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Actually what I have noticed is that there are several types of ENTP females. It can be relatable to the enneagram and it also can have some deal with general division of ENTP into subtypes, but I wanted to make an emphasis on females. We all know that some traits are typical for all ENTP ladies as non-conformism, intelligence, rebelliousness, charm, wit, they are averse to rigid rules that make no sense, averse to authority, hate boredom, not afraid of changing things, and can work in male-dominated fields. ENTP females feel very comfortable surrounded by males.

So okay, the ENTP female subtype 1. She is a typical tomboy, confident, loud, obnoxious, eccentric, energetic, blunt, honest, relies heavily on logic, harsh, direct and full of that crazy Ne. She is extremely enthusiastic and has that child-like vibe and natural curiosity. She is imaginative, not particularly sensitive and extremely independent. She is opinionated and doesn't like to seem weak. She is not afraid to compete and plays to win. She is also an incredible devil's advocate, can argue with anyone about anything and is not afraid to speak up her mind. She is never afraid to show her rebellious side. She likes to push the limit just to see how far she can go. She may do something just to piss off people(but strangely still well liked and respected). She may have a hard time fitting into typical gender roles. Her tertiary Fe is very playful, she likes to tease people, knows which buttons to push, but also she is very empathetic. She maybe also be very brave and courageous.


The ENTP subtype 2 can easily be mistyped as a Feeler. The ENTP subtype 2 woman can find it difficult to tell whether she is an ENTP, or an ENFP, or even maybe an INFJ... She appears very soft, rather agreeable, easygoing and dreamy to the people around. She is usually clumsy, out-of-space and forgetful. She may be open or have social anxiety(and thus appear very shy and somewhat NF'ish). She knows how to do tact and appear very friendly, gentle, nice, she talks sweet. She may look quite feminine and has very child-like vibes. You need to look underneath to discover her true self. She might be accidently (or not) flirty and a magnet for guys. And if you talk to her you might be surprised by her dark sarcastic remarks(usually to those who can understand) and how smart, intelligent, and logical she is. She may be considerate of the feelings of others and be caring, but not really comfortable with her own emotions. Learn more about her hobbies and you discover tons of them, including some hard-sciences. Don't be fooled, she is a rational and can put emotions aside, as well as to make a most logical decision after careful analyzing).


The ENTP female subtype 3 is somewhat a mix of ENTP and INTP. This ENTP woman may think that she is an introvert(although all the ENTP females may have their introverted sides, as ENTP is the least extroverted type, but for this current ENTP subtype it has more influence). This girl is calm, quite, reserved, laid-back, very analytical, may remind an absent-minded professor. She usually appears very serious, even though she can be lost in her thoughts and make simple mistakes. She also has a goofy and playful side, but not willing to show it to the world so much. She doesn't miss the chance to make a sarcastic remark and say something witty. This type of girl is somewhat private and don't like to let everyone in. Although she may go to the party and make over 100 acquaintances and go wild, usually she keeps herself under control. She is not a fan of people and actually prefer a small circle, but she has no problem in communication and won't hesitate going to an even full of unknowns. She also doesn't get into useless debates unless they are helpful and give really good insights.

The ENTP female subtype 4 also has a hard time fitting into gender roles. This kind of ENTP female is a goofball, forgetful, enthusiastic, awkward, laid-back, and childish. This type may seem bubbly and happy 24/7, even though it is not true. They may appear as fools, but only on surface. This female can come up with pranks and jokes and likes to make people smile around her. She is not perceived as softie yet she is perceived as a shining sun. She may or may not enjoy being the center of attention, but she usually occurs in the spotlight. She likes teasing people around and may have been a class clown. She appears wise, protective of her loved ones. She generally has that optimistic aura and well liked by other people. She may have million friends and acquaintances, enjoying large parties and events. She may be a very outgoing and likable nerd, who simply enjoys life. Her awkwardness even make her cute.

These are actually my observations on female ENTPs, whose thinking process is the same yet produces different outputs. I was wondering about the female subtypes cause ENTP females are ones of the most obscure according to some forums. Considering typical gender roles, not every ENTP female acts as ENTP male counterpart, preferring putting a mask of other personalities. And taking fictional ENTP, textbook Subtype 1 may be Haruhi Suzumiya, Subtype 2 Elizabeth Bennet from the book, ENTP subtype 3 Juno and ENTP subtype 4 Mulan. And I which subtype is the closest to yours?
 
This was really insightful, thanks for taking the time to put it together!

As for your question: I resemble subtype 3 the most, but also have a lot in common with subtype 1. The only reason I didn't pick 1 is because "loud" and "obnoxious" don't particularly apply to me - I'm definitely more laid back. There are small elements of 2 and 4 that apply to me, too, but that depends on circumstances and who you're asking.

And as for being happy to turn up to events where I know practically no one - I'm actually going to a 21st tonight where that is exactly the case!
 
My subjective reality allows for gender fluidity.

I qualify.

I am sub-type: 0 Negative.

