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It's kind of difficult to answer this, because ENFPs have different dating habits. From what you've said I think you're trying too hard to find conclusive patterns about us when that's maybe the wrong way to go. A lot of it is life experiences as well- you have to have positive experiences of taking initiative to develop confidence with it, and maybe she doesn't have that now but will in the future, etc. etc. etc. People are complicated and changing.

My take is that she has some level of attraction for you, and definitely a lot of inner affection.. However taking a lifelong friendship into a romantic place takes quite a lot of emotional bravery- and that's where I think a lot of people differ, and in that respect I think it's up in the air how she feels, and she may not even know/have decided how she feels in any kind of conclusive way.. in fact I'd say that's most likely true taking into account her age and likely experience level, though that's a guess at best. Depends how strongly she feels about you which isn't indicated, depends how assertive/decisive she is which varies much more than you think among ENFPs and like I said continues to change, and it depends on how she views the concepts of friendship, dating, and social boundaries which again varies between ENFPs and can also change.

It also depends on the people involved and how they manage/steer the interaction. As one half of the interaction, you obviously have a lot of influence in how this goes (especially as the guy, even in "2018"), so a lot does depend on how you use your social skills and intuition in this regard. You seem like you have high EQ and social perception, so I think confidence in your own intent is probably going to be key. You don't usually get the girl thinking "oohh I hope.. ahh I wonder if... hmm ok lets wait and see..", you get the girl when you have a strong belief of what you want and intend to happen, and you use your social skills to steer how you make that a reality. At least in my experience.
 
100% agreeing with @Tridentus. I’m so grateful for Tridentus, btw. It just hits me sometimes but it would be wrong not to express it, IMO. I value his opinion so much and his solid good sense and the solidly caring person he is. 🙂.
Another thing about ENFPs we all find a way, even with how much we want the approval of others, to always speak what we feel is the truth and have high devotion to honesty.
Do you think Comey is ENFP? I think so. Okay, getting political....
So much Ne-Fi showing here in this little post....
 
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It's kind of difficult to answer this, because ENFPs have different dating habits. From what you've said I think you're trying too hard to find conclusive patterns about us.

@Tridentus I admit I'm trying to find patterns, but that's largely because I've NOTICED patterns, so I'm taking greater care in analyzing those patterns and seeing how they fit: how she acts around me, how she acts around other guys, ect. As humans, I think we subconsciously exude patterns in our behavior based on our mental and emotional perspective of a certain person or scenario. And I admit, this is largely a game I like to play with my own self, as INFJs love to live in our heads--I find it enjoyable studying her behavior and deciphering a conclusion from it, which generally takes weeks if not months of analysis to come to a conclusion. That may very well be the reason why INxJs don't mind waiting for someone, whether for months or years; they pass the time by creating fantasies of how each different scenario can play out, which prevents them from getting bored whilst waiting for that special someone.

You seem like you have high EQ and social perception, so I think confidence in your own intent is probably going to be key.
It's interesting you say this. I've never heard of this EQ function, but I would like to know more. However, I do agree that I react to a certain scenario based largely on how I feel in the moment.

At least in my experience.
I appreciate your input, my good man! And I agree with @Alesha, you've got a level head when it comes to deciphering this kind of thing.
 
If she's quiet, we've gone to Fi mode in a conversation. Acting shy and avoiding eye contact in public could normally be signs of affection if you were a stranger but since you stated she knows you very well and chitter chats her days away with you, if she felt something she might just come right out and tell you.

Also being in a group setting she might just be navigating to the person who is responding to her or having the conversation. I doubt she is purposely ignoring you. I know when my best friend ISFJ and me get together, her future husband (my brother in law, INFJ) goes on the back burner just listening to us chat. He does interject an opinion every now and then but really doesn't say much in the conversation. I don't think her or I are ignoring him, we just address his comments when he puts his two cents in.

I hug everyone, male and female alike. I'm very warm and open to all my best friends.
 
