Eights have very solid, powerful wills, and increase the pressure until they get what they want. This becomes a problem for unhealthy eights, because they end up applying pressure in a very destructive way, and end up creating enemies and making their situations worse. They become healthier by learning when enough is enough, and pulling back.

Sixes are more erratic with their aggression, and since it's coming from a place of insecurity, they end up succumbing to anxiety and paranoia more readily than eights do. While they will probably lash out at those who get too close, the damage done is more self-destructive, while an unhealthy eight will be as much a danger to everyone around them as they will be to themselves.

So, eights are completely congruent with their instincts, while sixes alternate between congruency (phobic) and denial (counterphobia). A six who's completely congruent won't look anything like an eight.

 

I love extremes and I will break 6s in a confrontation. I love to attack and hate defensive stance, which was especially obvious while training martial arts. I literally couldn't get any moves that involved stepping back. I fucking hate to step back. Push 6 and you can break them. The more I'm pushed the more I enjoy it and the stronger I become. I love people challenging me. I sense fear while 6s CS want to create fear.

I think I'm aggressive and confrontational at my best - when I care. I didn't give a slightest fuck about others at some point so any form of aggression was pointless in my world. I wonder why aggressive or shall I say direct way of being is perceived as something negative. People in my opinion fuck around the bush too much. I see being nice, patient, diplomatic as manipulative. In the end nobody says what hi/she really thinks/feels. It all seems to be one fucking bullshit. We live a fucking nice lie.

I seek control over myself. Try to change that and you are in trouble. What's wrong with that?
Being power hungry - someone has to take the charge. Do you expect all the sheeps to walk around without anyone to lead?

My question is wtf you call something that is natural to appear at someone's worst? I say all this boundaries respect bullshit. How do you imagine world with no leaders? How do you expect the world to roll without naming things that are wrong, unrespectful in a "polite manner"? There are things that you may calmly call out but sometimes you have to slap someone at the face to make sure they get the point. Either way overused means definitely lack of life calibration.

As for 8 trait - I don't give fuck about others. I couldn't care about my own safety or could not understand why someone was worried about me throughout my whole life.

One word - respect. I do think 6s want to be liked. All I need is respect, all others need from me in order to have value is respect. Loose that and I do not give a fuck whether you exist or not. I have a hard time to care about people that don't have it in any form in my eyes.

I can't really perceive potential harm. The only time I do is, when I protect someone. This is a bit funny with loved ones heh.

People are afraid of my by default. There is this aura. If I stay silent everyone around feels uncomfortable. It is just there. I don't think I'm consciously working towards it.

I naturally sense other "power players" present and gravitate towards them. I think the difference between 6s and me is that I want to challenge, play and associate with them opposite to compulsive need to prove something. It's more of fun to me. Challenging me always bust my energy level in a positive way. I'm fucking high if someone throws a real thing at me. I do fuck things up just to face consequences.

I think risk taking behavior is more of an internal need then peer pressure.

I think 8s can be lonely top dogs while 6s couldn't survive without others' validation. Personal satisfaction vs social status.

This "genuine anger" in the eyes. It's just burning there

 

I love extremes and I will break 6s in a confrontation.

Sorry, hon, but I do the breaking if confronted. People don't "break" me, and typically, I have no desire for conflict (what for, so I can get more stressed out).

That said, if someone were to threaten my health or safely *they* lose, and *I* win. I had to file a complaint about a hospital recently. I have chronic pain, and the pain clinic there had decided to deny me pain control. Well, I don't stand for that shit. I promised there staff I would "think of something to do." And I did- I filed a formal complaint. And then, when one of the staff tried to push back in I said, "Absolutely not." She tried to push me really hard, too. But when my mind is made up, *it is made up*. So yeah, no way were these subhumans "breaking" me. Nor will I allow anyone else to break me. If someone has to break someone else, then it's *me* who does the breaking.

But like I said before, I will only behave in that way if seriously threatened. I will fight the adversary to the end. And they will *lose*.

I think that sums things up nicely.

