Well, thanks for the exception. In regards to Ti having a problem with Fi, there's a sort of magnetism that Fi doms often have that I generally get along with...until they open their mouths.

Jokes aside, I seldom find myself arguing with them. Maybe they silently disagree, maybe a Te dom or auxiliary type would get them more riled up. Innately, it's that they are foreign to one another, which may cause miscommunication, one not taking the time to understand the other, or alienation in various senses...which then leads to conflict between the two. Conflict may more readily occur as far as what the two functions are more prone to believe. For example, someone who values Ti more may be predisposed to favor the idea of Truth as absolute and transcendent. A constituent of the Fi camp may be predisposed to favor the idea of truth being subject to change (notice different between Truth and truth) for more insight).

 

If you like entp and you don’t like enfp. That would be interesting. If you like both the it’s how ti fe relate to something else that triggers conflict when engaging with you prehaps your personality brings there personality straight to that topic some how

 

I like Fi doms, but unhealthy Fi, coupled with immature baby Te makes for a very stubborn person.

I usually just let them believe whatever it is they want to believe unless it affects me in some way. Then I'll try to Ti-reason with them. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

However, I wouldn't say I've an issue with Fi per se; just the user.

 

Fight me woman!!!

 

Not at all, or more accurately: not by definition.
People with all kinds of functions are completely different and even within the same personality type can clash on all sorts of topics.
Sometimes people with Ti and Fi might attract because they have a similar but different way of looking at things but they can respectfully come together on these issues even though they get at them from completely opposite directions.

It's useless to generalize like this about functions and types. Half the world has Ti, half the world has Fi. In my experience, most people get along if they just try to.

 

Not inherently no. My closest friend is INTP (Ti dom, Fi last function!) and we understand each other very well (I am a Fi dom... Ti is my last function.) I have a lot of respect for him, and vice versa. We have a lot of the same views/ideas about the world, they just originate from a different internal system (both are rational.) Mature people realise that 'thinking'/'feeling' are both incomplete perspectives that can and do exist simultaneously. Recognizing a difference in goals/communication without denigrating or devaluing what Fi or Ti has to offer is tantamount to getting them to play well together. Self awareness is key in that regard. We both benefit immensely from each other's strengths.

I really don't like the idea that the Fi user has to be healthy for the Ti to get along with it. It's a two way street. Ti can be just as immature, rigid, stubborn, immovable and WRONG, just like Fi. Immature Ti gets emotional when it's values/goals are crossed or thwarted, just like Fi does, Ti is just not reacting to emotional stimulus and therefore doesn't get the same stereotype.

 

Just wanted to interject here because it
distracted me. I am an INTP, and our feeling function is actually Extraverted. It is our last and weakest function, so you may not see it often, especially since we're introverts. If you are ever unsure, all TPs and FJs are Extraverted Feelers, and all TJs and FPs are Introverted Feelers. You can spot Introverted Feelers because they are, by default, Extraverted Thinkers. I just read a book about this called the Art of Speed Reading People, and it has helped me a lot.

 

I am not sure if there is such thing as an "absolute" Truth, but when I feel strongly about something my view on that particular issue is pretty much The Truth to me and I certainly don't like hearing a very relativist counter-argument. If I'm not in the mood for a proper discussion then I get angry and more or less say "I'm right, I don't see a better way, end of discussion." So while I'm not sure if I believe there is an absolute Truth, my mind tends to conduct itself in a very Truth oriented manner rather than a more conciliatory / exploring manner. When I set out to learn about an issue, usually my hope is to eventually make up my mind about it and add my stance towards that issue to part of who I am. I get intellectually, but also emotionally attached to issues.

One of the reasons I know I'm an INFP and not an INTP is because when really pushed, I'm far more likely to react emotionally (lashing out, putting up a cold wall) than to react intellectually / analytically. When pushed I become more attached than detached, though it may seem like I am acting detached and giving off "I don't give a fuck" vibes. I'm far more likely to think "wow how can any decent human being believe in that" on top of "wow he / she is so dumb / misguided" instead of just being critical of that person on an intellectual level. When someone disagrees with me on an issue I find important, I start questioning their intelligence AND character instead of just their intelligence. For me, these discussions are a matter of morals.

Disagreeing on a number of issues that I feel attachment to will severely hurt a person's chances of becoming close friends (or more) with me. I really look for people not just with a similar mind, but the same / similar heart. Sure that does not mean I can't appreciate them for their other qualities, such as them being someone who is generally a good person, but the gap and disconnect that can only come from a deeper resonance will be very evident.

 

Nope. Depends on the individual and how they wield their functions.

