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I have tested frequently as both but I tend to lean toward 5w4, especially in the appearance section. I do see "the interaction of the sixish mistrust and the fiveish analysis makes it difficult for them to get close to very many people" as applying to me when I am around others. I am guilty of the unbalanced traits of a 5w4 but I'm more interested in sciences and the 'callings' of a 6 wing.

Somehow, I consistently test as tertiary 4w5 and usually as secondary 1w2 (though once it came out 1w9)

I would type myself as a 5wB, 1w2, 4w5
 
"5/6 is interested in fitting in, but not standing out, unless there is extreme identification with ideas, in which case there can be a tortured kind of threeish social aggression."

The pick up artist 'Mystery' that the blog below shows as a type 5 would be the perfect example of the above quote, with his invented concept of 'peacocking'.

I did an Enneagram test a while ago and scored 19 points in '5', 18 points in '6', 16 points in '9' and 15 points in '1'. Seemingly it's not rare for people to feel that they're a 5w9. Reading the blog: The Enneagram Blogspot made me conclude that I'm most likely a 5w6 where my 6 wing is fairly balanced and giving me that type 9 sense of inner peace. I suppose that also probably makes me a 5-9-3 tritype, 'the explainer'.

I also relate pretty well to the type 5 sx/so/sp descriptions, mostly the social one. When it comes to my 6 wing though, I'm generally not (consciously) distrusting of people, except that in the past I've had feelings of inadequacy and it took me a while to believe that my girlfriend was really into me (5-9-3 tritype trait?).

Me being a 5w6 also fits with me being an INTJ. I'd almost be inclined to think that '5' represents my Ni/Te, '6' my tertiary Fi and '3' my inferior Se. Perhaps the '8' leadership comes from Ni/Te being balanced by a more developed 'Fi'.
 
after simply reading the first part of the article before even getting to any parts about the wings, this is what I've got. so now tell me which I am. madman or genius. I'm thinking a bit more twords madman myself. 387,420,489 . that's right, 387,420,489.

wanna know what this means? simple. that's how meny possible personality combinations there are in the enneagram. and that's including if you're counting the nine possible levels of mental health the persona may be experianceing at the moment.
now I suck with numbers, but I used a calculator, and I think you'll find my proscess is pretty good. especially for it being the first time I've even been able to show or explain any sort of process with anything math related. (that was my whole problem with algebra XP)

so here we go. this is how I got that number. I took it in steps working my way up from the small scale to bigger and bigger untill it coverd the entire tri type combination possibility. first there are the 9 levels of mental health and the 3 "distinct flavors" mentioned for every number personality 1-9 in the enneagram. these are the 2 things I think are the smallest parts in the combination.


3-------l (5w4, 5w6, and rare but still possible 5w5)
______l
______l-81
3-l___ l (flavors. Sp, Sx, and Sc.)
__l-27-l
9-l (mental health levels)


this diagram shows how I figured that there are NOT 54, but really 81 subtypes of 5. and every other number 1-9 for that matter. because looking at it this way, there are a possible 27 combinations between the 9 lvls of MH, and the 3 flavors Sx,Sc, and Sp. that's the lowest part there. now you have that possible 27 between each of the 3 main 5 types. 5w5, 5w6, and 5w4, so that's 3 X 27 right? 81 combinations of 5 in total. same for other 1-9.


so now we got 81 for each of the 9 types right? 81 9 times. so:

9---l
___l-729
81-l

729 combinations between all 9 types. but it doesn't stop there right? there are 3 numbers in a tri type, and that's what your enneagram comes in right? a tri type! so this tir type is a combination of any 3 numbers 1-9 correct? (wings already counted) well here's what I did next.


9--------------l (2nd # in tritype. 1-9)
___________l-531,441
81--l_______l (in each of above nine, are 81 combos. with possible number below.)
___ l-59,049-l
729-l (combos in 1-9.the last number in the tri type. can be any of these.)


now what the heck is this you'r wondering? well here we go with the explination. so the last number in the tri type being 1 of the possible 729 various combinations of variations in the 1-9 types. this combins with the same posible 729 combinations of variations that could appear as the 2nd number of the type, and the first.

but to make sure I'm putting the numbers together right.. well I don't just times the possible 729 for 3rd type with the possible 729 for 2nd type. especially because with enneagram, the 2nd type personality is affected by the 3rd type personality. so the more combinations that are possible with the 3rd type, the same combinations are possible in the 2nd type when you consider it alone. but when thinking of the whole tri type, and that the 3rd type affects the 2nd...well now there are combinations between the possible combinations of the 2nd and possible combinations of the 3rd. right?