 

@DarkSideOfLight

a few disagreements
- not all CP 6s are cowardly weaklings (Mike Tyson, 50 Cent and Chuck Norris could probably kick your ass lol) but the issue here is endurance. the 8 has a constant drive to see their will manifested in reality and is at home in conflict; the 6's aggression is more defensive and lacks the enthusiasm and consistency of an 8.
- 6s don't always turn toward others for security. 6w5s for the most part turn inward for security much the way a 5 would. a 6w5 usually needs little if any validation from others
- 6s do not perpetually care about social status, you have them confused with 2s, 3s and So doms.

I couldn't care about my own safety

- this has nothing to do with 8 and everything to do with Sp last. plenty of 8s care a great deal about their safety and health (actually, I'd say it's correlated with 8 to an extent. 8s tend to have high opinions of themselves and people with high opinions of themselves take care of themselves) and plenty of So/Sx and Sx/So's of other types don't care about these things

a few other parts of your post I agreed with

 

Truth be told, I'm not sure there are any simple answers here. Very CP6s and 8s have basically the same psychological pattern and can be virtually identical. You'd need to examine the underlying motivation in this case, and that's not always conscious or readily noticeable by others. Sorry to break it to you, it's not as simple as kicking someone's ass, and the "weaker" one is the 6.

As the two types become unhealthy, that's when they begin to diverge--but most of us never really become that unhealthy. Sixes can indeed be pressurable, but generally when they feel that they're alienating themselves from their allies. They recognize strength in numbers. If you have a 6 set against his/her perceived enemies, you may never see that side of them, same as 8s.

About me--I am operating under the assumption that I am a 6w5. I also have 8 in my tritype. I don't want anyone to turn this into yet another thread that winds up insulting 6s as weak little downbackers and glorifies 8s--both strategies coexist inside me, both are strong, and both have their place. I'm not sure there is any simple way to tell one type from another by behavior alone--we all overlap, and when you figure in instincts, levels of health, tritype, and background, you can get a real clusterfuck.

What you say, Swordsman, is absolutely true. I do not seek outside validation; in fact, my entire life has revolved around how little validation I have ever sought--I've always been immune to peer pressure. I could care less what people think of me; I'm out for myself and that's all. I've survived things which, according to a medical professional, should have psychologically destroyed me. Yet I'm still going strong. I challenge the next person who pulls a "cowardly 6" stereotype on me to live for a day in my life.

Also, an interesting fact to know and tell: I live in Cambodia, right next to the infamous S-21 genocide museum. Twenty thousand people went in to that jail, and each and every one of them was starved, beaten, tortured, and forced to confess to imaginary crimes against the state, after which point they were hauled out to a field and bludgeoned to death. Thousands of people of every type were broken in half wound up ratting out their own families--there is not one exception; the 12 or so survivors just happened to be alive when the Vietnamese invaded. Differences between 6 and 8? At bottom, there's no difference between any of us.

(The guy who ran the jail and so expertly knew how to intimidate people and break them in half is a 1, btw.)

 

One distinct difference I noticed about myself and sixes is I don't feel a need to build a case to demonstrate that I'm liked and/or desired. I find many Sixes have a tendency to build themselves up and try to make themselves appear to be more important, liked, and desired than they really are.

I don't think 6s and 8s have the same psychological pattern at all. I think it may be confusing to an outsider looking in especially when a CP6 is in full counter phobic mode. I have several friends IRL that are Sixes and I can definitely tell a difference between myself and them. For starters I find CP6 approach to life to be more glass half empty as oppose to my approach half full.

They are quick to caution you of any and everything that may go wrong and often times cripple themselves into inaction due their fears. Whereas I will take action in spite of whatever fears I may have...I will press through because I know that only action is the true antidote to fear. I also find they are good at talking at people....many times they will loud talk a person to to talk at another person and think they are really doing something badass. Whereas if I have a problem with a person, I will address them directly with my concerns.

They also like to pick fights with people they feel they can intimidate. I have the most problems with type 6 IRL starting shit with me with their bully-like tactics to discover their ass pinned up against the wall because I won't back down. One thing I will say they learn quickly who to fuck with and who not to fuck with.

