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Ciel -ISTJ

Sebastian-ENTJ?(Have heard he was ISTJ though,maybe because of the loyal thing)
 
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Ciel -ISTJ

Sebastian-ENTJ?(Have heard he was ISTJ though,maybe because of the loyal thing)
I THOUGHT Ciel was an ISTJ... But I am now leaning towards him being "N" person because of the things he says seems like what other "N" people understand... Like the way he talks about how people are his pawns and how his life is a game, blah blah blah... his choice of wording is certainly what most N-types use in their language. Nice guess, though!

Sebastian COULD be an ISTJ, I agree.
 
My thing about Sebastian though is since he is a slave pretty much, ofc he is goin to do whatever Ciel tells him without question(Kinda like a ISTJ).

I can see him bein ISTJ too ,Loyal, has the duty of protecting Ciel,makes a plan and execute it, etc but I think its kinda hard to type him.


Ciel-INTJ then, but I said ISTJ because the way he sticks to his traditions is a ISTJ trait. lol ofc one trait doesn't make him ISTJ though.
 
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My thing about Sebastian though is since he is a slave pretty much, ofc he is goin to do whatever Ciel tells him without question(Kinda like a ISTJ).

I can see him bein ISTJ too ,Loyal, has the duty of protecting Ciel,makes a plan and execute it, etc but I think its kinda hard to type him.


Ciel-INTJ then, but I said ISTJ because the way he sticks to his traditions is a ISTJ trait. lol ofc one trait doesn't make him ISTJ though.
Sebastian is extraordinarily hard to type, I agree. All I have at the top of my head when it comes to typing him are: ESTJ, ISTJ, or ENTJ.

Considering that my father is an ISTJ, and comparing him to Ciel... they are definitely different, type-wise. I mean, come on, remember my other thread on Hank Hill? He's not like Ciel, at all, aside from their introversion, the way they feel uncomfortable with all things emotional and such, and they get the job done like Judgers naturally do... It's the S/N that differentiates them, imho.
 
I can see your point why you think that Sebastian is an ISTJ, but I lean more towards ESTJ. He knows his way with people, he LOVES playing with them, manipulating them, even though the servants annoy him quite a lot of times. (Seriously, they would annoy everyone.) Yeah, Sebastian is pretty loyal to Ciel but he just wants his soul in the very end, I don't think he enjoys it to obey to a child even though Ciel is kind of amusing. Anyways, it is pretty hard to guess what he is actually like. But something about ISTJ just doesn't seem right to me.

About Ciel, he is without any doubt an INTJ.
 
Ciel - He's definitely an INTJ. The whole "life's a chess game, and I'm the king," mentality he has just screams stereotypical INTJ.

Sebastian - Umm...yeah, he's definitely one of the hardest characters I've come across to type. There's no doubt in my mind that he's a Thinking type, and yeah, he does act like an extrovert, but that might be a facade as the above said. He's probably so easygoing around others because of how long he's lived, and the fact that he lusts for human souls. So, I'll probably settle with ENTP, for now.
 
I can see your point why you think that Sebastian is an ISTJ, but I lean more towards ESTJ. He knows his way with people, he LOVES playing with them, manipulating them, even though the servants annoy him quite a lot of times. (Seriously, they would annoy everyone.) Yeah, Sebastian is pretty loyal to Ciel but he just wants his soul in the very end, I don't think he enjoys it to obey to a child even though Ciel is kind of amusing. Anyways, it is pretty hard to guess what he is actually like. But something about ISTJ just doesn't seem right to me.

About Ciel, he is without any doubt an INTJ.
I agree with the extraversion since he enjoys playing with people and manipulating them, but he is definitely impossible to manipulate. Believe it or not, I've been able to manipulate several ESTJs easily due to their narrow-minded nature. I think it's ENTJs (and ENTPs) that are the hardest to crack because they also have that Ni aux so they can intuitively sense if they're being manipulated. Sebastian is also a big picture person and also a goal-oriented person because he is doing all of this for the sake of consuming Ciel's soul. I don't think he cares much about being uber-conventional. I would have actually taken him for an ENTP if he were not so diligent in his service toward his master. Maybe that diligence is due to the fact that he is in a contract. He does things for the sake of getting them done but usually tries to enjoy himself while working (i.e. sleeping with the nun). Either way he's an ENTx, depending on his stage in existence. He's either an ENTP who is adaptable enough to pose as a J (more likely, in my opinion), or he's a relaxed ENTJ.