so, each of the 1-9 have 81 possible subtypes. and the 729 is just the 81 subtypes of the 9 main types counted together. but now in the 2nd number of the tritype, the 3rd number can beconsiderd a subpart. right? the 3rd is a subpart of the 2nd, and both a subpart of the 1st. because each lower number affects the higher ones. so back to the diagram

9--------------l (2nd # in tritype. 1-9)
___________l-531,441
81--l_______l (in each of above nine, are 81 combos. with possible number below.)
___ l-59,049-l
729-l (combos in 1-9.the last number in the tri type. can be any of these.)

I'm doing a similar thing with the 2nd number as I did with the 3rd, except that this time I am factoring in how all the combinations of the 3rd affect the 2nd. the possible combinations between the 3rd AND the 2nd. so I'm starting with smaller and working to bigger. the number 729 may seem big, but those are for the 3rd number which is a smaller part of your personality than the 2nd. so the 729 total from the 3rds combos is smaller than the 81 subtypes found in each of the 9 main types that togather make up the 729 combinations for the 2nd number (not counting the affects of the 3rds comniations obviously.)
so, lets say the 2nd number of the trutype is 1. there are 81 types of 1 (again not including the effects of the lower parts (the 3rd number of the tritype) will have on it) and after counting each of these 81 subtypes, we can count that which ever one it turns out to be, it will be affected in one of 729 different ways, because that's how meny possible combinations exist in the 3rd number of the tritype which affcts the 2nd number. so for each of there 81 subs of the 1, there are 729 variations. finally, 81 X 729. we get 59,049. that's how meny possible variations of 1 we can get for the 2nd number of the tri type as affectd by the third.
now it's possible for any number 1-9 to be the second, and each one as we know know has 59,049 variations. that's 59,049 9 times. so, 59,049 X 9 gives us 531,441. those are the possible combinations/variations for the 2nd and 3rd numbers of the tritype.

PHEW!!! well, that was really quite a lot to go through wasn't it? perhaps we should just take a quick break and relaxe our brains for a bit. let everything sit for a minute so we can start again with our minds clear and ready for more.


AAAANNNY WAYS. so now we have 531,441 for the 2nd and 3rd numbers right? awsome. now, what aout the first and biggest number in our tritypes? yes that's right. the biggest. meaning we're almost done, so bear with me just alittle bit longer here. I'm almost through with all my crazy insanity. so, next diagram!

9------------------------l
__________________l-387,420,489
81-------l__________ l
_______l-43,046,721-l
531,441-l


now I'm sure we all get this one now right? this on is exactly the same as the last one except the bottum number is now bigger. so of corse, the resaulting numbers are now bigger as well. you could also look at the description and look for everytime I mentioned the 2nd and 3rd numbers of the tri type. and now you could use the same description if you switch ech "3rd" to a "2nd" and ech already existing "2nd" to a "1st".

so yes. this diagram means I used the same proscess and did the excact same thing between the number representing the combinations for the 2nd/3rd number of the tritype, and the 1st number for the tritype, as I did between the number representing the combinations for the 3rd number of the tritype, and the 2nd number of the tritype.

531,441 variations for each of the 81 subtypes of which ever number would be first mean 531,441 X 81 makeing 43,046,721. that's possible in ech of the 9 types, so that means 43,046,721 X 9 which makes 387,420,489. that's right, between all the possible combos for the 1st, for the 2nd, for the 3rd numbers of the tri type, and all the combinations between them there are a total of 43,046,721 possible variations of personality with in the enneagram theroy.

now of corse I said VARIATIONS, so of corse there arn't really 43,046,721 DISTINCT KINDS of personality. but this is basically all the even smallest little ways in which any 2 people you pick, no matter how similar, may be different from one another. even if thier tritype is the same. because although this was all about combinations with in the tri type, this took into account factores of thepersonality that arn't labeld with in the tritype. though they are apart of your personality that you can find and learn about through your tritype.


so, after all that hell I've just put you guys through, (and I appologize profusly. I really didn't think it would turn out that long.) what do you think? crazy or genius? I'm still thinkin crazy.
 
after simply reading the first part of the article before even getting to any parts about the wings, this is what I've got. so now tell me which I am. madman or genius. I'm thinking a bit more twords madman myself. 387,420,489 . that's right, 387,420,489.

wanna know what this means? simple. that's how meny possible personality combinations there are in the enneagram. and that's including if you're counting the nine possible levels of mental health the persona may be experianceing at the moment.
now I suck with numbers, but I used a calculator, and I think you'll find my proscess is pretty good. especially for it being the first time I've even been able to show or explain any sort of process with anything math related. (that was my whole problem with algebra XP)

so here we go. this is how I got that number. I took it in steps working my way up from the small scale to bigger and bigger untill it coverd the entire tri type combination possibility. first there are the 9 levels of mental health and the 3 "distinct flavors" mentioned for every number personality 1-9 in the enneagram. these are the 2 things I think are the smallest parts in the combination.