My boss is a CP6 and he is an absolute bully full of hot air. He made the mistake of trying to use his bully tactics on me and I warned him if he started it then I would finish it. He decided to overlook my warning and we went head to toe. I haven't had any more problems with him flaring up at me since. He only does that shit with people that let him get away with it.

And the only time he can confront a situation is when he's already angry about something otherwise he is a total wimp. The other thing I find different about sixes compared to me is tattle telling and back stabbing. They will snitch someone out in a heart beat rather than deal with a person to their face.

Sixes and Eights do not have the same psychological makeup. Some behaviors may seem similar but on the other side of it our motivations, fears, and desires are not the same. Trust me.

 

One distinct difference I noticed about myself and sixes is I don't feel a need to build a case to demonstrate that I'm liked and/or desired. I find many Sixes have a tendency to build themselves up and try to make themselves appear to be more important, liked, and desired than they really are.

As a 6, I've never, ever done this. I sat here for a whole 15 minutes racking my brain trying to think of a single instance of this, and there isn't one. It sounds almost like a social-variant or even type 3 thing more than type 6 (yeah, I'm social last, btw).

They are quick to caution you of any and everything that may go wrong and often times cripple themselves into inaction due their fears. Whereas I will take action in spite of whatever fears I may have...I will press through because I know that only action is the true antidote to fear. I also find they are good at talking at people....many times they will loud talk a person to to talk at another person and think they are really doing something badass. Whereas if I have a problem with a person, I will address them directly with my concerns.

I feel the same way, actually--if my problem is with that person, I think its the honorable thing to take it up with them directly. I've no patience with those who skulk around and or rat you out to the boss (there's a recent instance of a guy who did this in my department, and we're all still living with the consequences of his tattle-taleing). And you are right--the only way out is through. That's the only way to combat fear; I've seldom been outright paralyzed by fear. If I experience anxiety, it actually makes me want to take action just to get it over with.

My boss is a CP6 and he is an absolute bully full of hot air. He made the mistake of trying to use his bully tactics on me and I warned him if he started it then I would finish it. He decided to overlook my warning and we went head to toe. I haven't had any more problems with him flaring up at me since. He only does that shit with people that let him get away with it.

Lol, I once had a bi-polar, possibly type 8, boss who acutually fired me because she couldn't pressure me into working faster than I was comfortable going. Works both ways.

Sixes and Eights do not have the same psychological makeup. Some behaviors may seem similar but on the other side of it our motivations, fears, and desires are not the same. Trust me.

I trust you, and assume your post is somewhat in reply to what I wrote about "psychological makeup" (which is why I'm taking the time to respond). Mine were probably a poor choice of words. I was intending to say that there is a complex of emotions present in both cp6 and 8 revolving around aggressions towards those they perceive as violating them in some form, and it's the same sort of thing. You do have to look at motivations, fears, and desires, but unless you actually know that person, or have the capacity to study their life, it might not be readily apparent--there's not necessarily any quick and easy test. So, basically the same thing you just said.

 

@n2freedom
I think it has a lot to do with their response to conflict. conflict to an 8 is a natural part of life. to a counter phobic 6, conflict is generally a disturbance. the 8's reactiveness is like a spring being released; the 6's reactiveness is more like a reflex. one thing a lot of people don't realize about 8s is that generally they're very relaxed. generally, they go at their own pace, which can vary from very fast paced to slow and steady, but it's seldom as rushed as a head triad type. 6s on the other hand seem to me at least like they're constantly running out of time, like they have to get all this stuff done or XYZ consequences will come crashing down on them (I'm exaggerating a little, but I think the basic premise holds true).
at the end of the day, the 6 just wants to know that everything is going to be okay. the biggest difference I see between CP 6s and 8s is that the CP 6 displays a strong sense of being "overwhelmed" by life.

 

The headyness of the 6 makes them second guess decisions, go back on anger easier making the aggression at times less intense or even more intense than 8 aggression at times. 8 doesn't have the head energy fixation to make them vacillate as much so there will seem to be more solidity. Its not really about weakness vs strength (stereotype) -- but rather likelihood to keep thinking about something/overthink it (6) -- or not do that and stick to the initial impulse/decision (8). 6 being head center takes in new information and provides their own new information from within a very fast paced brain in overdrive. There is lots of -noise- in the mind of a 6. 8 - not so much. Decisions will come on slower, but stay. 6 mind is very activated, will grasp at many things until making a decision, and then still be open to going back on it many times.