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I agree with @PurpleKitti to not steal kisses or anything, but you wouldn't anyway. You'd do one subtle thing at a time and at each time you'd then take note of her reaction.
@Alesha True. Being forceful on someone is against every fiber in my being, much like most INFJs, I would assume. I would much rather write her a poem with scenic overdrawn prose than make a move physically. I actually had an idea for a story I may write one day: The male lead wants to propose to his longtime love, so he creates a scavenger hunt with poems. Each poem leads her to a different location, where she discovers another poem--the process repeating until she reaches her final destination where she finds him standing in the center of a hundred candles all positioned in the shape of a heart.

Oh, dear. My helpless romantic is showing :crazy:

There's no sense in taking a working relationship and saying, "Well that doesn't work because of MBTI"
I find it disheartening that people who are already in a relationship with someone will sever it or at the very least doubt its strength due to it not being an "ideal" match. Contrarily, I do think there is merit with MBTI charting, but only how certain types interact with one another; some are going to have more natural chemistry, whereas others with have to put more effort into making it work. But if each side is willing to make it happen, then any type can work in theory.

However, Socionics is something that confuses me. My "ideal" match according to Socionics is an ESTP, whereas MBTI says ENFPs/ENTPs are the perfect match. I've met several ESTPs and each one has had a very "in the moment" mentality and more "distant" emotionally due to not being a Feeler. I have decent casual relationships with these types (I actually believe they enjoy my company more than I enjoy theirs), but I just cannot see it working out on an intimate level.

There was a INFJ thread a while back that you would have loved initially, Shadowedwords, but that you might have gotten as disheartened and frustrated as I was. It was basically, "What are good matches for INFJ" and it was brought up that ENFP might be a good match and then there was so much "Nah... an EXTROVERT???" There's actually tons of prejudice against extroverts. I'm actually trying to work on pointing it out when I see it.
Maybe I'm too bullheaded to consider other options, but I personally feel in order to be truly happy, I need to be married to an NF, preferably an extroverted one. Like most INFJs, I'm ambiverted, but I do enjoy my alone time greatly, so having someone bring me out of my shell in social atmospheres is important to me. ENFPs seem to fit that perfectly, as they can be ambiverted, but also enjoy their alone time as well. I read somewhere that INFJs are the most extroverted of the introverts, while ENFPs are the most introverted of the extroverts. Just a fun fact for ya :wink:

Also there are some INFJs who are already married to ENFPs on the INFJ forum. I'd love to see a "Who are you married to and what is it like?" kind of thread on the INFJ forum. There's actually never been one there. We DO have a working fairly-recent ENFP thread like this, started by Alassea. Lets see if I can dig it up for you....
I'll definitely check that out. Thank you!
 
The main thing I agreed with that @Tridentus said (although I agreed with all) is that this is up to you. You are too important to her and your attitude will determine what happens. So if you want this relationship you will figure it out and you will win her over no matter how she feels right now. It is complex right and a really big deal when romantic feelings develop for someone you are already so close to. If she felt like you didn’t like her then what I would be doing is trying to stuff down the romantic feelings. If I thought you were like “This is going to happen. You are the one!” Then I would believe you. Does that make sense? You are going to determine this one... so concentrate on which one of those pretty scenarios you want to have happen and how to get it.
Got it? This particular ENFP is more on the shy side of this and it is confusing, right? You are older as well, remember and that is going to play a part. If you need more info from me on why, I think I could try to describe it. This is your move, completely from what you’ve described. But to me if this is what you want then how could anyone else be better for her? So anyway... have we helped you figure some of it out? Any epiphanies on action you should take?
 
@Tridentus, as per usual I agree 100% with his insightful comments. This part...

you get the girl when you have a strong belief of what you want and intend to happen, and you use your social skills to steer how you make that a reality. At least in my experience.
Is spot on.

I gravitate to males that know what they want. A lot of times I have no clue if a guy likes me and I treat people very friendly so I'm unaware of an attraction forming. It's not that I won't consider it but I like keeping my friendships, specially a childhood friendship. A long lasting friendship would have to just come out and say it. I would go through these facial expression below all in five minutes of someone expressing their love but if I'm not with someone then I will strongly consider taking the relationship to the next level.