3-------l (5w4, 5w6, and rare but still possible 5w5)
______l
______l-81
3-l___ l (flavors. Sp, Sx, and Sc.)
__l-27-l
9-l (mental health levels)


this diagram shows how I figured that there are NOT 54, but really 81 subtypes of 5. and every other number 1-9 for that matter. because looking at it this way, there are a possible 27 combinations between the 9 lvls of MH, and the 3 flavors Sx,Sc, and Sp. that's the lowest part there. now you have that possible 27 between each of the 3 main 5 types. 5w5, 5w6, and 5w4, so that's 3 X 27 right? 81 combinations of 5 in total. same for other 1-9.


so now we got 81 for each of the 9 types right? 81 9 times. so:

9---l
___l-729
81-l

729 combinations between all 9 types. but it doesn't stop there right? there are 3 numbers in a tri type, and that's what your enneagram comes in right? a tri type! so this tir type is a combination of any 3 numbers 1-9 correct? (wings already counted) well here's what I did next.


9--------------l (2nd # in tritype. 1-9)
___________l-531,441
81--l_______l (in each of above nine, are 81 combos. with possible number below.)
___ l-59,049-l
729-l (combos in 1-9.the last number in the tri type. can be any of these.)


now what the heck is this you'r wondering? well here we go with the explination. so the last number in the tri type being 1 of the possible 729 various combinations of variations in the 1-9 types. this combins with the same posible 729 combinations of variations that could appear as the 2nd number of the type, and the first.

but to make sure I'm putting the numbers together right.. well I don't just times the possible 729 for 3rd type with the possible 729 for 2nd type. especially because with enneagram, the 2nd type personality is affected by the 3rd type personality. so the more combinations that are possible with the 3rd type, the same combinations are possible in the 2nd type when you consider it alone. but when thinking of the whole tri type, and that the 3rd type affects the 2nd...well now there are combinations between the possible combinations of the 2nd and possible combinations of the 3rd. right?

so, each of the 1-9 have 81 possible subtypes. and the 729 is just the 81 subtypes of the 9 main types counted together. but now in the 2nd number of the tritype, the 3rd number can beconsiderd a subpart. right? the 3rd is a subpart of the 2nd, and both a subpart of the 1st. because each lower number affects the higher ones. so back to the diagram

9--------------l (2nd # in tritype. 1-9)
___________l-531,441
81--l_______l (in each of above nine, are 81 combos. with possible number below.)
___ l-59,049-l
729-l (combos in 1-9.the last number in the tri type. can be any of these.)

I'm doing a similar thing with the 2nd number as I did with the 3rd, except that this time I am factoring in how all the combinations of the 3rd affect the 2nd. the possible combinations between the 3rd AND the 2nd. so I'm starting with smaller and working to bigger. the number 729 may seem big, but those are for the 3rd number which is a smaller part of your personality than the 2nd. so the 729 total from the 3rds combos is smaller than the 81 subtypes found in each of the 9 main types that togather make up the 729 combinations for the 2nd number (not counting the affects of the 3rds comniations obviously.)
so, lets say the 2nd number of the trutype is 1. there are 81 types of 1 (again not including the effects of the lower parts (the 3rd number of the tritype) will have on it) and after counting each of these 81 subtypes, we can count that which ever one it turns out to be, it will be affected in one of 729 different ways, because that's how meny possible combinations exist in the 3rd number of the tritype which affcts the 2nd number. so for each of there 81 subs of the 1, there are 729 variations. finally, 81 X 729. we get 59,049. that's how meny possible variations of 1 we can get for the 2nd number of the tri type as affectd by the third.
now it's possible for any number 1-9 to be the second, and each one as we know know has 59,049 variations. that's 59,049 9 times. so, 59,049 X 9 gives us 531,441. those are the possible combinations/variations for the 2nd and 3rd numbers of the tritype.

