I just wonder, is there is any correlation between the MBTI types and how one is experiencing nostalgia? I would assume Si users would be more prone to nostalgia, so I am wondering if this is true or not, if there is any correlation?
MBTI Type and Nostalgia
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judging functions are responsible for evaluation of things, so nostalgia can't be based on perception primarily
other than that, based on my experience, I disagree, STJ can be just as un-nostalgic as STP
The fact that you make a generalized statement by referring to "judging", are you basing this merely on dichotomies of Myers Briggs system instead of cognitive functions defined by Jung. I explained that in Si is the the key component of being nostalgic. There are some examples of how cognitive functions are used in the real world that can be found here. Which of the scenarios define nostalgia? It should be obvious it is introverted sensing:
Based on what?
Just teasing at the controlled aspect of Si+Fi, like there’s less of a “longing” because everything that had an emotional connection was physically held onto.
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When I say judging I'm talking about what Jung called Rational functions aka F and T which are responsible for evaluating things. I don't use MBTI's dichotomies.
Recalling a memory isn't Si nor is it nostalgia. Nostalgia is a specific feeling of meaningfulness oftentimes with pain, about the past, the meaningfulness comes from evaluation, it's an act of judgment however conscious or not. One can recall memories without feeling nostalgic about them, they don't necessarily have the added meaning of being better (even if it only lasts a moment). Nostalgia is a sentimental state, a feeling state.
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It’s only here on perC is where I see people labeling nostalgia with personality type. Function wise I suppose it pertains to Sj and Np.
Realistically speaking - as we age we bc more nostalgic. I can count a handful of people who are not Sj/Np users who get nostalgic.
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Realistically speaking - as we age we bc more nostalgic. I can count a handful of people who are not Sj/Np users who get nostalgic.
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yeah i was married to an istj for forever and i don't recall being made aware of any nostalgic feelings he was having like ever. doesn't mean, i suppose, he didn't have them but i wasn't made aware. it feels like it wasn't happening. nostagia seems feeling based---a romanticizing or longing of a feeling/ experience you once had.
Instead of arguing your opinion of how you connote nostalgia, we can just use the denotation:
: a wistfulor excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition
also : something that evokes nostalgia
That does not require using Te, Fe, Fi or Ti to establish whether you liked or disliked the moment, but it does require considering a past moment. Contrary to your assertion what on earth is introverted sensing if it is not accessing one's database of past memories?
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SI is about sense impressions, while the SE focuses on the objects as they are - the SI focuses on what impressions the object leaves in them which then replace the object in that person's mind, it's like a filter that acts in real time, often has a symbolic or ritualistic nature to it. But it's not about memory recollection as a whole, as a different type who recalls memories may not be doing it in a SI way - focused on the sense impression. It's the content and character of memories that change with type not the act of recalling them, or having a memory.
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Same for my ISTJ mother really - tho she has expressed nostalgic feelings sometimes when we visited places, she doesn't like to think about the past or dwell.
I dunno about how it is for others, but usualy I always seem to have nostalgia for a set time period, and it seems to stick for a very, very long time. Right now I am mostly nostalgic for 2018 to early 2020, before that, I was nostalgic for 2014 - 2016. Like, it is periodical like that for some reason.
It bothers the hell out of me too, I was merely asking how differently do types experience nostalgia, instead everything is getting shoehorned into the "Only Fi is that because special snowflake feelings", I just dont understand how feeling and being sentimental is exclusive only for Fi doms, being a thinker you suddenly lose the ability to be nostalgic and be sentimental? I mean, just because those are different MBTI types, does not mean they came from different planets, like they are entirely different creatures that have evolved differently.
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Yes, so how does it impact them more than for me being in dom position.
Literally nobody said that.
Then what do you think nostalgia is if not sense impressions, and what does Se have to do with the discussion? What you just described is how a person triggers a moment of nostalgia. You make it sound as though ISJs and INPs can't have an internal thought using their Si without being triggered by an outside force. I don't have to commune with anything to use my Ti or my Ni, so why on earth would someone using introverted sensing not be able to have a sense of nostalgia without it being triggered by the outside world.
So many things could impact the level of usage of any cognitive function. Jung warns in his theory of being adversely affected by our environment, namely parents or those who influence us most during our developmental or until about age 25. By then a person can probably determine which function they prefer to go with their natural attitude. After that, the use of the cognitive function becomes second nature as a result of habitual use.
No other type uses Si better than ISJ types. Any claim is simply untrue. Jung reminds us that only one cognitive function can be considered dominant with no equal. After that the next four types can end in a coin flip, specially if an ESJ is in the loop, to where they vacillate between their dominant extraverted function and the tertiary use of Ne. On the other hand, INP types can fall into a similar pattern by vacillating between their dominant introverted cognitive function and their tertiary use of Si.
Either way both of the examples given means an unhealthy type. I would suspect that any young person comparing themselves to a mature adult that has been afforded years to develop a particular function may use it better than someone who has it as their auxiliary.