As for Ciel, I think we can all agree on the fact that he's an INTJ. Ciel never struck me as someone who cared about traditions that much (like an ISTJ), though he did have some regard for them. More than anything else though, he cared more about getting the job done rather than conforming. The ISTJ would be the other way around (the job is only a priority after everyone has conformed).
 
Sebastian Michaelis may be one of these: EXJT or XSTJ, leaning more toward ESTJ
Ciel Phantomhive: INTJ
Other characters: Grell Sutcliff: ESFP
William T. Spears: ISTJ
Ronald Knox: ESXP
Lau: XNTJ
Ran-Mao: ISXJ
Undertaker: IXTP
Soma Asman Kadar: ESFP
Agni: ESFJ
Finnian: INFP
Baldroy: ESXP
Mey-Rin: ISFP
Tanaka: IXXJ
Elizabeth Midford: ESFJ
Enough with that
 
Sebastian is either ExTJ or ESTP . I am leaning more towards the ENTJ side personally but have an open mind, though so far haven't seen a good argument against otherwise to completely convince me that he's not ENTJ. When typing him, people should consider his 'thoughts' from the manga since he rarely has deep thought narrations in the anime, but if they can't, then consider these at-least;


Sebastian predominantly appears as a courteous and impeccable servant. However, he is, in actuality, callous, heartless, and sadistic; he is ruthless when attacking others on Ciel's orders, and had, at one point, deliberately delayed saving Ciel for his own amusement. Sebastian usually expresses his diabolic nature through his dark, sarcastic humor and inability to see good in anyone.He thinks of his own master as a brat who treats his workers rudely, but he has admitted that he does not dislike the butler lifestyle despite all the troubles he goes through on a daily basis.
Sebastian views money as "rubbish" and "materialistic." (because he's a demon, and he doesn't need them, over the years he's been alive, he's seen lots of people be corrupted or led away by money, however Sebastian himself is very materialistic in other ways)
He is fluent in French and Latin, enough to teach the latter. He is also proficient in Deutsch (German) and East Franconian, a dialect in Southern Germany. Sebastian has a great and mutual distaste for Grim Reapers. Moreover, he profoundly adores cats and had kept at least thirteen hidden in his wardrobe to prevent Ciel from finding out.

Sebastian often contemplates the behaviors and attitudes of human beings. He regards humans in general to be "difficult creatures," but he is fascinated with their struggles and lofty goals. He is intrigued by how seemingly insatiable they are, for they are willing to "drag others down to get what they want, even in death."
Furthermore, he is often puzzled by human behavior as demonstrated by humans’ excessive love for sweet things such as cake—personally, he doesn’t find it delicious. Finally, Sebastian has seen humans (such as Agni) bring out enormous strength from within. However, he states this is something a demon can never obtain—strength and power bred from love and faith.

Considering all that, we know he DEFINITELY has an interest in people in general and studying them. He also likes interacting with them and being appraised by them. This rules out the possibility of him being an introvert completely. The only time people annoy him are when they're getting in his way, when they're not praising him and when people are too shallow or 'obvious' for him.
He seems to be an Intuitive rather than a Sensor to me (feel free to debate that), and he's definitely Te dom or Te aux. ENTJ seems to fit the bill for those? When he uses Ni, he seems to be in a good mood, whereas when he uses Se he seems more cruel or unhealthy really, so I'm calling it that his tertiary function is Se and inferior is Fi.
 
Ciel is an xNTJ.
Sebastian is difficult to type as he's a demon and able to show pretty much any function depending on what he needs to do. He's always using facade of a good butler but I doubt we ever saw his real personality.
 
We see a good bit of Sebastian's actual personality, perspective and thoughts in the manga though. Judging from that, he seems very much so like a Te dom but I'm leaning towards an Intuitive. If it came down between a Sensor and Intuitive, what are people most inclined to pick for him and why, is what I'm personally curious about.

Are there any manga readers here?
 
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