Some people type him as a 8 and another one as a 1 so which one represents him better?
Tywin Lannister: Is he 1 or 8?
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Some people type him as a 8 and another one as a 1 so which one represents him better?
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In my opinion he's a clear 8.
He's a powerful patriarch. He is not about values or principles (like Stannis for example, who clearly is a 1), he is about power. He is in charge, while Joffrey is king, and his main objective is to keep and expand his position of power. He knows what he has to do and he does it without scruples.
He wants his house to be feared and respected. That's classical 8. Also he cuts right through Jaime's (type 3) bullshit. "you care too much what other people think" / "that's what you want people to think."
He is direct, confrontational, intense and he does not tolerate any bullshit.
He's a powerful patriarch. He is not about values or principles (like Stannis for example, who clearly is a 1), he is about power. He is in charge, while Joffrey is king, and his main objective is to keep and expand his position of power. He knows what he has to do and he does it without scruples.
He wants his house to be feared and respected. That's classical 8. Also he cuts right through Jaime's (type 3) bullshit. "you care too much what other people think" / "that's what you want people to think."
He is direct, confrontational, intense and he does not tolerate any bullshit.
I would say 6. Always looking for support in some form everywhere he goes, whether that is in his family or his house, or any other "system". and a 6w7 at that, that's why he's so concern with 'selfish' desires, and others not giving into them.
(If you disagree, fyi I don't care)
(If you disagree, fyi I don't care)
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He seems like more of a 1 to me because he is more restrained about his anger (for example how he is low key quite forceful when he skins that deer), an 8 would be more direct and actively angry as it tries to gain and maintain power as much as I understand 
Like Olenna for example. Maybe Im misjudging this because hes an introvert, idk honestly
Like Olenna for example. Maybe Im misjudging this because hes an introvert, idk honestly
He is fictional
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you already said that you don't care, but I don't care about that. let me just tell you that you are completely wrong.
you must have never met a 6w7 in your life, if you think that Tywin Lannister is anything like a 6, let alone with a 7 wing.
I can understand how he might be a 1w9, I could get behind that, but not 6.
I still think that he's a 8w9 though.
By the way he's a 5.
Integration to 8
Acquisition of wealth
Highly accurate mind
Type 8 isn't that mindful - they integrate to 2 and fight to obtain what they desire. Like Jaime Lannister does. Jaime fights hard (was best swordsman) and takes charge. It's his gut in action and he's taking action for his sister whom he loves. All while breaking free from the 5 disintegration that came from being around his father.
Tywin is a brain guy. He's integrated to 8 by taking charge and finding a place in the world instead of being some nobody that unhealthy 5s like to be.
And by the way 5 disintegration is to 2, not 7. Unhealthy 5 is basically a martyr who gets stepped on like they don't exist. They feel worthless. It's overcome by asserting themself and respecting themself. Idk who the fuck designed disintegration and integration to be wrong (should be 258 loop, 741 loop, 369 loop) but they cause a lot of people to run in circles and never figure out themself.
Anyway, the point is he's a 5.
Integration to 8
Acquisition of wealth
Highly accurate mind
Type 8 isn't that mindful - they integrate to 2 and fight to obtain what they desire. Like Jaime Lannister does. Jaime fights hard (was best swordsman) and takes charge. It's his gut in action and he's taking action for his sister whom he loves. All while breaking free from the 5 disintegration that came from being around his father.
Tywin is a brain guy. He's integrated to 8 by taking charge and finding a place in the world instead of being some nobody that unhealthy 5s like to be.
And by the way 5 disintegration is to 2, not 7. Unhealthy 5 is basically a martyr who gets stepped on like they don't exist. They feel worthless. It's overcome by asserting themself and respecting themself. Idk who the fuck designed disintegration and integration to be wrong (should be 258 loop, 741 loop, 369 loop) but they cause a lot of people to run in circles and never figure out themself.
Anyway, the point is he's a 5.
I entertain that theory myself.
