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Is it possible for an ESTP to mistype as ENFJ?

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#1 ·
I mean, I know any type can mistype as any type, but this one seems really unlikely.


This new pal that I have, I was dead set on him being ESTP so I sent him the test via.......16 personalities *shudders*. I expected him to maybe score a bit off like ISTP or ESFP, but never this. He said the profile fit him like a glove.


So.....

Crappy dichotomy test?
Another S who wants to be N?
Enneagram at play?
A more than average emotional ESTP?

He says he always wanted a politician and knows how to motivate mobilize people, but then I think a lot of ESTPs see themselves that way. They are people-oriented sweet talkers after all.

Or am I just that arrogant that IO assume I intrinsically know everyone's type? :/
 
#3 ·
I believe ESTP & ENFJ really can look similar
Depending not your two polarized exaggerated stereotype trope versions
But
1. I do believe an ENFJ male depending on enneagram and social culture can really emulate an ESTP
2. It’s the opposite but I can in some ways I know appear at a glance ENFJish in a few ways as far as a reverse.
Point I wonder if possibly in some cases with A male ENFJ & a female ESTP if it can appear at a glance that way

I actually mistook a few male ENFJ recent as wrong
1st I kept thinking was ENTJ he was very type 3
Most recent is my boss I could of swore was ESTP he lines up that way on the surface
However after truly getting to know him, he is such an ENFJ I laugh I ever mistyped him.
I know that is reverse of what your gut is saying but I do wonder if he may truly be an ENFJ coming off SP
Maybe?
 
#4 ·
Well they could look similar behaviorally, considering the shared functions, and both being relatively strong in Fe and Se. Wouldn't say your reasoning would by why though, but it depends on the person.
 
#5 ·
I've seen this interesting video on "Peacocking" floating around here where it premises that one might be prone to mistyping due to ignoring what they're consciously good at (dominant + auxiliary functions) by, instead, focusing on their unconsciously valued (tertiary + inferior) "demons" or weak points--basically we can sometimes overcompensate for the parts of our personality that don't come naturally.

It's tricky with ESTPs because if their Fe is particularly developed, they might believe that they prefer it to Ti. One of my best pals is an ESTP and he likes to think of himself as this charismatic, ultra generous, uplifting, inspirational "PEOPLE" person (and he is) but when he gets too far up on his high horse, I usually have to remind him that many times there's a catch or underlying (potentially self-enriching) motive he claims to not consciously be aware of. Lol
 
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#8 ·
What makes you think he's ESTP over ENFJ?
Pragmatic, direct, attacks problems aggressively. Sometimes harsh and blunt in his assessment of others. He makes quick decisions, sometimes too much for his own good, although I concede he's not reckless either. He calculates stuff and does his best not to derail. On a superficial level, he has a typical Se appearance (Full sleeve tattoos, sports clothing). ExxJs in my experience usually prefer a ''professional'' look.

I agree with the ''peacocking'' effect (hehehehe......pee-cocking...). He likes to push people to better themselves, but I think he isolates that part of his personality and wants to see it as his whole thing. Hence, why the ENFJ profile really resonates with him.

There's also a matter of Ni. I don't see much of it. He often goes on about projects that could pay off in the future, but literally every SPs I have encountered do this. This whole ''Could make it big with this'' mentality....that never pans out (Lower Ni).

In contrast to my ENTJ bud whom I always get irritated when discussing with him because he always speaks in broader terms and dismisses evidence at hand until it's convenient for him to do so. He's actually the one who made made see what Ni/Se is like in real life.

But hey, like I said, maybe I am taking this Jungian thing too much at face value and I'm just dead set on seeing him this way. I really don't know him all that well yet and he did tell me that due to rough childhood circumstances, he grew up having to street smart his way out of life, whilst giving in to immediate pleasures wherever he could. I guess it is possible that he was raised ESTP-ish and still has a residue shell of that.
 
#9 ·
No, ESTPs are fundamentally different from ENFJs through both a Jungian and MBTI perspective.

Jung believed that the auxiliary function shared the orientation of the dominant function, when sufficiently differentiated and developed in the consciousness. He considered the tertiary to mostly be unconscious and sharing the orientation of the inferior. He also noted that sometimes the tertiary could be made conscious, but in being made conscious, it still carried the taint of the inferior.

The functions are better thought of not so much as eight functions completely separated by E/I, but instead the same four functions with varying proportions of E/I. For example, Jung noted that Extraverted Thinking types generally had a subjective factor to their thinking, and considered a pure Introverted Thinking type to have unconscious, extraverted functions.

In other words, to assert that ESTP and ESTJ would have completely different functions would not be Jungian, as they are both extraverts who prefer S and T with an extraverted lean. It is also not Jungian to assert that ESTP and ENFJ use the same functions in a slightly different order, as their top two functions would be opposite, and they would share little in common beyond being extraverts.

This viewpoint is also inconsistent with the MBTI dichotomies. ESTPs and ESTJs share a lot in common because they are both E + S + T + ES + ET + ST + EST, while ESTPs are otherwise complete opposites of ENFJs beyond both being extraverts.