Description: This sub-type is disconnected from reality and needs to be purged, expeditiously.
type 0 negative? sees gender as fluid... disconnected from reality and needs to be purged

yes, I've heard of that type before, there's even a short documentary about them:
 
Hmmm, I fall in several of these categories. I would say I am a mix of all of them. Really, because ENTPs tend to be chameleons, it depends on where you are meeting them on what part of our personality shows up. Also, I am wondering if you took age into consideration for these observations?

1: I am pretty extroverted, extremely curious, blunt, not extremely girly (though I like make up and clothes and purses, to a point-not obsessed), doesn't like to look weak, have crazy Ne, not afraid to speak my mind, and am extremely independent. That corresponds to my enneagram 7w8. I was more like this type as a child and probably still lean slightly more this way more as an adult.

2: I am very aware of the feelings of others but and terrible with my own. I am easy going and almost too agreeable in most situations where I want to keep the feelings of others under control since they affect me so much. I don't have much social anxiety though. Most people that meet me comment on how "nice" I am (which actually makes me uncomfortable because I don't think I am nice as they think I am). I was probably more like this in my late teens/early 20s.

3: I am an exceptionally analytical person and when in work-like situations, am very serious and quiet. I tend to get annoyed when people come up to talk to me, especially if the topic is something I am not really interested in (although they can distract me with a good topic, although I don't like it because it makes my Ne go crazy and takes a while to settle it down to focus again). If you met me at work, you would probably think I was friendly and extroverted if you met me in the break room but most of the time I am at my desk working. This is something that has gotten stronger the older I get. I am assuming it is because of the developed Si.

4: Almost everyone, except my husband, sees me as "sunny". I tend to project it unintentionally but when I am home, I don't feel the need to have to be "on". Basically, the less you know me, the more happy go lucky I seem. I am very protective of my loved ones but I almost think that that is a universal ENTP parent thing more than a "type" of ENTP. It's not being "helicopter" (which I loath) but more like being very aware of your offspring and their needs and almost analytically making sure that they are being met. It's funny because when I was younger, I was more goofy and people didn't take me seriously some times and you could see they were genuinely surprised when I would start talking and serious and intelligent conversation came out.

Really though, it is interesting observation but I think you basically summed up different aspects of ENTP women based on your experience in certain circumstances. Chances are, those women you describe are 1s may be 3s at work or those that look like 4s when you socialize, are 1s at work. There is probably more of a leaning, but I am guessing you would rarely find one that mostly fits in one category in every area of their life.

If I put it in order at this point in my life I would say 1, 3, 4, 2.
 
LOL @desire machine !!

I was thinking on Type-0 when I posted that for sure!

Their catch phrase for the tour I seen them on was

"Type-0 Above ALL else; be A Man"

Thought it was fitting for anyone that actually knew them.
lol i loved type o negative. when I was in middle school there was a pool hall I used to go to and I remember playing a lot of type o negative on the jukebox. I would always play long songs to get my moneys worth and Black No1 was a favorite :)
 
do you guys really think there are entp subtypes? ...or is it more personality stuff that is kinda vague groupings that's being referred to as subtypes?
Lets mansplain in the female thread shall we?

I agree with you in that it is just a splintering of sorts.
We can fine tune it down to each individual habit if we
dig deep enough. Times that by amount of people that display it and presto...another stat.

I agree with Geo in this. Most likely we are all sub-types at different times.
I would assume this rings especially true with NP types. I could be wrong there though
if each type creates its own sub-types then it is a wash.
 
I agree with you in that it is just a splintering of sorts.
i wasn't really arguing one side or the other, I just wondering what others thought

I feel like with some types it does feel as if there is more than one type ... like ISFJs and INFPs ... tho perhaps its a matter of how aggressive they are when it comes to I-F- types .. because a bossy ennegram 1 or argumentative 8 INFP or ISFJ seems so much different than a more easy going less domineering I-F- type.

..and perhaps there are differences when it comes to functions, like some talk about people's 2nd or 3rd functions being more of less dominant from individual to the next

I'm just wondering if others feel there are perhaps concrete subtypes based on something like functions
 
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I'm just wondering if others feel there are perhaps concrete subtypes based on something like functions
I mean sure...thats what I was alluding too. There can be as many or as little
as people desire. The quicker way would be to make sub types about what
people do not do/act as appose to what they do, do or act like.

Most people are varied. Not too many people are ridged enough to be concrete.
If they are? We are outside of MBTI and into mental issues and social blocks due to
trauma and what not.
 
with typing people often its easy for me to type people because their personality reminds me so much of someone else I've known. ...and for some mbti I feel like w/ some mbti types its like as if there are two completely separate groups of similar personalities.. like w/ ISFJs there are like 3 people I know of that I've settled on as being ISFJ ( one tested as ISFJ) .. and to me the way they think comes across as entp and they're very easy going and almost extroverted in their manner.. except that their emotional preferences show that they are ISFJ, introverted preferences, like to be organized etc. and it makes sense that they are ISFJ just come across almost like an ENTP 6 or something ... and the thing is that group seem strikingly different than another group of ISFJs that I've known that are more agressive and domineering ... that cognitively seem very ISFJ introverted very S focused very much F guided, easily type as ISFJ but seem worlds apart from the other group of ISFJs I described.