PHEW!!! well, that was really quite a lot to go through wasn't it? perhaps we should just take a quick break and relaxe our brains for a bit. let everything sit for a minute so we can start again with our minds clear and ready for more.


AAAANNNY WAYS. so now we have 531,441 for the 2nd and 3rd numbers right? awsome. now, what aout the first and biggest number in our tritypes? yes that's right. the biggest. meaning we're almost done, so bear with me just alittle bit longer here. I'm almost through with all my crazy insanity. so, next diagram!

9------------------------l
__________________l-387,420,489
81-------l__________ l
_______l-43,046,721-l
531,441-l


now I'm sure we all get this one now right? this on is exactly the same as the last one except the bottum number is now bigger. so of corse, the resaulting numbers are now bigger as well. you could also look at the description and look for everytime I mentioned the 2nd and 3rd numbers of the tri type. and now you could use the same description if you switch ech "3rd" to a "2nd" and ech already existing "2nd" to a "1st".

so yes. this diagram means I used the same proscess and did the excact same thing between the number representing the combinations for the 2nd/3rd number of the tritype, and the 1st number for the tritype, as I did between the number representing the combinations for the 3rd number of the tritype, and the 2nd number of the tritype.

531,441 variations for each of the 81 subtypes of which ever number would be first mean 531,441 X 81 makeing 43,046,721. that's possible in ech of the 9 types, so that means 43,046,721 X 9 which makes 387,420,489. that's right, between all the possible combos for the 1st, for the 2nd, for the 3rd numbers of the tri type, and all the combinations between them there are a total of 43,046,721 possible variations of personality with in the enneagram theroy.

now of corse I said VARIATIONS, so of corse there arn't really 43,046,721 DISTINCT KINDS of personality. but this is basically all the even smallest little ways in which any 2 people you pick, no matter how similar, may be different from one another. even if thier tritype is the same. because although this was all about combinations with in the tri type, this took into account factores of thepersonality that arn't labeld with in the tritype. though they are apart of your personality that you can find and learn about through your tritype.


so, after all that hell I've just put you guys through, (and I appologize profusly. I really didn't think it would turn out that long.) what do you think? crazy or genius? I'm still thinkin crazy.
You made me happy. :p
 
I've read that page..it's a good one. It describes me quite well, except for wanting to be sociable and have friends. It's the first source I've seen that discusses how 5w6 types can focus on social theory and not just traditional science. This includes Freud and B.F. Skinner, for example.
 
The OP is most helpful. It became hard to tell whether I am 5w6 or 6w5. The 6 wing is outspoken in such a way that it sometimes outpowers the 5, and along with it came the typical doubt on my own type :)
The 5w6 description is perfect in its simplicity and thus most reassuring.

But curious to know. Do other 5w6 sometimes feel the same ("Am I not a 6w5?)?
 
I'm sure they do, it's totally understandable and reasonable that they would.

I remember I was one of the biggest " I wanna grow and and be (insert every thinkable job that is big and in anyway hepfull to anyone job here) and help everyone everywhere and make the world totally perfect and nice and (basically everything.good that is.)" kid ever. totall 2w1 1w2 all over the place. with of corse some other energetick and nice personality thrown in there.

now I test as a 9w1 (I wounder how that "1" got there?)
5w6 (5? something of a 6 or with a 6 wing I can see. 6w5 even. but a 5? well I guess I do like to think about things and figure them out and stuff. take stuff a part and put everything all together in my head. quiet observer always tearing it up figureing it out and messin it around.)
and a 2w1 (ftw? 2w1?!? well I did used to like helping people, but now? nah no way. and what's with the double w1s huh? I'm not that ideal. infact I let just about everything go and don;t bother with perfection. everything goes eventually that is. but a 2?)


so yah, reality (such a stupid thing it is) just suddently hit me hard in the face one day when I was astill WAAAAAY to little for a reality check, and boom there goes the 2. "the world is a horrible dirty nasty place, and nothing could ever save it. it's such a hopeless task, why even attmpt to bother? could spend my whole life on that and it would be a wasted life, it wouldn't do any good for anything. this world's just to messed up." everything's nice and I wanna help the world 2w1, suddently melted into a 9w(wait, STILL a one? well I guess part of me had to be left over. couldn't just COMPLEATLY become a totally new person right?) eventually with all that lost hope and energy, why bother? a sit around do nothin but watch 5 worked its way in there. eventually makeing my a thinker, already had the w6 though. and still I find that somewhere in there I 2w1 still supposedly exists. whatever.


also, no one answerd my question from my artical type post above. what am I exactly? madman or geniouse? doubt anyone could ever see me as some kind of geniouse, but I'd atleast like to think that I'm kinda smart. maybe...
 
