Hamilton (the musical)

galactic collision · Nov 2, 2015

This musical is incredible. I haven't seen it but I hope I can someday. I'm wondering if anyone else here has thoughts on characters' types... I don't know many of the characters' types, but here are a few guesses:

Alexander Hamilton: ExxP (I'm inclined to say ENTP) and probably enneagram type 3 (unless I'm stereotyping here lmao)
Angelica Schuyler: I don't have a guess for MBTI, although my guess is she's an extrovert and a feeler. But I'm positive she's a so/sx 7w6. The song "Satisfied" is so..................
Eliza Schuyler: An introvert, I think - IxFP?
Aaron Burr: Definitely an introvert, ISFJ maybe? Enneagram type 9. I could see a case for 9w8 or 9w1
Thomas Jefferson: ENTJ? Not sure. His refrain of "every action has an equal opposite reaction" feels very Te+Ni, but that's very little to go off. I'd probably need to see the musical to get a better read on his type. Or listen more closely to his music.

The Stargazing Audiophile · Nov 11, 2015

I'm not sure of any of these because I've only listened to the soundtrack but I'll try:
Alexander Hamilton: Probably either an xNTP or xNTJ. He seems like an extrovert and a perceiver in the musical, but I don't know.
Angelica Schuyler: I think she is an ExxJ type, probably either an ENTJ or an ENFJ
George Washington: IxTJ?
King George: ExFJ? or ExTJ? He seems like he has Fe
Eliza Schuyler: Definitely an introvert, I agree that she's probably an IxFP, though she could also be an IxFJ
Aaron Burr: an IxxJ, maybe?
Marquis de Lafayette: ESxP?
Hercules Mulligan: ESTP?
Thomas Jefferson: An extroverted type. ENTJ sounds right to me
Philip Hamilton: ExFP? or ExFJ?

galactic collision · Dec 4, 2015

Reviving this thread to go ahead and say that I suspect Lin Manuel Miranda is an ENFP.

Dangerose · Dec 4, 2015

Alexander: ENTJ 3w2 so/sx
Eliza: INFP 9w1 sx/so?
Angelica: ENTP 7w6
Burr: ISTJ 9w1

I agree that Miranda's an ENFP, I think 7w6

The Stargazing Audiophile · Dec 4, 2015

galactic collision said:
Reviving this thread to go ahead and say that I suspect Lin Manuel Miranda is an ENFP.

I agree. He acts a LOT like most of the Ne-doms I've seen. Also, something about him gives me more of an ENFP vibe than an ENTP vibe. I think I feel this way because with the way he acts he reminds me of Ellen DeGeneres, who I am pretty sure is either an ENFP or an INFP. But he still could be an ENTP despite that.

Dangerose · Dec 4, 2015

I think Ellen's ESFJ

But there's something very Fi about Miranda. He's so...passionate, invested...all the time)) ENTPs tend to be a little more...detached.

d e c a d e n t · Dec 5, 2015

From what I've seen (or heard) I'd guess:
Alexander Hamilton: ENTP, So 3w2, also seems 7-fixed? And 1-fixed.
Angelica Schuyler: ESFJ, seems like a 7w6 indeed. "Satisfied" seems pretty Frustration and Head triad.
Eliza Schuyler: ISFJ or INFP, sx 9w1
Aaron Burr: ISFJ seems fair, not sure about his ennea, but he gives me a sort of 5w6ish impression? Thinking 359 in some order for his tritype. So-dom (like most of the musical).

King George makes me think ENFJ (and 2w3) but not sure lol.

fair phantom · Dec 5, 2015

Joy In The Dance said:
Alexander: ENTJ 3w2 so/sx
Eliza: INFP 9w1 sx/so?
Angelica: ENTP 7w6
Burr: ISTJ 9w1

I agree that Miranda's an ENFP, I think 7w6

I agree with most of these except i think Burr is an IxFJ. I can't imagine someone Fe-PoLR including "Smile more" in their motto)

Well and I'm not entirely sure about Angelica, but ENTP makes as much sense as anything else. I'm more confident about her being a 7.

