really logical, much more than i am and i'm not sure if it relates to instincts or not but yes i'm a lot more sensitive, even when healthy.

i don't think you'll reply to this but it was still interesting to find someone who's so/sx 459. i hope you're doing fine

Very interesting to see another 459 so/sx. I don`t have anything to say atm but I'll think of something later for sure Thanks for your comment.

 

I’m an INFP 4w5 459 so/sx, which is apparently a very rare combination. And I can see why, as it seems to be a highly complex and contradictory fusion of types. The 459, being triple withdrawn (esp. with the double withdrawn core and wing combination, 4w5), is probably the enneagram typing that has the hardest time finding a community or place where they feel like they belong or fit in, and I certainly relate to this deeply. And then you have the social instinct that is the most concerned with and attuned to group/social dynamics and hierarchies, and when you combine this with the most introspective and contemplative (probably also the most likely to overthink) tritype, you get a perfect recipe for social anxiety and/or social dissatisfaction and longing. And I would guess that adding in the secondary sexual instinct would increase the intensity of these feelings of social anxiety and inferiority even more, as the lack of the self-preservation instinct makes it so that focusing on the self and ignoring the outer world is even more difficult and unnatural. I feel like it’s a pretty good combination for leading to self-destructive patterns of thought and behaviors and habits.

I still have yet to meet anyone in any capacity (or even just see one identifying themself with this same typological profile on a forum like this) with this tritype/instinct combo. If any of you happen to be out there (though if you are, you’re probably either hiding or observing silently ;p) or even someone who knows someone of this same typing, please let me know!