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i did a lot before i started to try and develop my weaknesses. a month ago i was in a state where i would often go a week without leaving the house very often. now i make sure to do some errand to benefit my life or go hang out with a friend 1 or more times a day. i broke the habits of porn n videogames and i feel a lot better and nearly as motivated as my estp mother.

 

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also it seems to me that most intps are solipstists. which would add to the situation.

 

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yep, optimism exists despite evidence to the contrary. but...



...pessimism also exists despite evidence to the contrary. excellent point, Nitou. thanks, i needed to be reminded of that.




huh! interesting... i've always been relatively oblivious of my physical surroundings, but for some reason it never occurred to me to connect this to MBTI... makes sense, though.



hmmm, good point. i don't usually direct the conversations in which i'm a direct participant (too lazy? too detached?)--but i will be avoidant. i also fail to care about most conversations around me and i think that often rubs people the wrong way, too (but then again i deal with a lot of passive-aggressive people). i just like to think i'm not being nosy.

and i agree with you about the values of modern society. what you said about american idol made me think instantly of fahrenheit 451. i don't begrudge anyone the TV, but i rarely watch it myself.



i feel it less often with the online world, but yeah, me too.



this is a great idea; i SO need to do this. problem is, i usually work from home and have a verrrrry flexible work schedule--which means i'm free to go for a week without leaving the house. NOT good for an INTP.



another thing i needed to be reminded of today. thank you.

i can see the comfort in working from home...but im trying to do everything i dont know how to...i decided to join society on my 20th birthday

 

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Yes, I feel like no one gets me. It takes great effort to to expres my intention or point of view. By the time I get to making my point conversation has moved on. I live in my own private universe and view the world with dismay.I ask how many of you INTPs can see an outcome and regardless of your best efforts to explain no one else can see it or believes till it eventuates. Fucking frustrating. I plug the ipod in in the morning on my way to work and take it out when i return. Not much of an effort. My cats get me.

your cats will be dead soon. try and be more decisive and start making ur point. refine it as ur saying it. think on ur feet....also try and trust people and feel more connected to them.....we r all the same essentially...all of your fears are theres. also look at the music ur listening to...is it making u more disconnected...music will shape you in every aspect.

try something very easy...listen to the music u hate. country,rap,whatever it is...pay attention to the words and make sure the message empowers you and relaxes you.

reggae is epic for this

 

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hmm...bob marley

three little birds

 

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I tired that for many years and I empirically verified that it is actually quite bad for you. I consider heavy drinking to be anti-yoga. If you want to get more out of touch with your body and your perception of reality, drink lots. Don't get me wrong, i like a stiff drink or 9 from time to time, but if the anxiety of estrangement from the world and from your body's got you down, you might want to pass on the sauce.

u say empirical alot...why...aside from the general anti authority nature of our type...is there a certain thought ur stuck on?

 

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I am absolutely stuck on the Sabba Sutta from the Samyutta Nikaya. Here's Wallis' translation of it.

"This was spoken by the Buddha at Savatthi.

I will teach you the all. Listen to what I have to say.
What is the all? The eye and forms, the ear and sounds, the nose and scents, the tongue and tastes, the body and tactile objects, the mind and thoughts. This is called the all.
Someone might say, 'I reject this all, I will declare another all.' But because that is simply a groundless assertion, such a person, when asked about it, would not be able to explain, and would, moreover, meet with distress. What is the reason for that distress? Because that all is not within his or her sensorium."

When I say "empirical" I mean that which can be verified within "the all," bringing no more into the discussion other than what one can verify through observation. By "empirical" I also mean "that which is self-evident for those who observe carefully". I suppose "empirical," in the sense that I use it, also means "anti-metaphysical" and "without contrivance."

On a similar note, I would unhesitatingly add that disconnection and alienation most definitely stem from spending too much time outside of "the all" in the abstract space of consciousness. As The Buddha states, spending time here results in distress. Tragically, for the INTP, alienation from the body leads to distrust in "the all." Learning how to sympathetically and spontaneously reengage reality seems to be the nature of our quest. Thus my interest and advocacy of yoga and meditation.

id say this philosophy of present awarness would be very beneficial to intps...considering many times we disconnect and many times our thoughts turn into a whirlwind of second guessing

 

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i also like power vs force and the music of matisyahu