[Yuriko1412]

Hi so I am pretty sure I am an ISFP and a 8w7. Both fit me really good, but I didn't see anyone else have this combination and I saw other people say that this isn't possible. Why shouldn't it be if I may ask?

 

[Silwin]

Oh well, because 8 are described as "aggressive" (especially with w7) while Isfp are considered calm and peaceful. I don't think it's completely impossible, but it is unlikely (like, for instance, an Entj 9).
If it can help you, I also really feel close to the 8 fear of being controlled by others and also to their desire to protect themselves. But when I look at my overall personality I realize I behave like a 9, I have the same need for a "peace of mind" and the same negative traits (laziness, avoidance etc.) and I understood I relate to 8 because I'm a 9w8.
Isfp 7 are more likely, so if I were you I'd look closer at 7 as a core type, or look a bit into 9w8. If you don't relate to either and feel you are an 8 that's ok, enneagram and mbti are two different systems so "weird" combinations are definitely possible.

 

[Yuriko1412]

Oh well, because 8 are described as "aggressive" (especially with w7) while Isfp are considered calm and peaceful. I don't think it's completely impossible, but it is unlikely (like, for instance, an Entj 9).
If it can help you, I also really feel close to the 8 fear of being controlled by others and also to their desire to protect themselves. But when I look at my overall personality I realize I behave like a 9, I have the same need for a "peace of mind" and the same negative traits (laziness, avoidance etc.) and I understood I relate to 8 because I'm a 9w8.
Isfp 7 are more likely, so if I were you I'd look closer at 7 as a core type, or look a bit into 9w8. If you don't relate to either and feel you are an 8 that's ok, enneagram and mbti are two different systems so "weird" combinations are definitely possible.

Thank you! I looked at 7 as a core type and I do see myself as a 7 but I also see myself as an 8... it's kinda difficult because it kinda depends. I can be aggressive as an 8 and impulsive as a 7. Maybe I'm a 7w8 but I think I'm more of an 8w7. I am a calm and peaceful person and do not want to hurt anyove empathy for them but I also feel easily attacked and tend to not hold back for a shirt while when mad. I am lazy but I don't avoid problems I have with people for example. I tend to be direct and just say if someone does something I don't find okay. But you really helped me because I now understand why people say that a isfp 8w7 shouldn't be able to work. Thanks again! ^^

 

[The Last]

Probably the most opposite things you could be.

Introverted Feeling described by Jung:
"It is principally among women that I have found the predominance of
introverted feeling. “Still waters run deep” is very true of such women.
They are mostly silent, inaccessible, hard to understand; often they hide
behind a childish or banal mask, and their temperament is inclined to
melancholy. They neither shine nor reveal themselves. As they are mainly
guided by their subjective feelings, their true motives generally remain
hidden. Their outward demeanour is harmonious, inconspicuous, giving an
impression of pleasing repose, or of sympathetic response, with no desire
to affect others, to impress, influence, or change them in any way."

Enneagram 8 as of like anything I can find:
"The Asserter (the Eight)

Asserters are direct, self-reliant, self-confident, and protective"

"Enneagram 8: The Challenger

Eights are defined by their desire to be powerful and to avoid any vulnerability. They present a confident, assertive, and decisive image to others. Eights can be argumentative and intimidating; it is important to them to stand up for what they believe in and to protect those who are weaker than themselves.


Deepest Fear: Eights fear being vulnerable and powerless more than anything, and cope with this fear by always being strong and in control."

 

[Ecchi]

Super specific descriptions of functions are cancer, like above.

Fe = Momentary feelings.
Fi = Feelings they continue to collect.

Ne = Momentary intuition, not drawing from anything previous. (out on a limb)
Ni = Intuition they continue to collect. (this happened before under these conditions, so if these conditions present themselves again, it's likely to happen again)

Se = Momentary senses. (no internal physical order) (examples: reflexes, put things wherever they fit for convenience, impulse buying)
Si = Senses they continue to collect. (think muscle memory) (deep understanding of the physical quality/worth of something)

Te = Momentary thoughts. (getting from point A to point B)
Ti = Thoughts they continue to collect. (trivial/encyclopedic factual knowledge)

Enneagram 8 is not attached to any specific cognitive function, but a state of mind of wanting to be in control. Every function can arrive at that point, but I think it is inclined towards these functions in my view: Se > Si > Te > Fi > Ne > Ni > Fe > Ti

 

[The Last]

Super specific descriptions of functions are cancer, like above.

That is literally just a quote from the guy who invented the system.

 

[Ecchi]

That is literally just a quote from the guy who invented the system.

So what? Theories have competing interpretations. I'm not a Jung dick sucker typology normie.

The one that is the most appealing to the end user is the best.

 

[The Last]

So what? Theories have competing interpretations. I'm not a Jung dick sucker typology normie.

The one that is the most appealing to the end user is the best.

Yeah you are right. I read Psychological Types and I think to myself "this is cancer" because I know your interpretation of MBTI will be superior.

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[Ecchi]

Yeah you are right. I read Psychological Types and I think to myself "this is cancer" because I know your interpretation of MBTI will be superior.

Dunning-Kruger effect | Definition, Examples, & Facts | Britannica

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The one that is used by the vast majority of the internet is the Myers-Briggs interpretation. It doesn't belong to Jung any more.

If you're not using what the majority is using, you will find yourself very short on people to discuss it with.

Personality theories exist to serve the needs of the end user.

 

[Yuriko1412]

Probably the most opposite things you could be.

Introverted Feeling described by Jung:
"It is principally among women that I have found the predominance of
introverted feeling. “Still waters run deep” is very true of such women.
They are mostly silent, inaccessible, hard to understand; often they hide
behind a childish or banal mask, and their temperament is inclined to
melancholy. They neither shine nor reveal themselves. As they are mainly
guided by their subjective feelings, their true motives generally remain
hidden. Their outward demeanour is harmonious, inconspicuous, giving an
impression of pleasing repose, or of sympathetic response, with no desire
to affect others, to impress, influence, or change them in any way."

Enneagram 8 as of like anything I can find:
"The Asserter (the Eight)

Asserters are direct, self-reliant, self-confident, and protective"

"Enneagram 8: The Challenger

Eights are defined by their desire to be powerful and to avoid any vulnerability. They present a confident, assertive, and decisive image to others. Eights can be argumentative and intimidating; it is important to them to stand up for what they believe in and to protect those who are weaker than themselves.


Deepest Fear: Eights fear being vulnerable and powerless more than anything, and cope with this fear by always being strong and in control."

Yea everything is scarily accurate! Thanks!

 

[Silwin]

I am a calm and peaceful person and do not want to hurt anyove empathy for them but I also feel easily attacked and tend to not hold back for a shirt while when mad. I am lazy but I don't avoid problems I have with people for example. I tend to be direct and just say if someone does something I don't find okay.

7 and 8 can be both aggressive and "strong" (especially if they are the wing of each other), the difference though is that 8 are more concerned by anger, indipendence, power, 7 are "escapists" which means they are more concerned by having different experiences in order to escape from pain.
Another number that can seem aggressive is counterphobic 6, which is basically a 6 that protects itself from its fears by "challenging" these fears, instead of running away (like a phobic 6) and in some cases I think this 6 can be confused with 8.
I suggest you read about the istinctual variants too for each number, they are very helpful. They will give you a more specific description of your number. For example, an social 4 is different from an self-preservation 4 or from a sexual 4, despite being the same number they have a different approach.