Washington: ISTJ 1w2 so/sp? I could also see 1w9. Pretty confident about the 1 core
Lafayette: Some sort of extroverted ethical type. Probably ESFP?
Hercules Mulligan: ExTP, I want to say he's an 8 for some reason.
Laurens: xxFP
Madison: INTx 5w6 so/sp
Jefferson: ENTx 3w4

Dangerose · Dec 5, 2015

fair phantom said:
I agree with most of these except i think Burr is an IxFJ. I can't imagine someone Fe-PoLR including "Smile more" in their motto)

True!

Hercules Mulligan: ExTP, I want to say he's an 8 for some reason.

It's because his name is Hercules Mulligan.

And "lock up your daughters and horses" :shocked: and the corset sex

I agree with these, no strong opinions though)

d e c a d e n t · Dec 6, 2015

So I said ISFJ for Burr but now I'm thinking if it's 'cause the Musical is kinda Fe in general so whoever wrote it might be a Fe type thus giving it that bias/impression for most characters, and maybe he's more Te or something after all.

Anyway, I'm curious about the type 9-impression for Burr? Like I think he probably has a 9(w8)-fix, but aside from that he seems like a head-type to me, particularly 5 like I said. Especially when I listen to In The Room Where it Happens, I get a pretty Head type+Power-seeking impression. Even Wait For It, which is kinda sappy I guess, gives me the image of a snake lying in wait ("I am the one thing in life I can control", "I'm not standing still/I'm lying in wait"), which again makes me think of 5.

Also thinking 7-core might make more sense for Hamilton, even if I said 3 before.

fair phantom · Dec 6, 2015

Distortions said:
So I said ISFJ for Burr but now I'm thinking if it's 'cause the Musical is kinda Fe in general so whoever wrote it might be a Fe type thus giving it that bias/impression for most characters, and maybe he's more Te or something after all.

Anyway, I'm curious about the type 9-impression for Burr? Like I think he probably has a 9(w8)-fix, but aside from that he seems like a head-type to me, particularly 5 like I said. Especially when I listen to In The Room Where it Happens, I get a pretty Head type+Power-seeking impression. Even Wait For It, which is kinda sappy I guess, gives me the image of a snake lying in wait ("I am the one thing in life I can control", "I'm not standing still/I'm lying in wait"), which again makes me think of 5.

Also thinking 7-core might make more sense for Hamilton, even if I said 3 before.

You make a good case for 5. I'll need to think on it more, the way he just sort of goes along with whatever seemed 9 to me, but I thin I may switch to 5.

I don't think the play is particularly Fe (I mean for a musical). And I really think Lin-Manuel Miranda uses Fi-Te, so I don't think the Fe-ness of Burr is due to the writer).

Hmmm maybe Hamilton is a 7. There is a lot of 7, but that might be the writer bleeding through. Hamilton cares quite a lot about his image. He made his biggest blunder because he wanted to save his "good name" (apparently thinking corruption would tarnish it, but not adultery :rollseyes

. He is either a 3 with a strong 7 fix or a 7 with a strong 3 fix. I'm open to either. Do you have particular reasons for thinking he is a 7? I'd love to hear them)

d e c a d e n t · Dec 6, 2015

@fair phantom
Right. Yeah I thought 3 at first because he does seem to care about his worth, but then I was thinking about how for example, Burr advices him to "talk less, smile more" and that doesn't seem like the kind of lesson a type 3 has to learnSo I was thinking maybe 3-fix makes more sense than 3-core, and I mean, he does seem to be pretty... frustration-driven? But heh, there was a reason I went with a 3-typing for him in the first place I guess.

Anyway, I got to admit I haven't actually seen the whole musical yet, heh.

But for Burr, I don't get the impression he's going along with things out of sloth or anything like that, so much as he's holding himself back for more fear-based reasons ("I hold my plans close to my chest" etc), but 9-fix seems fair yeah.

fair phantom · Dec 6, 2015

Distortions said:
@fair phantom
Right. Yeah I thought 3 at first because he does seem to care about his worth, but then I was thinking about how for example, Burr advices him to "talk less, smile more" and that doesn't seem like the kind of lesson a type 3 has to learnSo I was thinking maybe 3-fix makes more sense than 3-core, and I mean, he does seem to be pretty... frustration-driven? But heh, there was a reason I went with a 3-typing for him in the first place I guess.