This can manifest in certain behaviours like seeming angry one moment, not so much the next (6) -- or not getting over an anger when its time to just get over it (8).

6 will be more anxious, weighing all information. 8 not as much, not toiling over every little thought.

 

Recently, I observed a conflict between an 8w9 and a cp6w5. It was fascinating. The 6 was very forceful, very loud and very aggressive. He was defending his wife, because he felt the 8w9 (who is a politician and my father's childhood friend lol) had, somehow, given his wife the short end of the deal (she is an aspiring politician). The 8 was calmer than the 6, and the 6 was more outwardly confrontational (provoked the 8 several times, to get to the truth of the matter [8s push for the truth in a similar way]). Both men had strong wills. The 6 had a more fluctuating energy throughout that pretty damn heated argument. He didn't actually back away, at any point. His energy (it was clearly 'head type' energy; and it seemed like the 6 wasn't exactly "at home" in the conflict). It was almost as though he wanted to push it closer to an end and get done with it, one one hand. On the other hand, he kept bringing up the same disagreements and adding fuel to fire, so to speak. His approach to conflict had this vacillating quality. The 8w9 pushed right back and was pretty much unflappable. He didn't seem threatened by the 6s aggression, but any aggressive response from the 8 brought about very strong reactions from the 6. I could tell that he was becoming flustered, though still outwardly pushy and resolute, during the argument.


In the end, they reached a mutually acceptable resolution. The 8w9 expressed that he had enjoyed the 'argument' and was pleased with the resolution that had been reached. The 6 still, seemed, to have some animosity towards the 8 after it was over. He was very charged up from the fight. The 8 went back to drinking tea and making fun of my hilarious childhood photo in his album.

Cp6s will get into a conflict and confront the opponent aggressively, but like I said, it takes them a while to get it out of their system after it's over. Essentially, it's not entirely within their comfort zone as in the 8's case.

@Promethea, SOM and others have covered the differences well. So, that was a first hand account illustrating some of the points that have been made here. I would, however, expect a more explosive exchange between a cp6 and 8w7.

 

Cp6s will get into a conflict and confront the opponent aggressively, but like I said, it takes them a while to get it out of their system after it's over. Essentially, it's not entirely within their comfort zone as in the 8's case.

http://personalitycafe.com/member.php?u=2338 Promethea , SOM and others have covered the differences well. So, that was a first hand account illustrating some of the points that have been made here. I would, however, expect a more explosive exchange between a cp6 and 8w7.

Funny you should mention it takes them a while .... my cp6 boss avoided me for three months alter our altercation. And, he tried to find evidence in which to retaliate by reviewing my time sheets, my status reports, and telework plans. I discovered all my paper work spread across his desk and him reviewing it when I went to drop something off to his office.

And, it was indeed an explosive exchange. Little does he know, I really could hung him up by his balls because he was totally in the wrong and totally over reacted. When I consulted with an associate who works in HR, she told me I had grounds to file a grievance against him for bullying in the work place.

At the time, I didn't see a need because I let him know in no uncertain terms how I expect to be treated and so far he he hasn't crossed that line with me again. We haven't had any more exchanges since that incidence or problems for that matter.

 

As a CP 6w7, all of my aggression is directed towards defense. I can be quite aggressive when my boundaries are crossed. Especially in terms of tact and common courtesy.

Think king in his castle coming out and fighting on my grounds. The areas I'm familiar with I will happily fight to the death especially when I am right.

Eights have a very interesting persona about them. I get along with them well, but my uncle, intern boss, and room mate all know not to screw with my boundaries.

Guy I interned with always gave me hell for not being as well rounded in acoustic theory as I could have been. Calling me stupid from time to time. It got to the point I said, "yo, either shut up calling me an idiot or teach me these things I don't know. Be a mentor damn it!" Another time, I found him yelling at a verizon rep for charging him for a broken phone in shipment. CSR wouldn't budge. I called and handled it. Sure enough, he got the charge reversed.
We've been close friends ever since.

