If there are any, out of curiosity. To make it more fun, could you compile an easiest to hardest list?
What are the easiest and hardest types to read for you?
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Lol, laughed so hard at that explanation.
I always assumed INFJs could figure us out pretty easily if they cared, but you know what they say about assumptions....
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It's funny because, the only people in my life to ever explicity tell me that they don't like me "reading them" are both the only ENTPs that I know. At first it was hard for me, because I'd never met people so unique before. Almost everyone else except the ENFPs I've known came across as open books and completely unremarkable and boring. But I've grown accustomed to their behaviour now over the years and the games they deseperately employ to throw me off (either just for the fun of it to see my reaction or because they feel vulnerable) almost never work anymore. It's very rare that I actually feel stumped on what they're thinking or feeling.
And as I've known my best friend, an ENTP, for seven years now, I know her tricks very well and it's painfully obvious when she's trying to sway me. So the last time I saw her, I actually told her she really needs to reinvest in her 'act' if she wants to keep my mind out of hers.
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LOL. That's terrible. I love it. What did she say?
It's funny because, the only people in my life to ever explicity tell me that they don't like me "reading them" are both the only ENTPs that I know. At first it was hard for me, because I'd never met people so unique before. Almost everyone else except the ENFPs I've known came across as open books and completely unremarkable and boring. But I've grown accustomed to their behaviour now over the years and the games they deseperately employ to throw me off (either just for the fun of it to see my reaction or because they feel vulnerable) almost never work anymore. It's very rare that I actually feel stumped on what they're thinking or feeling.
And as I've known my best friend, an ENTP, for seven years now, I know her tricks very well and it's painfully obvious when she's trying to sway me. So the last time I saw her, I actually told her she really needs to reinvest in her 'act' if she wants to keep my mind out of hers.
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Well, I believe I am pretty good at figuring out what an ENTP is thinking/feeling based on putting two and two together from what I know about them... but it's just not the same as the ease with which I can read other people based on their faces/presentation.
ENTPs tend to have one thing going on in their head and a different going on outside their body. So I wouldn't really call the easy part reading them. UNDERSTANDING on the other hand... that is super easy with ENTPs. In a very good way
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She's been away for a while, working abroad, so before you she left she said "Don't worry, you won't know what's hit you when I see you next." Hahaha...I'm waiting to see if that's true. She is easily the craziest, hardest person to define that I know of and while it makes for some frustrations in our relationships because she's painfully private just like me, and I generally prefer open-extroverts, we have a lot in common.
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Only those who choose to play games with hearts, minds and emotions are the hardest to read.
For then I have to take my time to extrapolate between true and false perceptions. It infuriates me to no end and is the easiest way to make me lose respect for you.
The way I see it is, if you are so insecure in your emotions and thoughts that you choose to instead of being honest about it, surround it in veils of deceit, comfortable lies and puzzles that have many possible answers in the context of there employment but you seek only a very specific response based on your own specific conditions being met that is almost impossible to be mathematically achievable in many contexts then how do you expect to be known or understood?
I can completely understand why this is done though. We as humans hate being hurt, dislike being vulnerable and fear our own emotional demise due to it being exposed in an honest manner. But truthfully the only way we can develop and grow and explore possibilities is if we take those risks even in a marginal way so as to keep the pain felt by ourselves at a minimum. But failure to take these risks at all has the possibility of us never finding what it is we are searching for.
For then I have to take my time to extrapolate between true and false perceptions. It infuriates me to no end and is the easiest way to make me lose respect for you.
The way I see it is, if you are so insecure in your emotions and thoughts that you choose to instead of being honest about it, surround it in veils of deceit, comfortable lies and puzzles that have many possible answers in the context of there employment but you seek only a very specific response based on your own specific conditions being met that is almost impossible to be mathematically achievable in many contexts then how do you expect to be known or understood?
I can completely understand why this is done though. We as humans hate being hurt, dislike being vulnerable and fear our own emotional demise due to it being exposed in an honest manner. But truthfully the only way we can develop and grow and explore possibilities is if we take those risks even in a marginal way so as to keep the pain felt by ourselves at a minimum. But failure to take these risks at all has the possibility of us never finding what it is we are searching for.