Anyway, I got to admit I haven't actually seen the whole musical yet, heh.

But for Burr, I don't get the impression he's going along with things out of sloth or anything like that, so much as he's holding himself back for more fear-based reasons ("I hold my plans close to my chest" etc), but 9-fix seems fair yeah.

Good point with Burr. For now at least I'm going to agree that he as a 5 core)

However, I'm not sold on Hamilton. Burr's advice isn't something that fits Hamilton's image, at all. His advice is for a different kind of 3. Hamilton sees himself as "young, scrappy and hungry"; someone who is proactive: willing to stand up for his beliefs and fight for his ideas. He does not wait. He gets a lot more done by ignoring Burr's advice.

Dangerose · Dec 6, 2015

I still think Hamilton is an ENTJ 3. Just a 3 with strong convictions.

About Ni: I imagine death so much it feels more like a memory is the most Ni line ever. Te because he doesn't seem Fe

Anyways, for 3 -- something fun about 3 is that it's a very capitalist type -- it's the sort of type to brag that they 'started at the bottom'. Real Alexander Hamilton seems to have tried as hard as possible to deny his humble roots (which I don't think makes him NOT a 3), but the focus in the musical is how he rose up.

Gonna analyze 'My Shot'

I am not throwing away my shot!
I am not throwing away my shot!

I like this line) It makes my mouth water) I think it's rather Ni-Se ish, in that he uses this physical immediate expression...but due to the double meaning, can't read too deeply into that) Anyways, it seems to have a 3ish focus, in that 3 is so concerned with how they effect the world and I feel like it worries that it won't be able to.

Hey yo, I’m just like my country
I’m young, scrappy and hungry

This feels 3-ish too, in that 3 has the mask-like ability to reflect the culture around them, he's seeing himself as the 'face' of the country.

I’m ‘a get a scholarship to King’s College
I prob’ly shouldn’t brag, but dag, I amaze and astonish

Adorable. Well, 3s like getting scholarships))

The problem is I got a lot of brains but no polish

Image

I gotta holler just to be heard

3, so concerned with effect on the world

With every word, I drop knowledge!

Bragging, 3ish))

I’m a diamond in the rough, a shiny piece of coal
Tryin’ to reach my goal. My power of speech: unimpeachable

Ooh, is the idea that he's a piece of coal on the way to becoming a diamond?)

Only nineteen but my mind is older
These New York City streets get colder, I shoulder
Ev’ry burden, ev’ry disadvantage
I have learned to manage, I don’t have a gun to brandish
I walk these streets famished

idk, seems 3ish still

The plan is to fan this spark into a flame
But damn, it’s getting dark, so let me spell out the name
I am the—

[HAMILTON/LAFAYETTE/MULLIGAN/LAURENS]
A-L-E-X-A-N-D
E-R—we are—meant to be…

[HAMILTON]
A colony that runs independently
Meanwhile, Britain keeps shittin’ on us endlessly
Essentially, they tax us relentlessly
Then King George turns around, runs a spending spree
He ain’t ever gonna set his descendants free
So there will be a revolution in this century
Enter me!

[LAFAYETTE/MULLIGAN/LAURENS]
(He says in parentheses)

"Enter me!" is such a 3 thing to say))

[HAMILTON]
Don’t be shocked when your hist’ry book mentions me
I will lay down my life if it sets us free
Eventually, you’ll see my ascendancy

A little Ni-ish

[HAMILTON]
Burr, check what we got
Mister Lafayette, hard rock like Lancelot
I think your pants look hot
Laurens, I like you a lot
Let’s hatch a plot blacker than the kettle callin’ the pot...

Being socially adept in this 'good old sport' kinda way feels a little 3)

What are the odds the gods would put us all in one spot
Poppin’ a squat on conventional wisdom, like it or not
A bunch of revolutionary manumission abolitionists?
Give me a position, show me where the ammunition is!

Se?

