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is the historian Lucy Worsley an ENTP or an ENFP?

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Personally, I'd type her ISFJ because of the way she's constantly coming back to "what it must have been like for people in this particular era". I definitely see Ti/Fe over Te/Fi--she's really into fitting pieces together, understanding the way things work as an end in and of itself with no need to find external purpose to it. I also think Si/Ne is a much better fit for her than Se/Ni. But I really keep coming back to her drive for understanding what is normal, what was typical, what was expected, and how the documentary evidence matches up to her experiences to be more indicative of high Si than Ne.

Fascinating shows--I'd love to compare her history of the British bathroom with the history of the American bathroom, but PBS doesn't do half the job the BBC does when it comes to historical programs.
 
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I could see ESxJ but Stephen Fry is a matured Ne dom and they seem similar to me. I think the fact that they are posh is why they don't seem that Ne compared to the average Ne dom. They'd have to sound more coherent to be taken seriously.
 
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I type Stephen Fry as ESFJ personally. The way he responds to Ne-dominants like Dara O'Brien, Sarah Millican, Claudia Winkleman, Jack Whitehall, David O'Daugherty, and Bill Bailey suggest to me at least that he's not a dominant Ne type. He's great at judging others, imposing his social order, and he can use Ne to make his programs more interesting, but doesn't have that intellectual distance--being in on the joke--I expect from ENTP. He struggles with "comebacks" in the moment--gets very frustrated when asked to improve--and just seems like he prefers being more prepared than most NPs really do.
 
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She's ENTJ
 
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I love her. Her Tudor Queens episodes were freaking awesome.

I think she's a sensor. She's not so much into abstraction as she is bringing forth the past in understandable ways. She has a little of the playful cosplayer about her, but I suspect her Ne is lower. ESFJ is probably correct.

I'd adore having tea with her sometime. I bet she's a hoot, and we could talk history for 8 hours.
 
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typethisperson said:
i say ESxJ cause i have often confused ESTJ+ESFJ women with one another. ESTJ women seem to blend in more with other women compared to the other T women.
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This is quite true... up to a point.

Lucy's warmth and appreciation for her audience, how she draws you in, and makes you feel like you are part of history, her enthusiasm for her subject while remaining professional, to me, suggest Fe-dom.

Compare her to David Starkey -- an ESTJ whose focus lies more on the facts, and less on drawing the audience into the period.

She manages to make people like her, in ways Starkey cannot manage, and I think it's more than the female angle. ;)
 
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The David Starkey comparison is really apt--history has to have purpose for him--"this was the situation and it produced this outcome". That's Te.

In Lucy Worley's videos, it's much more history for its own sake, about making sense of things for its own sake. There's this bit where she's recreating Tudor beds and she's like, "this must be why everyone was painted sitting up, it's impossible to lie down flat." It's Ti: we don't need to understand Tudor beds in order to make a conclusion, it's fitting bits of Tudor culture together. I had an NFJ history professor in college who used to do this with the history of medicine. I'd be on board with ESFJ.
 
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angelcat said:
This is quite true... up to a point.

Lucy's warmth and appreciation for her audience, how she draws you in, and makes you feel like you are part of history, her enthusiasm for her subject while remaining professional, to me, suggest Fe-dom.
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Emma Watson is warm and she's an ESTJ. ESTJ women act more F than the other T women do. They also can be quite motherly at times.

Compare her to David Starkey -- an ESTJ whose focus lies more on the facts, and less on drawing the audience into the period.
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I would have thought he was an IxTJ. He seems like an introvert to me.
 
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typethisperson said:
Emma Watson is warm and she's an ESTJ. ESTJ women act more F than the other T women do. They also can be quite motherly at times.
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What makes you think she's a Te-dom? That girl practically barfs Fe all over the place, IMO.

So much so that an INTJ friend of mine, while watching her feminist speech, asked, "Why is she fake-emoting? You can give a passionate speech without your voice trembling and and being all emotional and stuff."

(I laughed. Of course HE can. He's a Te-user. ;)

I would have thought he was an IxTJ. He seems like an introvert to me.
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Seems excessively opinionated for a perceiving dom. Granted, I don't know much about him other than his historical biases, his tendency to insult everyone, and and his hilarious feud with... Lucy Worlsey. He sneered at his "female colleagues" who have to "dress up history"; she said IF she were going to make personal remarks, he looks like an owl on his book jacket covers.

I laughed. A lot. ;)
 
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angelcat said:
What makes you think she's a Te-dom? That girl practically barfs Fe all over the place, IMO.
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ESTJ, although she is very personable which seems like Fe, Fe is about social harmony and reading others moods and reactions. She doesn't seem to have that ability, she interacts with a friendly Te but its Te. Her mannerisms are very ESTJ like, she is very grounded and in the world when she talks.

It comes of female social expectations such that ESTJ females develop their role Fe a bit more. (Kellyanne Conway is another good example)

Seems excessively opinionated for a perceiving dom. Granted, I don't know much about him other than his historical biases, his tendency to insult everyone, and and his hilarious feud with... Lucy Worlsey. He sneered at his "female colleagues" who have to "dress up history"; she said IF she were going to make personal remarks, he looks like an owl on his book jacket covers.

I laughed. A lot. ;)
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Christopher Hitchens is aux Te and he was incredibly opinionated and crude with people. I think aux Te/Se just comes off as more aggressive in the public eye in general compared to INxPs and IxFJs.
 
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There are plenty of times when someone seems like a Te dom or a Fe dom but if they're obviously introverts then they can't be extroverted doms. They could just be overusing their extroverted functions because they might not like how they truly are at times. The world has brainwashed us to be extroverts.
 
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