Room mate is a lot chiller, but he'll do stuff that annoys me from time to time like take significantly larger portions of dinner that I make. I normally don't assert my boundaries because I'm home and don't feel the need to. When it does happen, I call him out on It. The irony is he looks confused for a split second unsure of why I was mad. He always manages to repay the debt.

Sorry 8s I love you as much as I love everyone else in this world, but learn when to not use the "guns" and you'll find it easier. As a CP 6, don't invade my castle.

I've gotten farther in this world by being diplomatic and asserting myself when the time is right. In the 21st century the "alpha" male/female better have some simple diplomacy skills because most beaurocritters and customer services reps don't handle attitudes well.

 

the more disintegrated the 8, the less capability they have for carrying. 8s at their worst lose site of their humanity, become sociopathic and amoral and solely bent on conquest/dominion.
Edit: part about 6s deleted, I've thought about it more and it was extremely inaccurate

 

I'm going to go the other direction now and say that counter phobic 6s, even at their worst, are extremely loyal and caring people. an unhealthy 8 on the other hand...not a chance. the more disintegrated the 8, the less capability they have for carrying. 8s at their worst lose site of their humanity, become sociopathic and amoral and solely bent on conquest/dominion.

Been a long time since you went down the stereotypical path. I disagree with the bolded part above. There is nothing extremely loyal and/or caring about people who go off half cocked with a knee jerk reaction and engage in covert revengeful activities because this is what I have found to be true about cp6s at their worst.

They can build a case in their head, try people, and find them guilty and condemn them based on circumstantial evidence or the stories they concoct in their own head. And, then the bad part about it is they will enlist others and turn them against you too forming a virtual lynching mob. I am speechless when I listen to the daily shit a cp6 co-worker based on conspiracy theories that she has come up with. Somebody is always out to get her and is doing something underhanded towards her.

She is totally paranoid. And, the sad part about it seems to me that she has to have an enemy at all times. By that I mean she is at odds with someone every time I damn turn around. And, don't get me started on the cp 6 admin at work who has loyalty tatooed on her neck and will give you a hominy on why it is imperative people have this with her. She tried to get her boss fired because she perceived her boss was out to get her. Bad mouthed her all over all department and made that woman's life a living hell. But, when her boss retired early this past week .... same nut job sent her flowers, went out for her retirement lunch and the whole nine.

Cry me a river that cp 6s at their worst are extremely loyal and caring people. I have countless examples of this type at their worst and it is nothing loyal and/or caring about them (we can start with my mother...I have close up & personal experience). What I have observe is they can be just as revengeful as a type 8 at their worst .... however, the difference I have observed is with an eight revenge is direct and the eight wants you to know they are seeking revenge. Whereas the cp6 can stick the knife in your back and smile at you the whole time they are fucking doing it.

Again, I am speaking from my personal experiences with cp6s ****at their worst**** and not to be confused with me talking about cp6s in general. So, lets not get it twisted.

 

Interesting thread...
I think one thing that makes a total difference between cp 6's and 8 is their unhealthier state.

8's at their worst are total daredevils, destructive and rude... They would get murder and become close of 'sociopaths'

cp 6's at their worst are: completely hysterical, full of anxiety [and try to fight it, but in the end they creat even more stress], they start to pick up fights that can't win [8's don't do that in this way... even in they lose a fight they will make it look as they had won it - they want to be strong and herois], and self-destructive [8's want to have a strong image ... they will not harm themselvs].

PR

 

8's at their worst are total daredevils, destructive and rude

I think you'll find that most healthy eights are also perceived as rude by pretty much every other type.

 

I think the most important distinction is the eight ability to instinctually size up situations, and people. People pick up on that, and it makes them quite uncomfortable. Something unusual is lurking beneath in some situation, and the eight is going to pick up on that. Not the six.

This is not to say that eights have godlike superpowers or that they are better than sixes, like everything in life, there must be some sort of compensation.

 

This is bullshit and the fact that you confidently say this without having any factual evidence to back it up makes it worse.

From a 6-es point of view:

- CP 6es do things from a motivation of seeking safety.
- 8s from the motivation of seeking control, power and independence.

