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INTP Male - Attraction and Behavior

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#1 ·
I posted it here and not in the other section for Love etc, since I thought NTs would less likely visit that section - or maybe not most level headed NTs ( not in emotional/romantic state ). ** You may move the topic there if necessary **

The story begins. We are classmates until now and I have noticed his interest in me since 1st year (we're on 2nd year, 1st semester now). I say this because I am an INTJ and it comes intuitively based on previous experiences and general observation of people ( I hope not to sound presumptuous, and I won't explain everything I type here like this one.). To back it up, I have seen him staring (sometimes in a sweet way, sometimes in an observant way) at me and glancing at me when I'm in view. I observe him through my periphery ( I don't directly look at his direction but keep an angle where I can see his actions. ) and I hide my trail through extraversion (friendliness to other classmates and being clumsy and silly).

Ever since I recognized this, I decided to brush it off since he wasn't my type and I wasn't interested in his personality. He was very persistent though, he made friends with my common friends and started going with us after class for dinner or just chilling in a cafe for hours. I was aware that he was doing this in pursue of something, since if I am going to speed read him, he is not the person to be doing it normally.

I let things flow, and waited on what extent will he continue doing his pursuit. So I started giving him hints about me, my job, hobbies, and general perception of life. He also shared somethings, like he is into sports and he's the adventurous type of guy who likes travel. I was just surprised when I knew that he stopped his sport and started weight lifting because I mentioned to him I was into gym exercises. We both have pet dogs as well.

He is generally very quiet when I'm with the group and he speaks more when I'm not. I have to open up topics to him on our common grounds just to have a conversation (sometimes I feel it's too serious for him, and repetitive). When he is not seated close to me he gives that look in his eyes like he wants to hug me and just be close to me. Which he was able to do when I became responsive to his eye contact and smiling back at him to let him feel accepted and that mutual feeling of being close with each other. What baffles me is his silence when he sits beside me. Deep inside me I want to hold his hand, hug him, or tell him I want to kiss him, he would just sit there scrolling on his facebook app, and reluctantly facing at me when he speaks.

I'm the type of person who let things naturally unfold, especially when I am not decided to commit to it.
I guess I had the wrong move last week, when on our last class of the week I came in late and there he was seated 3 rows away on my left where he usually sits. He then transferred a row closer where I was, he was giving me his usual excited glances and smiles, during that time I was battling with my emotions and logic - that I didn't want to waste his time or hurt him by letting our lovebird ways go on and then I decide I don't want to be in a relationship with him. So, what I did was just give him a normal glance without the longer than usual eye contact and without the affirming smile. He tried to repeat that 3x until he figured what I meant.

It really hurt me when I saw the colors around him instantly vanish and become gray and pale. His lively posture became sulky and he started projecting on his cellphone. You can really see his heart drop. Middle of the class he decided to go out which he passed by behind me, when he came back I gave a blank stare at him when he was nearing me (to let him know I was aware he's back), he had a smile on his face and he faced me while passing infront of me ( well my head was lying on the desk so most that I saw were his legs and crotch).

I left abruptly after the class, I didn't say goodbye anymore. I myself is too avoidant and would protect my emotions. Later that evening I wanted to undo my actions, so I messaged him asking a nonesense page on a social media. He responded, a bit bland. When we had our class this week, I tapped him on his arm and seated a chair away from him which was unoccupied. He changed alot, he shied away and avoided looking at me. I tried to make him comfortable by getting his attention and obviously staring at him with a smile. He wasn't giving me the same look and smile as before, I was really shocked that he would make that decision too fast and almost close out.

The week is over, he no longer goes out with us. I still see him glancing at me, but I pretend to be oblivious because I wanted him to approach me. I did not ruin our friendship, I am still open to him. I think I disappointed him big time when I did not reciprocate him last week. In my mind, is he willing to waste that 1 year of acquaintance just because of he had that deep impression of me being unsure? I tried to undo it, but what does he want me to do or say to let him know that I am still a friend and he can be open to me.

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#2 ·
I left abruptly after the class, I didn't say goodbye anymore. I myself is too avoidant and would protect my emotions. Later that evening I wanted to undo my actions, so I messaged him asking a nonesense page on a social media. He responded, a bit bland. When we had our class this week, I tapped him on his arm and seated a chair away from him which was unoccupied. He changed alot, he shied away and avoided looking at me. I tried to make him comfortable by getting his attention and obviously staring at him with a smile. He wasn't giving me the same look and smile as before, I was really shocked that he would make that decision too fast and almost close out.
Wow. Even reading this, I'm confused about what your decisions are.

Do you know what you want, i.e. a potential relationship vs a platonic friendship? Your confusing this guy.

Decide what you want and communicate it to him. (Verbal, writing or however.) But playing the hot - cold - hot - cold game is going to do little more than confuse him.
 
#3 ·
The week is over, he no longer goes out with us. I still see him glancing at me, but I pretend to be oblivious because I wanted him to approach me. I did not ruin our friendship, I am still open to him. I think I disappointed him big time when I did not reciprocate him last week. In my mind, is he willing to waste that 1 year of acquaintance just because of he had that deep impression of me being unsure? I tried to undo it, but what does he want me to do or say to let him know that I am still a friend and he can be open to me.
It's your fault for playing mind games with him. Personally, I hate these kinds of mind games and shut off anyone who does it with me. Minds games, to me, sounds like the person has some sort of fear in the inability to say what they mean or express what they mean. You should sort out your own emotions first before getting back to him and explaining everything to him if you want him to understand. It sounds like even you are unsure of your own emotions. If this is the case, how do you expect him to reciprocate anything back? It's you, not him.
 
