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An Overview of the Nine and its Wings

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#1 ·
An Overview of the Nine (pg 247)

The inner landscape of the Nine resembles someone riding a bicycle on a beautiful day, enjoying everything about the flow of the experience. The whole picture, the entire situation, is what is pleasant and identified with rather than any particular part. The inner world of Nines is this experience of effortless oneness: their sense of self comes from being in union with the other. Naturally, they would like to preserve this quality of oneness with the environment as much as possible.

Their receptive orientation to life gives Nines so much deep satisfaction that they see no reason to question it or to want to change anything essential about it. Because Nines develop psychologically this way, we should not fault them if their view of life is open and optimistic. But we may fault Nines when they refuse to see that life, while sweet, also has its difficulties which must be dealth with. Their refusal to fix the tire when it goes flat, so to speak, is symbolic of their problem. They would rather ignore whatever is wrong so that the tranquility of their ride will not be disturbed.

In this personality type, we will see the personal cost of the philosophy of peace at any price. Refusing to deal with problems does not make them go away. Moreover, the peace Nines purchase is inevitably at the expense of others, and ultimately, at the expense of their ability to relate to reality. With all the good will in the world, Nines still may do terrible harm to others while coasting along, turning a blind eye on what they do not want to deal with.

The Major Subtypes of the Nine(pgs 269-272)

The Nine with an Eight-Wing

The traits of the Nine and those of an Eight-wing conflict with each other: Nines are passive and desire harmony with others, while Eights are aggressive, asserting themselves and following their self-interest. Since Nine is the basic personality type, people of this subtype tend to be fundamentally oriented to others, receptive, unselfconscious, passive and so forth, while some part of them asserts itself strongly, at least at times. This is one of the most difficult subtypes to understand because the component types are in such diametrical opposition to each other. Noteworthy examples of this subtype include Dwight Eisenhower, Gerald Ford, Ingrd Bergman, Bing Crosby, Perry Como, George Shultz, Walter Cronkite, Hugh Downs, Lady Bird Johnson, and Marc Chagall.

In healthy persons of this subtype, the Eight-wing adds an element of inner strength and willpower, as well as an expansive passionate quality to the overall style of personality. Despite their unselfconsciousness, healthy people of this subtype are able to assert temselves effectively; despite their graciousness and concern for others, they can be quite strong and forceful; despite their ability to subordinate themselves to others and to common goals they can be courageously independent; despite an easygoing manner, they can have formidable tempers, although these are rarely resorted to. Thus, healthy persons of this subtype, give the impression of strength and good nature, sensuality and power.

Average people of this subtype compartmentalize their emotions completely. While their self-image is one of peacefulness, they may occasionally be quite aggressive without realiing the extent of it. They can be complacent, even lazy, about achieving success in some areas of their lives, while being extremly competitive in others. If they are not intellectually gifted, they may seem slightly slow-witted - good-natured, but thick-headed - because neither the Nine nor the Eight is a particularly intellectual or thinking component. These people have strong elemental drives for psychological and sexual union with the other. Their self-interest is bound up with material comfort. When their protective instincts are aroused, they do not wish to hurt others so much as protect themselves and their property. Average persons of this subtype can become belligerent and confrontational toward others, but with little long-lasting personal animosity. Their greatest ire is aroused against those who attack their families, their beliefs, or their way of life. But once the crisis has past, they are apt to sue for peace, making allies of their former enemies.

Unhealthy Nines with an Eight-wing are capable of violence with little concern about the consequences of their actions. Aggressions and id impulses are strong in people of this subtype, and there is little superego or conscience to regulate these forces. Their aggressions may be particularly aroused by sexual jealousy of their spouses. Separation from a loved one through the alienation of affections is devestating to the Nine's sense of self and inflames the Eight's rage out of wounded pride. As a result, Nines with an Eight-wing can be physically dangerous, striking out impulsively. They may retaliate against those with whom they have come into clonflict while dissociating themselves emotionally from the harm they do.