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Aw, that's so cute. She's working hard to keep your relationship interesting to impress you. Silly ENTP
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Yes. I think one of the hardest things I had to deal with when our relationship first took off is that I didn't get her motives and judged them differently than what they really were. I'd never known an ENTP before so I just didn't know what her agenda was. I didn't get it for a couple years that her teasing and game playing was a show of affection. Whereas, I often saw it as annoying and thought she was doing it because she wanted to irritate and or hurt me because she was often ruthless in the frequency of her challenge every thought, feeling and value I held dear. I felt like she could never be serious and I didn't believe we would keep talking after we left school because she would also disappear for long periods of time then suddenly reappear like nothing had happened - which honestly made me feel like she was either toying with me (and didn't see me as a friend) or she was repeatedly abandoning me for something better.Aw, that's so cute. She's working hard to keep your relationship interesting to impress you. Silly ENTP
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I have an INFJ friend of five years who feels the exact same way as you do. She discovered MBTI a year or two ago, and it kind of helped her understand me more. All the things you have listed she has said. One thing I do, I don't know if your ENTP friend is like this, I tend to have a taste for what I call "adventure" that she sees as "recklessness" or "purposeful self-endangerment" which drives her crazy. Its cute because my first response is "Don't be trying to control me, woman!". However, after I think about it, I realize she just wants me safe because she cares so much which is adorable....BUT I GOTZ TO TEST LIMITS!!! Poor INFJs, you guys have it bad being friends with us crazy ENTPs. I am thankful that you guys do it anyway, because I can't imagine my life without you guys.
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I wholeheartedly believe that learning about our MBTI types has strengthened our friendship because I was honestly at my wits end with this girl. I defintely saw her as "reckless", which I didn't find funny or endearing. She found me too uptight, I found her too impulsive - and that hasn't really changed, I think we've just learned to accept it and tone down our behaviour to suit each other.
I knew that this girl in my life was very different from every other friend that I'd had because even when I was at my limits with her behaviour, I was still deeply questioning whether I should doorslam her or not. And one day I realised that I never put as much thought in doorslamming someone as I have with her, therefore it's not the right decision to make. Becuase if it were, I would have been able to let go of our friendship much sooner. When I've cut people off in the past, the decision comes suddenly and I'm like "I'm done, you're gone." and I never have to think and think about it. With this girl, I honestly considered it for over a year, which shows just how much it was torturing me.
I can't say it to her, because sentimental things make her feel vulnerable and she goes into hermit mode, so I can just say it to you. Thank you ENTP for being in my life. Making me forget my stresses when I'm with you and actually let loose without feeling pressured. The last time I saw her before she left to go abroad, I had no choice but to sit her down and say "I'm being serious, I'll start with that. I'm frustrated with you, but I want to work through this. I found this (the MBTI) and I want you to take the test." I, without any doubt in my mind, already knew it in my heart that she was an ENTP as went through all the types reading the descriptions. She is a debater, she is an adrenaline junky, she likes to break rules just because and she's almost completely the opposite to me in every way. When she asked why it was important to me that she took the test I told her plain and simple. I have never met another INFJ before. I take my friendships very seriously and they deeply affect me, which is why I often avoid having them. I may not show it, but your recklessness affects me deeply because I'm constantly worrying abgout your saftey. I don't want to make you feel 'policed' but I need you to read this (my MBTI) and understand that while I get it now, that you are a certain way and I certain way, our friendship can't move forwards unless you do this for me. I don't know how implusive or reckless you are, but of all the ENTPs I've spoken to on here, none of them have a notch on this girl. She's done so many things which could have seriously harmed her or put her life in danger that it honestly gives me a mini-heart attack when she tells me or shows up at my door covered in bruises, or even blood. She can't help herself.
Honeslty, I knew this was the heaviest thing I've ever said to her and I know she usually shuts down when I bring up serious or emotional topics and she will simply start making jokes or change the subject but I was shocked to find she was actually willing to read it, learn more about it and in her own silent way say "I get it."
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- I found ISTPs hard to read in the past. Mainly talking about my ex here.
- People trying hard to be something they're not. All I get from them is a "This is not who they're actually like".
- I used to have a hard time typing introverts, because I thought everyone had to be more extroverted than me and therefor an extrovert. I don't think this is true anymore.
- People trying hard to be something they're not. All I get from them is a "This is not who they're actually like".
- I used to have a hard time typing introverts, because I thought everyone had to be more extroverted than me and therefor an extrovert. I don't think this is true anymore.
There should be a poll for this. I'm curious about what the majority thinks. ENTPs are hard for me I think, I think deep down we definitely are able to understand, but they kind of intentionally throw us off. Maybe cause they are strong intuitively as well they can sort of 'preempt' our reading of them or something. Lol.
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I've it easy to figure out if people are ENTP or ENFP. Both Male and Female.
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