There are plenty of differences like 6es preferring to "lay low and not stick out too much" (because sticking out makes us a target) and 8s ending up in the preferred position of being in charge. The differences are in the motivations and the problem here is that if we look at it strictly from a "behavioral" point of view <.< we simply won't get it. Examining the "hidden side", what goes on behind the behavior is the key.

It is as simple as reading the descriptions and asking the correct questions. Behavior can be deceiving without proper context. As always the key to the enneagram is the motivation. Most people are blind to their own motivations and only see what they do, which then makes for plenty of mistypes. Such was my case.

 

@n2freedom
oh, and I forgot, Ivan the Terrible: IN?J 6w5 Sx/So

 

I think what SOM meant was that even extremely unhealthy 6s are not as sinister as extremely unhealthy 8s. Yeah, well, healthy (not Enneagram health levels mind you) individuals of every type will be loyal and caring. Loyalty here just means the quality of sticking through a friend or whatever during rough times. Unhealthy manifestations of Type 6 and Type 8 can be equally bad.

 

I must be even less healthy than I thought

 

@Rim
Pericles' point wasn't totally flawed. 8s, do, in fact, have a very good instinctual grasp of how people function. They are especially good at locating people's weaknesses. In other words, 8s have very strong instincts. This is something people do pick up on. An 8 doesn't need to constantly test people for trust/security for this reason. 6 being a head type lacks the 8s strong instincts so they have to engage in the repeated testing/questioning deal to find secure ground/some element of certainty.

Both can be equally matched in a fight- intellectual or whatever other form it may take. 6s can tell that people are bullshitting them, but they don't trust their judgment fully which also leads to the stereotypical push/pull tendencies and testing. People can pick up on these suspicious tendencies too. It goes both ways.

 

You do have a point, I do constantly reevaluate everything around me, but it is more of a passive process. So 8s are more sure of themselves and don't suffer doubt as easily as 6? I still wouldn't generalize this over a whole type and portray it as if 8s have a "superpower". I don't tend to doubt what I feel about others either. While I do tend to doubt my own subjective logic and seek council on logical matters from trusted sources I can say with confidence that I don't doubt my feelings. This would be more of a Fi and Te thing thou.

What one thinks or feels can be twisted by personal bias and other things which distorts it's objective value. How reality is and how one perceives it is not the same. So yeah ^^; I doubt and seek the truth, I even doubt my own thoughts.

Feelings/values are different, because in their case my subjective experience is what matters, not what others feel.

In the above case I just "knew" that it wasn't right. I didn't even need to go through the logic as to why that was so. I guess we could call it "E6 BS meter" ?

^^ here is a good E6 stereotype: - We are good at debating, however we may contradict ourselves.

 

6's are much more secure than 8's on the inside. Also, CP sixes are more about not being fucked with then domination: 8's love to conquer and dominate things. Finally, a healthy 8 can look like a 2, this doesn't happen with the counter-phobic 6 types.

 

6's are much more secure than 8's on the inside. Also, CP sixes are more about not being fucked with then domination: 8's love to conquer and dominate things. Finally, a healthy 8 can look like a 2, this doesn't happen with the counter-phobic 6 types.

no they aren't. the 8's main weaknesses and problems in life are not caused by insecurity. also, CP 6s can be just as dominating and controlling as 8s, I could point to several historical examples if you like.

 

Wondered how you all would digest this: Good Luck, Wisconsin, You've Got A Classic Authoritarian Governor

So, does he seem most likely 8? 6? Neither? I'm posting it here, because I think he's probably an 8 or cp6 based solely on that article, and while the article may describe 6 traits not present in 8s, one can infer the opposite. (Be certain to read the 2nd part of the article - about authoritarian followers.) To me (again based on what was written), he sounds like a 6: "While Scott Walker plays by the rules of the authorities he accepts" etc. etc. 8s don't play by anyone's rules.

 

very good points @cyamitide

 

I have seen 6s do the secret coalition forming to publicly shame someone a lot of times (with the clueless sod, in question, walking about completely carefree until things start to get really fucked up). They're actually very good at pulling the strings from behind the curtain. Very stealthy. Though, I wouldn't say that 6s rarely openly challenge someone. They do it, yes. But, 6 revenge can be a lot stealthier than 8 revenge.