The 369, 8 and 1 all remain in their respective long-term motivation loops when integrating and disintegrating which gives them total access to both the 3 centers and three behavioral patterns withdrawn, aggressive and compliant, but the types 7, 2, 4 and 5 when either integrating or disintegrating end up remaining in their according body triad.
Supposedly because for these 4 types the center will not change when this happens, so the 5 will disintegrate to 2 but because the center doesn't change from thinking to feeling they look more like 7 and could be described as a "thinking-2".
5 ---> 7 (thinking 2)
7 ---> 5 (thinking 4)
2 ---> 4 (feeling 5)
4 ---> 2 (feeling 7)
www 9types com/writeup/Theory20 htm
Types 2 and 7:
Yeah key word: superficially
The outer appearance may resemble a contained thinker (5) when a 7 integrates and gains self control. However the true integration comes from feeling more contained. The thoughts are still reactive in nature like a 7, but they are contained within an aura of feelings. It is when a 7 finds that respect for themself that they become contained. Integrating to 5 doesn't make any sense. That's simply overriding thoughts with new thoughts. That's not integration - that's hypnosis.
Uuuh but WHAT? Do you even know what type 6 is and how it works? Because Tywin Lannister is the opposite of that. I personally thought 1 always made sense for him. He's not aggressive the way 8s are.
To me he is a clear 8w9.
Slow moving, heavy forceful energy, don't need the spotlight but clearly knows whats needs to be done for the sake he believes in. He could slay a baby with a sword if it needs to be done. A bit numb emotionally.
But I bet hes sweet underneath all that
Slow moving, heavy forceful energy, don't need the spotlight but clearly knows whats needs to be done for the sake he believes in. He could slay a baby with a sword if it needs to be done. A bit numb emotionally.
But I bet hes sweet underneath all that
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he's actually very "principles" driven, they're just not the kinds of principles we're accustomed to in modern society (Charles Dance says this explicitly about the character). anyway, I see more rigidity in him that an 8, more bossing everyone around to make sure things get done right and giving frequent lectures. it's a bit more obvious when you compare him to other 8s like The Hound, Oberyn Martel, Yara Greyjoy, Arya or King Robert.
also compare with Olenna Tyrell, another 8 (or at least a 7w8)
PS: I think Jaime is a 2w3 rather than a 3, but that's still a type prone to lots of bullshit :tongue:
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He's a 7. "I drink and I know things." Oh, thought this was about Tyrion.
Anyway, about Tywin. He doesnt use ethics. He will hang an entire town but it has a purpose. It is never the love of terror like Bolton. Tywin is about strength and maneuvering. 8.
Anyway, about Tywin. He doesnt use ethics. He will hang an entire town but it has a purpose. It is never the love of terror like Bolton. Tywin is about strength and maneuvering. 8.
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That shows adherence to principles imo, if hanging an entire town would serve a purpose then he would do it to reach his goals. Ethics are what you consider right, for him everything is right that would improve the position of his family. You dont have to be specifically an 8 to be forceful and strategic, the 1 can do that too. The distinction between outward aggression and the inner ideas of perfection and principles is what separates 8 and 1 afaik. Idk if you understand what I mean here
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No, it is logic. Everyone has a kind of ethics. It is just doing what it expedient. He is not a man of principle. lol. Just like he waited for sides to fight to see which side is winning and then side with that one. He is an opportunist.
I agree the way he reformed his house was somewhat like 1. But it was all about being strong.
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1s can be quite ruthless and strategic in their implementation. Niccolo Machiavelli and Sun Tzu, for example, were both 1s.
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I see him as an 8, in the way that I see Frank Underwood as an 8. A lot of similiar qualities in my opinion.
Although a case could be made for Underwood being a 3, and I guess Tywin as a 1 makes sense aswell, I won't argue either way, it's just my impression (or maybe: interpretation) of the character and what drives him.
Although a case could be made for Underwood being a 3, and I guess Tywin as a 1 makes sense aswell, I won't argue either way, it's just my impression (or maybe: interpretation) of the character and what drives him.
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He's a total 1, 1w2 to be exact. He's too down to earth and authoritarian to have a 9 wing unless you're talking about the book Tywin which no one cares about.
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