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Normal greeting to close friends.

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Or it could be this.

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I'm very expressive when I'm happy think Dino. I try not to knock people down but I do love hugging lol. Again this is for males or females. I don't discriminate the genders.

Then if when meeting said person and they express a romantic interest in me this face...
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Could easily and very quickly change to this...
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I would need time to think, and my brain can do leaps in seconds but I still need to process the information provided. This processing will happen out loud as I could pace in front of you running through my reasons. I may act a little shy at first but then I go right back to being normal.
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My strongest relationships have always been from my very close friendships with males but the male has to make the move with me. I'm brilliant with creativity, science, mathematics, and history but can be an airhead at noticing that someone is in love with me. Even when I start to notice I will over think the situation and just think Naaaa, and give these reason why it's not the case
 
@Alesha True. Being forceful on someone is against every fiber in my being, much like most INFJs, I would assume. I would much rather write her a poem with scenic overdrawn prose than make a move physically. I actually had an idea for a story I may write one day: The male lead wants to propose to his longtime love, so he creates a scavenger hunt with poems. Each poem leads her to a different location, where she discovers another poem--the process repeating until she reaches her final destination where she finds him standing in the center of a hundred candles all positioned in the shape of a heart.

Oh, dear. My helpless romantic is showing :crazy:
Sounds just perfect for you and her! I loved reading this. How did I miss this reply earlier?
Yeah, you know I'm sold. I love the INFJ-ENFP combo to pieces. =)
If you start the married thread on the INFJ forum, I need to know! Pretty please. =)
 
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Okay. I imagine the whole INFJ + ENFP forum has been beat to death, but I can't help but to add one more to the pile.

I'm a male INFJ (yes, a legitimate INFJ--I've taken the test four different times and have gotten the same results). I've known this female ENFP my entire life. We've been friends since pre-K. Communication between us is incredible; she's the only one who really understands me. The INFJ + ENFP combination is truly dynamic. Over the past couple of years, we've spent plenty of nights texting back and forth: witty banter, casual conversation, as well as the in-depth stuff that really stimulates your imagination--all into the wee hours of the morning.

However, recently she's been acting strange around me. For instance, when we're in-person talking just the two of us, the conversation flows freely and her focus is on me. But if I'm with a group of my friends and she walks up and joins the conversation, she'll completely ignore my existence, and only communicate to those around me as if I'm not even there. I'll even purposely direct questions her way, but she'll simply direct her response to those around me, as if she can't bear the thought of looking me in the eye.

Sometimes, when we're passing by one another, she'll flash a broad smile and give me a quick hug. Also, I have noticed, that she doesn't give other guys hugs who aren't blood relation. I know ENFPs are known to be cuddly people, so I thought this was interesting. As an INFJ, I'm usually pretty good at deciphering other people's feelings towards me (thank you intuition!), whether platonic or otherwise, but this ENFP's hot and cold behavior is really confusing me. I've witnessed this behavior from male ENFPs plenty of times, but this is the first time I've noticed it from a female.

Are any of these signs that she may have developed romantic feelings towards me: obvious aversion, random hugs, erratic behavior when I'm around? Yes, the simple answer is "Just ask her, bruh!", but I'm writing this post mainly to see if anyone has had experience with either themselves or a friend acting this way around someone they secretly have a crush on. Any response will be helpful, but especially if you're an ENFP female--how do you act around your crush if you don't yet know if they reciprocate the feelings? Do you act shy and reserved, or all hands-on one day then distant the next, or are you consistently forward with your feelings?

She's a really good friend; has been for many years, and I honestly wouldn't mind if she did have deeper feelings for me. I just don't want to ruin our relationship by asking her if all I'm doing is misinterpreting her behavior.

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

~Cheers
I dont know maybe when friends are around she tries to have a good time with everyone and not just with you ?

Like, chill out already. Be more confident in your shoes, enjoy the laughs, the people, that you re with more than just her at these moments. If you wanna pop the question just pop it and be done with it, overthinking usually is leading nowhere
 
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