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I see the madman and genius in you, mr. fantastic. You're fresh in new ideas and innovative, a road with a couple bulldozers on it and a garden down the side, creatures in the forest that the road is being blazed towards. I do want to make it in time to have a crumb cake and lemonade with those undiscovered newly soonly discoveries. You've got a lot we've not seen before. Keep them fed, keep them lively.
 
XD thanks, and also for the warning about the boldozers. I'd vary much like to keep that forest if I can, alot of my fairy friends live there. I'll see what I can do. perhaps if the boldozer drives don'tlisten to me or can't hear me, I'll have to go with the old rubber sement bit. then I'll do the bugs bunnys gag where I impersinate one of thier higher ups or a famouse person and get them to do what I want. that road is more than welcome to go around the forest. aslong as it's not so close that animals are always running out on it and gettng hurt.
 
I just took a test that says I am a 5w6, 9w1, 4w5. I can say that my inner world of thinking/conceptualizing could be the type 5 because I am big on observation, analyzing and conceptual idealization but it is NOT the whole of who I am. It is the way I learn about the the external world, its people and their perceptions. For me, it is only a method in which I gather and sort through information that I later use in order to better know myself, what I value and how I may choose to believe. It could be said that type 5w6 is my personal style but I do not feel it is my personality as a whole. Even in saying that it is my style, the description give by the original post still does not fit me at all but, in its vagueness, the description given by the test results does, for the most part. The statement, give in the test discription, "To a Five, knowledge is power, and knowing more about the world around them makes the world a safer place", is not accurate for me, though. For me, it is a combination of childlike curriousity and a means to orientate myself within the world. In the tests description, my 5w6 was described like this:

"Type Five individuals are cerebral, intelligent, and complex. Type Five is often called the Investigator type, because they are constantly trying to learn more about the world. To a Five, knowledge is power, and knowing more about the world around them makes the world a safer place. It’s common for a Five to withdraw into their own thoughts and ruminate on intricate ideas and concepts. Type Fives, when they are in a growth state, become self-confident and authoritative like a Type Eight. When they are stressed, Type Fives become scattered like an unhealthy Type Seven. You are a Type Five with a Six wing, which means that the cerebral nature of a Type Five combines with the troubleshooting thought style of a Type Six. This makes Type 5w6 the Enneagram type of the stereotypical scientist – the 5w6 is always creating new ideas and testing them."

Basically, type 5 could certainly describe my internal processing, and to some degree show itself in external outlets like debating intellectual ideas but, I would say I use the 9w1 for all endeavors regarding the interpersonal pursuits, leaving the type 5 as an assist in those areas, instead of the primary mode of interaction, contrary to the "rules" I feel I'm reading regarding this.

I have yet to look up the 4w5 type and I am very new to the enneagram idea so, I may gain better understanding of how this all works in the future. I'm just looking for some insight on all of this because there are just too many variables to digest overnight.
 
I find myself pretty balanced, but with a notable 5w4 tendency. This is corroborated by my test results. Although I spend about as much time reading about politics and economics as i do reading about biology and psychology, I do find profound beauty in the order and structure of economies and political theories. I also tend to use 4ish dramatic and hyperbolic language when writing about these topics.

This morning I had lunch with my dad and I asked him about why he and my mom got divorced all those years ago. We talked about his immature fear of being tied down and his previous failed marriages, and about my mom's verbal abuse alcoholism when I was a toddler. The thing that worries me is that I felt less emotionally invested in or connected to this conversation than I did a few hours later listening to a podcast on "The Decapitalization of America" or than I did the night before reading, "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind"
 
Wow, the description of 5w4 was essentially my life story just there. I was told 5w6 but reading further it doesn't sound right. I do desire some social confirmation but not to that degree. I'm also borderline INFP and I have a ridiculously strong Fi for an INTP so 5w4 makes perfect sense. It is true that I desire to combine aesthetics and science and I have a strong sense for the beauty of the universe. And yes, I'm also quite the loner and I do not desire to be validated through a large circle of friends or through friends as much as I feel that I need to validated in the work that I do.

On a sidenote though, I was also looking into how various instincts work out for the 5wX. Is it mentioned somewhere as well?
 
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