Always thought Elon musk is too chill to be INTJ. Thanks!

Ellen definitely a thinker type. I couldn't be the only one that hunched this YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean, Ellen is kinda a bully and that is thinker type

I mean, she's really sold her soul

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Always thought Elon musk is too chill to be INTJ. Thanks!

I always argued for him to be an IP type.
I thought ISTP but INTP - given his Boring Company thing - is a possibility too.

 

But what I was most puzzled by is his Post Malone typing: INTJ

I mean I can see a lot of things but Post Malone as an INTJ just shocked me.

He typed many clear cut ISFPs as INxJ (Granted everybody on this site does that too).

His rationale is that he sees Se/Ni, which yes, obviously, but then says they are movement/direct or whatever the hell based on one sentence they uttered, disregarding the context and whatnot, so by default they are INxJ.

What bugs me is that he never once explains how they are Ni and it's their dominant function.



Also Bono and Mariah Carey are ESTJs apparently.

 

I just looked up some of his typing. Apparently there is a thread about him (and others) here https://www.personalitycafe.com/cog...ons/1304971-favorite-mbti-jungian-psychology-youtube-channels.html#post43138191 I wasn't aware of.

What's funny is how people criticize him because it doesn't match their previous expectations.

I mean Kurt Cobain as an INFJ is not something I could easily dismiss rightaway, especially how I started to change my mind about him as an INFP. (seriously, I was just thinking about him today because of the INFP INFJ thread I made and how he didn't fit the INFP criteria I gave)

The others are weird. Bono as an ESTJ? I don't know him that much but I always thought he was the definition of ENFJ. I have to check out that video.

 

I had kind of given up on MBTI till I ran across Chase. He's quirky, but a really sharp dude.

I don't watch his typing of celebrities, because I don't care about such things, but I assumed these are shallow typings based on very little data. So, I wouldn't put any stock in them anyway.

His general philosophy and his approach seem very spot-on. Far more so than anything else I've found. I built a spreadsheet to help myself better understand the methodology and I've actually been able to correctly type some friends and co-workers.

 

(Not so) new ones:

Dua Lipa: INFJ (that I can actually see)
Kendrick Lamar: ENTP (no way sir)
Avicii: ISFP (yeah probably right)
Drake: ISTP (my pick too - seriously is there any maintream rapper that is not an ISTP?)
Frank James: INFP (haha)

And the cream of the crop: PewDiePie: INFJ!

I mean I never watched him but seeing how popular he is and generally has a nice guy touch I can see that.

Any opinions?

 

He did Celine Dion: I was so excited to find out if she was ESFJ or ESFP. Turns out she's ESTP :/ The fact that he has Ellen, Celine, Mariah and Drake all as T types feels.......off to me. He also types WAY too many people as INTJ and ENTP which coincidentally happen to be his 2 favorite types.

 

If you want my opinion, BS Jokeseph is someone who targets the crowd of "don't fully understand typology but are just getting to grips with it" who are naive and gullible and leeches off them. His personal biases seep into his system far too much for someone in a position like that. Very cult-like imo. I think this is the issue in general with individuals who offer a paid typing service. I don't have an issue at all with people making money off their hobbies (shows good business initiative) BUT I think the issue is the people who pay for said service take their word as gospel. I've also heard many stories of people getting left in the dark when they bring up questions regarding the typing.
And his type grid, don't even get me started. One of the biggest crocks of shit I've seen in this community honestly.

 

It's accurately locked me as an ESTP.
I say accurately because no other type was fitting to me at all.

He actually made me realize the difference between cognition and the content of that cognition.
Meaning that I can like or have interest about abstract topics and still be a sensor. It just means that I'm relying on data while others, more intuitives don't require data.

Also introduced me to the concept of "analysis paralysis". Which is a pure sensory related thing.
He described ESTPs as more than walking talking jocks but more of human incapabable of making the "right" decision (due to inf Ni) and instead delving into sensory related stuff (like alcohol and sex).

It kind of changed my life but of course I'm Ni inf so I don't wanna talk like that. :tongue:

I never ever would have thought of the possibility that I'm ESTP and such minuscule event could change my life.


Anyway, back to the topic, is there anything specific you disagree with?