 

in general, 6 is the passive aggressor; 8 is the victim of passive aggression. less confident people have a tendency to get their stomach stuck in their throat when an 8 approaches them, and, if they don't like them, they often will band together against the 8 and try to back stab him

 

I would say CP 6's are mostly INTJ's and ISTJ's. Hi Ni makes them prone to anxiety, low Fi makes them somewhat unaware of their feelings and hence anxiety.

Probably why so many INTJ's mistype as 8's.

8's are meatheads, 6's are not.

When fearing the future, 8's tend to have a dread similar to 5's that is only temporary until they have solved the problem, the problem starts when an 8 has already failed an attempt and is trying to think of another way.
6's are anxious of the future because that's what they do to be prepared for it. I dont know much about anxiety other than my INTJ brother tends to worry about competition a lot. I'll say, "i'm going to go to the abandoned property listing and see if I can claim some abandoned property for myself." He responded, "but think of all the other people doing just that. I responded, "what good will that do me?" he realized it was unproductive thought. So perhaps this is something 6's are known to do.

 

Is this a thread about CP6s strictly or the ones who move back and fourth from phobic to CP? It sounds like we're smearing that line. CP6's I've seen were all confrontational and desired a face-to-face confrontation.

Pfft, of course phobic 6s don't like confrontation.

 

@Wake
Generally speaking, cp 6s are totally up for upfront confrontation and may even have a preference for this. But, cp-p is a spectrum. Even "cp 6s" have their p moments. Anyway, a cp 6 might do the secret coalition forming thing if face to face confrontation isn't a viable option, OR if they have seriously overestimated the opponent's strengths, but it seems like a p strategy broadly speaking.

 

That is pretty specific and your first statement wasn't, I'm glad you are now. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

@Boss

Thank you for clearing that up.

 

I thought my CP6 father was an 8 for the longest time, until these differences came together...
when pushed my dad breaks down and his inner fear is revealed.
He pushes for alliances with people and then fears they are not strong in the cause or becomes disillusioned with them and attacks them.
His anger is not based on enjoyment of conflict; in fact, I don't think he likes conflict; and his anger does not seek to control; but rather to try to control. His anger, as mentioned by other posters, is not always productive. It is not efficient and get the job done, it can alienate others and basically hurts himself more than anyone else... by exploding irrationally the way he does, he weakens his options and confuses himself. He is seeking security but he creates chaos.
Other differences; he does not respect those who go toe to toe with him and lay it out, respectfully. Even if someone, regardless of calmy or angrily, detachedly or passionately, explains their stance and lays all their cards on the table, apologizes or holds their ground, he will not accept it because he has worked himself into a panic and cannot stop attacking. He is not raecting to external stimuli but his own internal fears, though they are not phyiscal fears. He basically continues the fight regardless of the response, whereas, correct me if I'm wrong, please, I feel eights are out to get results.

 

@Chipps floats like a butterfly stings like a bee!:wink:

 

Lol.

Thing is, I'm realizing through reading this thread, and looking back on my childhood, its becoming more and more apparent why I identified so heavily with the 8.

I've dealt with alot of crazy ass people in my family. My grandmother was a very unhealthy and narcissistic 2w3. I had an aunt who was a pathological liar and probably had histrionic disorder. My sister was a huge drama queen and definitely an unhealthy heart core type. More than a few of my male family members were probably unhealthy 6s or even 8s, so I've dealt with a lot of unhealthy personalities at the same time and over a long period of time in close quarter so give me a healthy 8 and watch me have a yawn attack. Like cute kittens you are.

I too identify with the confidence when it comes to power and I don't need to prove anything, but I do poke and systematically break down authority like a true 6w5.

I feel like the 6 is always portrayed as being highly anxious or almost shaking when a confrontation happens. <--thats the part I object to the most. You wont see my hand shaking and although the anxiety would be there, you wouldnt see that either.

Like I said, assassin style.:ninja:

**Jumps out of the window and disappears into the night**