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#5 · (Edited)
Ok. So basically you're telling me that there's this INTP guy who has the feels for you, and has had them for a year. And in that time he hasn't communicated feelies to anyone else that you've seen, and he's never wavered in his silent communication to you that he's interested. Furthermore, you at first didn't share those feelings, but now you do. Or at least you came to a place where you didn't reject them, and had fairly consistently communicated that back through the same awkward-as-heck silent medium of glances and taps on the shoulder and such.

Now... at that point in time, when you were in "not rejecting" mode, you felt like you wanted to have close contact with him, involving hugging, kissing, and the sort? And you were weirded out by his lack of making-the-first-move.

Then, later, when he kept up with the same sort of nonverbal messages, you decided that you wanted to reject him after all.

And then you decided that you didn't want to reject him.

And now you are confused as to what you should do.

Am I right in summarizing what you've said?
Because if my summary is accurate, then you've just delivered this poor guy a pretty nasty shock. And let me just translate a few things to you:

A: If he's been not-so-subtly chasing after you for a year, then he wants a relationship. That's a lot of focus, and it takes determination to maintain. This guy does want a relationship. With you.

B: If he hasn't directly told you that he wants to date you by now, he's probably not going to. A lot of us INTP people have a tendency to wait for the other person to make the first move, and it sounds like this guy does. Call it a strength, a weakness, whatever. He's not probably going to ask with words until he's sure you'll say yes.

C: You've been communicating to him that you want a romantic relationship too. By spending time alone with him, telling him more and more about your personal life, not rejecting his advances for a year, and by your communication with him, you've essentially been telling him yes.

D: That means that in his mind (and probably in yours) the two of you have been involved in a relationship that is more-than-friends. For at least a few months, yes? And you no-doubt have felt that too. In fact, it was probably the reason you decided to shut him down.

E: When you shut him down, you essentially told him that you were no longer interested. And that his last year of being infatuated/communicating that he likes you in that way was a wasted effort. It's going to sting. Hell, it's going to be incredibly painful for him. You yourself said that you noticed pain in him.

F: If by "I am still open to him" you mean anything like "I want to date him after all," then you need to be honest and open about it. You need to use words to tell him how you feel, and you need to ask him how he feels. Without being open there's no way the two of you can establish trust at this point. And even if he does go back to chasing after you, unless you actually deal with this issue he's going to have some problems trusting you again. Because he did. If you don't want to date him, but you want to be friends, then you need to tell him that. Just... use real words, be blunt, and maybe a little gentle.

G: Please. Whatever you do, for both your sake and his, make up your mind. Open to dating, or not? Open to what, exactly?
 
#8 · (Edited)
Wow, that was spot on. I know it is my fault. I am very indecisive when it comes to romance, that is why I am asking help from INTPs as well. Please tell me what makes you fall in love again especially in my case.

I should be more verbal of my intentions and my feelings towards him then. If I see that he is still somehow willing to take me in again; how do I tell an INTP that I have hurt already that I want to reconcile from the offenses I have done? How do I show or say my affection towards him that he would be receptive to it?

Is there even a chance that an INTP like him will still be open to a relationship with me?
 
#7 ·
.... maybe you are trying to understand his emotions by stretching them in different directions? I wonder if this is a female instinct or something - I could see the survival benefits. Just don't take idle speculation so seriously in such a relatively safe setting. Actually get to know him directly, and then you don't have to ask anyone else.
 
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#9 ·
Make sure your actions and behavior match what you tell him. If you tell him that you like him, then do not ice him out like you did, punctually, this one time.
 
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#14 ·
I understand. I just thought that since he is the man in the relationship he will be the initiator. Though it seems that he is not that intentional.

I will be hoping for how things would be this week. Cheers!
 
#19 ·
@chelon
I believe that INTPs struggle with handling emotion in large part because of how when we do try to deal with them in the open as kids produces a painful reaction from those around us. It 'trains' us to hide it all, suppress it, etc...

He had feelings for you, was becoming emotionally attached, and your mixed signals resulted in lots of emotional pain where he was the most vulnerable. From you. It reinforces the suppression of emotion, the withdraw.

It can be overcome, but you have to be aware of how he was hurt by what you were doing. It isn't awkwardness of not being sure where to go as much as it is walls and shields up to try to protect himself from someone who hurt him. More than just being direct about how you feel, you have to be direct about acknowledging how you hurt him AND apologize for it, or he will always be left wondering if it is just going to happen again, those shields will never come down for you, and a relationship with him will be functionally impossible.



Whatever it is that led you to approaching relationships like this ... it's wrong. It's going to lead you into trouble and pain, and it's going to hurt other people in the process. People's emotions aren't toys to play around with. You can probably get away with it for a while with some other personality types, but definitely not INTPs. It will shut us down and turn us away faster than just about anything else. Maturity, honesty, and compassion for who you may be affecting is the foundation that you need to build. It will not only prevent you from dealing unnecessary pain, but it will protect you as well, from those who would do it to you ... you would know what to look for.
 
#20 ·
I just cant find the strength to talk to him about my feelings for him. He may seem besotted but he might not feel as strongly as I.
We dont have the time now since it's the semestral break. Maybe when we see each other in November. Hopefully things will be lighter.

I love you , by Celine Dion hurts. :D
 
#22 ·
I'm glad I'm not at school any more (older) because it sounds unnecessary silly and complicated.
To be fair, I was single and my hand was my best companion during school. No regrets, although I might have felt "uncool" at times.

Relationships are a waste of time and energy when you are young, if you ask me. 99% of them are going to fail anyway and there are so many more interesting things to do than "looking for companionship" when you, as an individual, haven't matured enough and are too stupid to know what you really want (generic "you", and it's valid for both men and women).