 

Inherently? You are talking about each being the demon function for the other.
See https://www.personalitycafe.com/cognitive-functions/35371-manifestation-demonic-fi-intps-2.html for excellent descriptions from Eric B and Matchbook.

 

I've noticed that generally, Fi and Fe clash more than Fi and Ti but there are all sorts of various type dynamics that can cause issues between Ti and Fi as well.

I've noticed INTPs tend to clash more with Se and Te while ISTPs tend to clash more with Ne and Te.

This is just anecdotal, though.

 

If I'm being honest sometimes Ti feels like it just tries to strip humanity of well...it's humanity. Let me examine and break down this system as a set of rules and principles, facts, logical consistencies. Sure, with systems that's fine. Looking, examining, breaking down people in a set of rules, facts, and logical consistencies feels like someone is putting you through a fucking logical grinder and trying to strip you of your damn soul.

"Your are middle age, have low IQ, low stamina, insufficient EQ, and a poor cardio vascular system, these statistics determine you will have a low quality of life, less likely to procreate, and more prone to depression and suicide. Beep boop beep."

There goes your hopes, dreams and desires down the drain. You're no longer a human anymore, just a statistical outcome. Have a nice life with that information.

Followed by "What? it's the truth? People are so sensitive." dems fightin words.

But that's why Ti needs and has Fe with it. Fe helps curbs one's words and coats them in a nicer way. Too much Ti and the person loses any idea that these facts also can potentially cause pain to people, the Fe user helps deliver those facts less painfully, allowing for more wide spread and acceptance of the Ti information. As much as we like to hate on it, sugar coating has it's use on occasion.


And I imagine Ti's issues with Fi is that Fi is very partial to things and is attached to ideas and information that ti sees as either logically inconsistent, irelevant, or just flat out makes no sense. So an arguement goes: "I like/believe in this thing!" "So what if you like/believe in it! It doesn't make sense." Ti wants Fi to get it's emotional sticky fingers off everything and just look at the logical content without bias. They might think "Just because you feel strongly about something does not make it a fact."

 

If I'm being honest sometimes Ti feels like it just tries to strip humanity of well...it's humanity. Let me examine and break down this system as a set of rules and principles, facts, logical consistencies. Sure, with systems that's fine. Looking, examining, breaking down people in a set of rules, facts, and logical consistencies feels like someone is putting you through a fucking logical grinder and trying to strip you of your damn soul. [...]

I had to laugh, because, of course, that post is exactly the truth. It's like I said before -- in my experience, ITP and IFP understand each other perfectly well (see: above post, I couldn't write a better description), we'll just entirely disagree: on whether approaching things that way makes sense (heh!) or is a bad thing (there, one for each of us :wink-new.

(NB: the correct answer is that it does make sense. Naturally. And this is just a fact, so don't get all sensitive. Beep boob beep.)


Anyway, issues? Yeah, sure. They follow from that. And if your horizon asymptotically approaches the size of dot, while simultaneously your belief expands thinking you see the universe, it will clash. Typically like L P said, you tell me you feel X, I tell you that makes no sense, and off we go.

But the moment you have learned to roll your eyes and let go, there aren't any specific issues left, unless there literally is only one thing that both want to do. Then you get an almighty clash of stubbornness. But given that this is no different from any two stubborn people colliding, it's more an indirect result of these two types, nothing to do with F vs. T in particular.

 

I can’t think of any clash I’ve had with Ti and Fi. Being fellow perceivers we give each other space to think or feel independently. I’m sure if in close quarters when their decisions might affect me more, then I suppose there could be problems, but perceivers usually respect each other’s independent thoughts and decisions and I doubt that I would allow myself to be in close quarters permanently with a Ti user whose Ti I didn’t respect and didn’t respect my Fi.

It’s not like I don’t meet Ti users or Fi users who I think are inexperienced or lacking—- I do. And then there are those whose experience perception and decision making are very impressive. So... I like finding equality or higher to learn from. The great thing is how individual each Ti or Fi user is.

 

Not necessarily. No functions innately conflict with one another, it depends on the attitudes of the people with those functions. I have an INTP and possibly an ISTP friend and we don't have any problems.

 

I usually got plenty of issues with people who feel negatively frequently. It's an added bonus if they have Fi

Very much about the user / case, not the function itself. I love healthy, charming Fi users

 

I don’t usually care for Fi being used unhealthy

But I can easily say the same about almost any function
I also do not care for Ti used unhealthily either (which I tend to notice the most predominantly in well unhealthy IxTPs :laughing:

Both sides look sorta looney tunes if they are unhinged and preaching