Perhaps its just a difference in enneagrams. It comes across as a difference in the mbti functions though... but maybe that's just a matter of how they present their mbti functions rather than ability. w/ the more domineering ISFJ type if feels like there's never an N focus and when subjects go there N concepts are kinda bubbled as S things ... like look at what I know or look at what you know.. and the focus is on the superficial social aspects of having knowledge and not focusing on the actual N topic by itself. Whereas as w/ the less aggressive ISFJs when they focus on N stuff it feels like an ENTP. I guess because its the same functions as ENTP/INTP, but Ti is weaker than INTP so there is less a dominance of Ti compared to an INTP and because they're not as aggressive they're able to actually focus more on N concepts rather than just look at the superficial aspects of them like the more socially aggressive ISFJs.
 
Most people are varied. Not too many people are ridged enough to be concrete.
If they are? We are outside of MBTI and into mental issues and social blocks due to
trauma and what not.
I don't know, I tend to believe that people actually do concretely fall into mbti types. I think it might be in our DNA and correspond to actually physical aspects of our anatomy like what parts of the brain are developed more than others which lead to different reasoning styles.

... of course I take everything with a grain of salt and I am very skeptical of this and constantly going back and forth on the fence about it.

And even if there was some physical aspect that put people into discrete types, there would prob be lots of mixtures that the closer you look at it the less its all that discrete... and even if there are discrete types it shouldn't be using it to put people into boxes (I feel that should go w/o saying).. and there are endless other aspects that go into personality than just mbti.
 
I don't know, I tend to believe that people actually do concretely fall into mbti types. I think it might be in our DNA and correspond to actually physical aspects of our anatomy like what parts of the brain are developed more than others which lead to different reasoning styles.

... of course I take everything with a grain of salt and I am very skeptical of this and constantly going back and forth on the fence about it.

And even if there was some physical aspect that put people into discrete types, there would prob be lots of mixtures that the closer you look at it the less its all that discrete... and even if there are discrete types it shouldn't be using it to put people into boxes (I feel that should go w/o saying).. and there are endless other aspects that go into personality than just mbti.
Nothing to argue there. I will say that my post was for everything after one has ascertained their MBTI.
More specifically sub-types within MBTI are....nit picking?

MBTI to me is an in stone bit. We dont choose it, it was chosen for us by the people who
wrote the criteria for meeting their perceived types of people. Isn't that enough? Beyond that
it would be a different system. Not sub types within.

If we are going to say there are mutipul sub types of personality then we have really
just come full circle back to MBTI/Enna/Socionics....and so it goes. Essential they are the sub types.

We are just deconstructing it down to a more varied construction. At a certina point it becomes
everything. When we deconstruct to further minutia it is no longer a construct of any validity.
 
I don't know, I tend to believe that people actually do concretely fall into mbti types. I think it might be in our DNA and correspond to actually physical aspects of our anatomy like what parts of the brain are developed more than others which lead to different reasoning styles.

... of course I take everything with a grain of salt and I am very skeptical of this and constantly going back and forth on the fence about it.

And even if there was some physical aspect that put people into discrete types, there would prob be lots of mixtures that the closer you look at it the less its all that discrete... and even if there are discrete types it shouldn't be using it to put people into boxes (I feel that should go w/o saying).. and there are endless other aspects that go into personality than just mbti.
You know my thoughts on MBTI being DNA/determined in utero. I think these "subtypes" are really just enneagram tendencies, situational aspects of our personality, or where they are in development of their cognitive functions/maturity. I will go back to my hypothesis (or as my husband called scientific hypothesis, throwing darts and seeing what will stick) about the differences between people of the same type. I believe that the strength of the letter in your type will determine some of these enneagram tendencies which may pull other type behavior into your personality. For example, if you are just barely an "E", using the above categories, you might tend to lean #3 because some of the INTP traits might come out in certain circumstances because Ti is close to equal to Ne. If you are only slightly T, you might tend to lean 2 or 4. However, in all circumstances, there are pieces of each category you might have in certain circumstances.

Also, I think most people tend to get a little more balanced in their letters as they age, I know I was only slightly Thinking and really far over Perceiving and Extroverted when I was younger. I am very solidly Thinking now and I am less P and E which I think correspond to my Si developing. My iNtuitive is only slightly less, but it is still high.
 
Personally though, I think the MBTI types are broad enough and it is really stretching it to get it into smaller categories. People are too complex.
Agreed Geo. I would even stretch complex into (sub types just for fun!) malleable for adaptation of happenings in their life which convolutes it even further.
 
I'm the most feminine ENTP I know in real life, but I was bought up in a very conservative community, so it's not really surprising.
Uh, so I'm going to have to put 2.

I know an ENTP 1 and and ENTP 4 though (female), so I do see what you mean!
 
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