Oh, am I talkin’ too loud?
Sometimes I get over excited, shoot off at the mouth
I never had a group of friends before
I promise that I’ll make y’all proud

This is just so cute

[HAMILTON]
I imagine death so much it feels more like a memory
When’s it gonna get me?
In my sleep? Seven feet ahead of me?

Ni

If I see it comin’, do I run or do I let it be?
Is it like a beat without a melody?

Ni + 3 (to act or not to act?)

See, I never thought I’d live past twenty
Where I come from some get half as many
Ask anybody why we livin’ fast and we laugh, reach for a flask
We have to make this moment last, that’s plenty

A little Se?

Scratch that
This is not a moment, it’s the movement
Where all the hungriest brothers with
Something to prove went?
Foes oppose us, we take an honest stand
We roll like Moses, claimin’ our promised land

idk

And? If we win our independence?
Is that a guarantee of freedom for our descendants?
Or will the blood we shed begin an endless
Cycle of vengeance and death with no defendants?
I know the action in the street is excitin’
But Jesus, between all the bleedin’ ‘n fightin’
I’ve been readin’ ‘n writin’
We need to handle our financial situation
Are we a nation of states? What’s the state of our nation?

Ni, Te

I’m past patiently waitin’. I’m passionately
Smashin’ every expectation

Se, 3

Every action’s an act of creation!

Best line, Ni-ish too

I’m laughin’ in the face of casualties and sorrow
For the first time, I’m thinkin’ past tomorrow

Only line that makes me think Se>Ni

Acadia · Jun 26, 2016

I'm reviving this thread.
I think Hamilton's an ENFP. He says a many "Se-ish" things, but he's surrounded by Se-users. (Lafayette, for sure. Possibly Burr.)

Think Ne's more likely to shoot off the mouth than Se.
He's a little scattered. He doesn't have just one goal, he has many goals that are building together into this enormous ball of...I don't know, something huge.

And while he's played by an ENFP, the same ENFP that wrote the musical--I'm not sure it's enough to dismiss it just an an ENFP portrayal of an Se or Ni character. Aside from the fact that he's a protagonist, Hamilton talks. A lot. We can all be chatty, but he's the kind of chatty that weaves ideas into and out of reality. I know some people like that. It's super impressive.

Even paired with Te, Ni would be fewer words; more direct; and less metaphor, deeper focus, everything laden with meaning. Not sure that's where Hamilton's at.

Shadow91062 · Jun 11, 2019

I'd personally guess Hamilton is an 8 or 6. I can see where people could think 3 but he doesn't seem to me like he's trying to get the accomplishments to impress people and wear them like medals, which is how I typically see a 3 act. 8's tend to also be more active/competitive in my opinion as well as more up front. He also doesn't seem to care what people think of what he says based on the Adams Administration and many other times where he always spoke his mind which kinda undermines the whole point of the 3 which is to get people to be impressed with them/like them.

adawson · Jul 7, 2020

Now that I have seen the musical once in person (tour) and on Disney+, I think I can type the characters.

Hamilton - at first I thought he was a 3 (as I am), but then I realized that he doesn’t care who he pisses off as he gets the job done, where threes care greatly about image. He is a 1–a perfectionistic and relentless Reformer. His MBTI is ENTP—he loves being in front of a crowd, flies by the seat of his pants (very intuitive), but he is decisive and driven by his ideals. He is okay with changing his mind if there is a better way.

Burr - at first thought he was a 6. Nope, he is a 5w6. Most of his thoughts stay in his own head, and his “talk less, smile more” mantra confirms that he is willing to shift with more information and research. He is an ISTJ. He needs confirmation for everything, and seems to be an observer in order to make his decisions.

Eliza - type 2w1, the Helper. Clearly. She is an INFP. She painstakingly helps Hamilton achieve his legacy.

Angelica - type 8w7 the commander with a touch of spontaneity and fun. She is a force of nature. She’s an ESTJ. She is practical and tactical, decisive and careful. She hides her true feelings under a veneer of happy-go-luckiness.

Washington - 6w5. The brilliant loyalist. He apologizes when others don‘t meet his high expectations. He is an ESFJ. He weighs the data and acts accordingly.

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