The Nine with a One-Wing

The traits of the Nine and those of the One-wing tend to reinforce each other. Nines repress their emotions to maintain their peace, while Ones repress their emotions to maintain self-control. In this subtype we see people who are more emotionally controlled and cooler than those in the other subtype, although they may well display moments of anger and moral indignation. Noteworthy examples of this subtype include Ronald Reagan, Corazon Aquino, Abraham Lincoln, Queen Elizabeth II, Rosalynn Carter, Cyrus Vance, Henry Fonda, Gary Cooper, Jimmy Stewart, David Hartman, Princess Grace of Monaco, Rose Kennedy, Jim Henson, Walt Disney, Norman Rockwell, Dame Joan Sutherland, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Desdemona, Edith Bunker, and Mary Hartman.

Healthy persons of this subtype possess enormous integrity and are extremely principled. Their great common sense helps them be wise in their judgements, particularly about others. They are alert to issues of fairness and objectivity when they are called on to act or judge siuations. The One-wing adds a thinking component to this subtype, balancing the Nine's unselfconscious, receptive orientation. Healthy people here are interested in sharing what they know and appreciate the ideas and discoveries of others. They enjoy teaching and may be moral leaders, teaching most effectively by their example. The Nine's openness is combined with the One's objectivity; the result is simplicity and guilelessness toward others, peacefulness and moderation toward themselves.

Average persons of this subtype may be crusaders of some sort because they have an idealistic streak which makes them want to improve the world in whatever ways they can. They are sure of their opinions and usually have fixed conventional and conservative ideas about everything thta touches on their basic beliefs. People of this subtype tend to be orderly and self-controlled, particularly more emotionally controlled and less openly passionate that Nines with an Eight-wing. They can also be quite busy organizing the environment or planning its organization by others, while maintaining the motional disconnectedness characteristic of average Nines. Complacent and disengaged, they want to avoid all personal conflicts and antagonisms, but may be easily moved to anger since there is a testiness and edginess in this subtype. They may rationalize, moralize, or appeal to political, class, or religious ideologies to bloster their arguments. They can also be surprisingly impersonal and callous in their disregard for others, since average persons of this subtype abstract from the real world a great deal in favor of their idealistic notions.

Unhealthy persons of this subtype can be punitive toward others. They can become extremely angry, although in a highly compartmentalized way, acting impulsively, as if out of the blue. They are more resentful than Nines with an Eight-wing stewing over wrongs and injustices. If they act, unhealthy Nines with a One-wing can become quite arbitrary, contradicting their more ordinary behavior. Obsessive-compulsive tendencies are among their neurotic traits, and unhealthy persons of this subtype may become obsessive about their apparent troubles while dissociating themselves from either their compulsive actions or their real problems. They may, for example, decide to forget what has just been the focus of their obsession as if nothing had happened. Because defense mechanisms are less global than in the other subtype, neurotics here will tend to feel their conflicts more and will therefore be more likely to have severe emotional problems or breakdowns if they become very unhealthy.

Excerpts are taken from Personality Types: Using the Enneagram for Self-Discovery by Don Richard Riso
 
#3 ·
I think the character Big Zwey from the TV series Lonesome Dove was a really crazy type of 9w8.

Maybe Leatherface from the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre as well?

I'm not familiar at all with Big Zwey. I know very little of Leatherface, but my initial reaction would be a vehment no. He is the serial killer in the movie, correct?
 
#4 ·
The 9w8 description sounds a lot like me. I'm calm and peaceful most of the time but I can have a major temper and am a bit of a hothead and often have to restrain myself quite a bit when angry just because of how bad it can be. My temper can get so bad at times or I can get so combative that I've had people get afraid I was gonna beat someone up and drag them away when I was restraining myself or have people who tend to get argumentative not only not argue with me but step in when I start to get combative.
 