To answer the question of nostalgia and MBTI types, let's first look at the definition of nostalgia:
Definition of nostalgia
1: a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition
also : something that evokes nostalgia
2: the state of being homesick
Source: Merriam-Webster
Here are some thoughts:
1. From the definition, we know that nostalgia is a sentiment, a particular emotional state. This emotional state can be related to the past and/or something you are familiar with, such as home.
2. Any type, if healthy, is capable of experiencing a full range of emotional states, nostalgia included. Nostalgia, therefore, cannot be said as type-specific.
3. There are many mentions of Si in this discussion. I'd like to point out that Si is an introverted perceiving function, whereas looking at the definition of nostalgia, we can see that this involves conscious judgment. So equating only Si with nostalgia is a misconception.
4. Popular MBTI mistakes SJ traits for Si traits, and fails to understand what Si really is. If you want to understand Si as a cognitive function, read Jung. SJ =/= Si. If SJs are nostalgic, any other type can be as well.
5. Frequent experience of nostalgia could suggest a high likelihood of being an F type. There is no definite answer, however. All we can find is that when it comes to emotions, importance of emotions, value-based judgments, it is F > T.
6. Which function is, relatively, more related to nostalgia? If we must make a correlation at all, it is Fi, introverted feeling. In the definition, notice that something invokes nostalgia from someone. This is a personal sentiment, a type of feelings that comes from the inside of you. It originates from the psyche and ends in it. Does not project onto an object. Yes, an object can trigger nostalgia in you, and you may hold something dear because it reminds you of some good old past. However, this sentiment stays with you. Nostalgia is something very personal. IMO, it is hard/rare for others to project nostalgia onto you, or you onto others. It is a sentiment in your inner world. So basically, conscious Fi.
Note - in making this explanation, I'm using the Jungian typing system, not MBTI. In this system, there is a distinction between conscious and unconscious functions.
Definition of nostalgia
1: a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition
also : something that evokes nostalgia
2: the state of being homesick
Source: Merriam-Webster
Here are some thoughts:
1. From the definition, we know that nostalgia is a sentiment, a particular emotional state. This emotional state can be related to the past and/or something you are familiar with, such as home.
2. Any type, if healthy, is capable of experiencing a full range of emotional states, nostalgia included. Nostalgia, therefore, cannot be said as type-specific.
3. There are many mentions of Si in this discussion. I'd like to point out that Si is an introverted perceiving function, whereas looking at the definition of nostalgia, we can see that this involves conscious judgment. So equating only Si with nostalgia is a misconception.
4. Popular MBTI mistakes SJ traits for Si traits, and fails to understand what Si really is. If you want to understand Si as a cognitive function, read Jung. SJ =/= Si. If SJs are nostalgic, any other type can be as well.
5. Frequent experience of nostalgia could suggest a high likelihood of being an F type. There is no definite answer, however. All we can find is that when it comes to emotions, importance of emotions, value-based judgments, it is F > T.
6. Which function is, relatively, more related to nostalgia? If we must make a correlation at all, it is Fi, introverted feeling. In the definition, notice that something invokes nostalgia from someone. This is a personal sentiment, a type of feelings that comes from the inside of you. It originates from the psyche and ends in it. Does not project onto an object. Yes, an object can trigger nostalgia in you, and you may hold something dear because it reminds you of some good old past. However, this sentiment stays with you. Nostalgia is something very personal. IMO, it is hard/rare for others to project nostalgia onto you, or you onto others. It is a sentiment in your inner world. So basically, conscious Fi.
Note - in making this explanation, I'm using the Jungian typing system, not MBTI. In this system, there is a distinction between conscious and unconscious functions.
Uff, the more I read into it, the more it seems like I may be an Fi dom, but damn, I really dont want to be an Fi dom, I'm not fan of those types in any shape or manner.
I usualy go out of my way to re-create and explore nostalgia, if that makes sense, I just know that 2021 and 2022 we're really mediocre years for me, while 2018-2020 we're so much better, simpler times world was way better before the corona-virus incident.
Though I remember even back in 2018 I would be nostalgic towards 2014-2016, though right now I dont think about 2014-2016 since I dont think those we're my prime years. 2019-2020 we're the prime years for me, and I do try to re-create those moments by visiting places I have been in those years and perhaps listening to music too.
I usualy go out of my way to re-create and explore nostalgia, if that makes sense, I just know that 2021 and 2022 we're really mediocre years for me, while 2018-2020 we're so much better, simpler times world was way better before the corona-virus incident.
Though I remember even back in 2018 I would be nostalgic towards 2014-2016, though right now I dont think about 2014-2016 since I dont think those we're my prime years. 2019-2020 we're the prime years for me, and I do try to re-create those moments by visiting places I have been in those years and perhaps listening to music too.
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Like I said, it's an evaluation of feeling about the contents of the memories feeling better than the present experiences, since nostalgia isn't just a recollection of a memory but a yearning to return to those times. The contents of the memories may or may not be about sense impressions, they can be about a relationship, feelings one experienced in that time, etc.
I mentioned SE to juxtapose it with SI so that it's more understandable what makes them different despite being both S.
I honestly have no idea how you got that from my post
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