 

Recent typings:

Justin Bieber: ISTP
Jerry Seinfeld: ENTP (saw that coming)
Travis Scott: ISFP (bit of a suprise there)
Edward Snowden: ISTJ
Kobe Bryant: ISFP
Logic: ENTP

Not a lot of surprises.

 

If I remember correctly, he typed Andrew Yang as an INTJ and Princess Diana as an XSTP. I agree with the former but definitely not the latter.

 

Okay I know she's not a celebrity but I wanna talk about her here because this is the only way to type her adequate.

Rey from Star Wars is according to most people not a fleshed out character, she's boring or has no personality.

What if she HAS a personality only it is not the one you would want to expect from a hero of a franchise.

And that personality is the ISTJ. And the only way to prove it is through CS Joseph's Type Grid.

https://i.redd.it/1zohw2udok031.jpg

In Cs Joseph's Type Grid you have to prove two things about that person to find her attitude.

1. Is she Systematic or is she Interest?
This determines whether she is SJ/SP or NT/NF.

If you look closely there can be no question about it. Everything she does is systematic. She doesn't do anything out of pure interest, it's hard to even say where her interest would be.
This is the one that people can say, oh no she has no personality. Wrong. This is her personality. She's duty driven, systematic thinking. She's relying on the knowledge she's already gathered. No magic tricks here.

Next one is:

2. Is she Pragmatic or is she Affiliative?

If you watched all movies this can be also not a question. She's affiliative as hell. Every person she encounters, either living thing or a droid she treats them as one of her own. She can't stop being a caring person.
This is also something that people would point out. "Oh, she has no personality". Calm down. This is her personality. She treats everyone equally, everyone's important, everyone is a friend worth saving.

Now we have two things there that are true to SJs;
one/one that is true to either NFs or NTs;
and zero to SPs.

When you say she's not an interesting person it is only because she's not an SP. That's it. We're used to SP heroes in Star Wars universe, and heroes are only as interesting as they are adventurous or are interest driven. That way they can be compromised or they can be fooled with.
But you can't do any of those with Rey.

Also not that it matters but she's concrete. Not abstract.
So that's 3/3 that's typical to SJs.


Now the only question remains is which SJ is she.
This is where Interaction Syles comes into picture.

I would shut out right away that she's an extravert but let's not go there first.

So we have Direct/Informative, Responding/Initiating and Movement/Control pairs.

Her Interaction style is Direct, with as few words as it can be;
Responding, because she never initiates anything that's already not there;
And though I would not guess it rightaway, she's Movement (also known as Progress), because she never talks about any results or outcome like Control types do. She never asks why, she just gets with the program.


You see? What you see that she doesn't have a personality IS her personality. Her personality is that she can't get corrupted.
She's not as interesting as other characters are because others characters can be corrupted. SPs can be seduced. NTs can get crazy. NFs can get emotional.

She's there for her friends and her friends only.
That's her character and that is okay.

 

Yeah, I don't see Ellen being ENTP at all. I don't think Ellen is using primary Ne, I sense more dominant Te wanting to roar out of its cage at every second. Some claim that Ellen is an ENFP, but I think it is just as likely that she is an ESTJ..

 

I kinda listened to alot of his lectures until he branched off and created his own systems which is sometimes whack...

His typing system is way over simplified and inaccurate, his typing can sometimes be questionable...

Did I just see Elon -> INTP? His visions look Ni Te to me...The way he operates TSLA etc... SOOOOO much Te...

 

I think he is either ENTP or INTP; good arguments can be made for both types.

ENTPs have pretty darn good Te. Steve Jobs was likely another ENTP, although some mistake him for ENTJ because of how hardass he managed people.

Anyway, Musk is not direct in his communication, esp when watching him in an interview. He is kind of all over the place, and I guess I can see the case for him being an INTP because he pauses a lot when speaking, which is that Ti processing things first. He likes to play devil's advocate for sure; something NTPs do a lot. His sense of humor is Ne goofball.

Again, he may be an INTP, as Bill Gates is likely another example of an INTP who almost seems ENTJ at times. Enneagram plays a role, too, as 3s and 8s will look like NTJs.

I skipped to the end, but this guy also thinks he is an INTP, and he is using the CSJ system of typing, for better or worse.