#5 ·
Found this 9w8 description, which is spot on for me:
Re: Part II: 9w8

9w8's are modest, personable, gregarious, and filled with self-effacing humor - they tend to have a bit of the "goofball" in them. They invariably make it a point that they don't demand much from life. When they get angry, they act on impulse, and can be quite explosive, though these episodes are usually followed by long stretches of languid self-questioning. Most 9w8's have a hard time accepting that they are prone to anger, which is ironic because anger is central in their lives - it is what gives them many of their characteristics; it is what they principally seek to evade, avoid, and ignore. One of the more striking traits that occur, somewhat consistently, in 9w8's is their physiques. There are skinny 9w8's, but they are in something of a minority. More typically, 9w8's have large, powerful frames with plenty of muscle mass. They also tend to be portly, especially as they grow older. They are not particularly concerned about the fussier points of personal appearance, and will often have a disheveled look about them. 9w8's are notable for their mellow, easy-going, down-to-earth qualities, though, in their best moments, they integrate the spiritual world with the physical one. If one word can describe their style of attention, it is "broad." They embrace the finer aspects of life, and are content to accommodate its shortcomings. You may wonder at their gift - they are able, and inclined, to view problems from all perspectives - theirs, yours, and life's. Of course, you may get a look at their darker side, which comes out when they are faced with that dreaded anger. In these instances, they take advantage of another aspect of their "broad" style of attention - words like "diffuse" and "watered-down" begin to apply, too. Some of their less healthy psychological defenses include cloudy thinking, hazy perceptions, dissociated responses, emotional deadness, and a stubborn refusal to face their problems. They are detached from the world, from others, and from themselves. At this stage, their 8 energy is being used not to express their anger, but to fight it, and when 8 energy declares war, it goes full throttle. In the case of the disturbed 9w8, this war is one that strives to eliminate their will. If the disturbances in the 9w8's life go unchecked, they could lapse into a kind of psychological coma. Before that happens, however, you will notice a grating undertone of anger, clearly evident in their person, which, in typical 9w8 fashion, they will likewise refuse to acknowledge.
 
#9 ·
Unhealthy Nines with an Eight-wing are capable of violence with little concern about the consequences of their actions. Aggressions and id impulses are strong in people of this subtype, and there is little superego or conscience to regulate these forces.
I noticed this in myself; didn't have any conscience until about 18 years old. Ethics seemed like a pointless extra set of rules to follow and remorse a sign of weakness. Until I read the Gita and afterwards for several hours I stared at a spider on my door wondering if I really had any right to end it's life. For years I would call this emerging spirtual side "white" since I hadn't heard of the superego yet

Most 9w8's have a hard time accepting that they are prone to anger, which is ironic because anger is central in their lives - it is what gives them many of their characteristics; it is what they principally seek to evade, avoid, and ignore.
Assuming during my teen years I was an unhealthy 9, this was true but not hidden; rage was my favourite emotion. I'd hit punching bags or walls barefisted, get into fights every lunch break and generally injure myself every month or two by pushing body parts until they gave out from the strain. "The flesh is weak" was my motto/excuse at the time

As far as the anger goes, there have only been two times in my life that I've been truly angry; in both cases the rage was blindingly intense but at the same time liberating and clear

There were no sides to consider, no doubt and absolutely no remorse, the kind of rage that would allow you to commit a violent crime and then sit there waiting to be taken to jail afterwards. The worst part is that this isn't an exagerration

It's like fire; consumes you when in it's grip, massively energising but you feel burnt out afterwards and there's usually a scar to remind you of it

You can understand why a person would go to great lengths to suppress such rage, especially if no healthy outlets for it are available
 
#13 ·
I very rarely get angry. On the extremely rare occasion that I do, I've been known to explode into a plethora of colorful language that really contrasts my usual political correctness. Needless to say, I get well needed messages across when I unleash the beast; although I've only truly gotten to that point 2 or 3 times in my life that I can remember.
 
#14 ·
I'm like a closed room filled with gasoline evaporating into the air. Walk in with a match and I will kick your teeth in on the spot. I'm highly flammable and can go from being numbed out and peaceful to in your face yelling and busting in your incises. However I also tend to control my outbursts so if it happens which is not often I will be swift, intense and over before you realize :p....I calm down quickly because i never really lose control...ever.
 
#16 ·
Looks like I'm 9w8..
 
#20 ·
[T]he Eight-wing adds an element of inner strength and willpower, as well as an expansive passionate quality to the overall style of personality.
Despite their unselfconsciousness, healthy people of this subtype are able to assert themselves effectively; despite their graciousness and concern for others, they can be quite strong and forceful; despite their ability to subordinate themselves to others and to common goals they can be courageously independent; despite an easygoing manner, they can have formidable tempers, although these are rarely resorted to.
Thus, healthy persons of this subtype, give the impression of strength and good nature, sensuality and power.
This :)

So much this.