[grandpa2390]

so according to this site intps make the best gamers https://whichmbtitype.wordpress.com/2012/12/14/which-mbti-type-is-the-best-video-gamer/
because....ne is used to find different stratagies to use against the apponinent and ti is good at solving logical problems during the game and being p is good for being in the moment comming up with new statagies to win.

seems, based on what you're saying, that ENTPs would be the best gamers. Ne to see the different strategies, and Ti to decide which ones are viable. Ti would have to urge us in the direction that is best. because not every solution is a good one. A well-developed ENTP seems like the best problem solver in this regard.

Dominant Ti would jump to a quick judgement on what to do, and Ne would have to urge Ti to explore other alternatives While Si, the yes-man, would tell you to ignore Ne, what your doing is comfortable, good.

Dominant Ne may be impractical at times, and Ti would have to urge us analyze the idea more carefully to see it is impractical.


based on this, we can look at, say a Pokemon game. and how each type would approach it.

INTP chooses his six Pokemon that he likes based on what he has analyzed. Ti is not always right and Ne steps in to say, explore alternatives for your team. Si says, you are comfortable with these six, it will be fine... even if it won't.

ENTP jumps straight to the exploring alternatives. Ti steps in to say, these ideas won't work against this opponent, but these will. by any means necessary. (perhaps even cheating??? which Fe tempts us with: if you don't get caught, it's not wrong I confess I've used chess master on the most difficult setting against an online opponent or two. just for fun. And this is before I saw the Dan Brown video where he defeats half of the chess grandmasters.


regardless, seems either type would be great at video games if their functions have developed to a satisfactory level. What difference does it truly make as long as you are mature enough in your auxiliary function to explore alternative or recognize that your ideas are invalid, try another one.


I read the article, and he flip flops. He claims intuitive types are the best. but INTP is not an intuitive type. the primary function is judging.
I agree with him. Intuitive types would be best. Especially for "Thinking outside the box" solutions.

Whether an ENTP or an ENFP is the better I think depends on the game.
shooting games and so forth, as others have said, would be better played by other types.

 

[naren]

seems, based on what you're saying, that ENTPs would be the best gamers. Ne to see the different strategies, and Ti to decide which ones are viable. Ti would have to urge us in the direction that is best. because not every solution is a good one. A well-developed ENTP seems like the best problem solver in this regard.

Dominant Ti would jump to a quick judgement on what to do, and Ne would have to urge Ti to explore other alternatives While Si, the yes-man, would tell you to ignore Ne, what your doing is comfortable, good.

Dominant Ne may be impractical at times, and Ti would have to urge us analyze the idea more carefully to see it is impractical.


based on this, we can look at, say a Pokemon game. and how each type would approach it.

INTP chooses his six Pokemon that he likes based on what he has analyzed. Ti is not always right and Ne steps in to say, explore alternatives for your team. Si says, you are comfortable with these six, it will be fine... even if it won't.

ENTP jumps straight to the exploring alternatives. Ti steps in to say, these ideas won't work against this opponent, but these will. by any means necessary. (perhaps even cheating??? which Fe tempts us with: if you don't get caught, it's not wrong I confess I've used chess master on the most difficult setting against an online opponent or two. just for fun. And this is before I saw the Dan Brown video where he defeats half of the chess grandmasters.


regardless, seems either type would be great at video games if their functions have developed to a satisfactory level. What difference does it truly make as long as you are mature enough in your auxiliary function to explore alternative or recognize that your ideas are invalid, try another one.


I read the article, and he flip flops. He claims intuitive types are the best. but INTP is not an intuitive type. the primary function is judging.
I agree with him. Intuitive types would be best. Especially for "Thinking outside the box" solutions.

Whether an ENTP or an ENFP is the better I think depends on the game.
shooting games and so forth, as others have said, would be better played by other types.

true but introverts would be more invested in the games

 

[grandpa2390]

true but introverts would be more invested in the games

I agree with you there. It is difficult for me to find video games I like, and to stick with them.
the last 2 video games I truly enjoyed were Stardew Valley on the Switch, and New Horizon: Zero Dawn.

The last Zelda Game was alright, but it became too repetitive.

I still disagree with the definition of Introvert/Extrovert he/she is using.

assuming his definition is correct, I would argue that introvertedness along with other qualities favors INTPs over many other types. but the vast majority of the arguments make ENTP stronger than INTP If, and only if, an ENTP can get interested/invested in the game enough to really play it.

 

[Reynir]

Jack of all trades style. Dig it!

Well, I was also aiming at the very useful, low Fe ..., it sometimes may force the intp into taking up the role needed instead of just ignoring the rest. (in teamplay that is)

 

[naren]

I agree with you there. It is difficult for me to find video games I like, and to stick with them.
the last 2 video games I truly enjoyed were Stardew Valley on the Switch, and New Horizon: Zero Dawn.

The last Zelda Game was alright, but it became too repetitive.

I still disagree with the definition of Introvert/Extrovert he/she is using.

assuming his definition is correct, I would argue that introvertedness along with other qualities favors INTPs over many other types. but the vast majority of the arguments make ENTP stronger than INTP If, and only if, an ENTP can get interested/invested in the game enough to really play it.

hmm i agree

 

[naren]

I agree with you there. It is difficult for me to find video games I like, and to stick with them.
the last 2 video games I truly enjoyed were Stardew Valley on the Switch, and New Horizon: Zero Dawn.

The last Zelda Game was alright, but it became too repetitive.

I still disagree with the definition of Introvert/Extrovert he/she is using.

assuming his definition is correct, I would argue that introvertedness along with other qualities favors INTPs over many other types. but the vast majority of the arguments make ENTP stronger than INTP If, and only if, an ENTP can get interested/invested in the game enough to really play it.

hey i see your a physicist.nice.as a physicist what insights have you had pertaining to mbti and personality.?

 

[grandpa2390]

hey i see your a physicist.nice.as a physicist what insights have you had pertaining to mbti and personality.?

I don't understand the question. I mean I understand the question, but I don't know how to interpret it.
I don't know how mbti and physics are related. unless you are really asking what I think of mbti as an educated man of science?

your avatar reminds me of tingle from the Zelda games.

 

[naren]

I don't understand the question. I mean I understand the question, but I don't know how to interpret it.
I don't know how mbti and physics are related. unless you are really asking what I think of mbti as an educated man of science?

your avatar reminds me of tingle from the Zelda games.

yea what do you think of mbti as a man of science?

 

[grandpa2390]

yea what do you think of mbti as a man of science?

I think it is a step above astrology. the idea of billions of people being one type.

I believe it is useful for self-analysis and improvement. but trying to base your interactions with other people on mbti is silly I think. I mean most of us mistype ourselves, how can we expect to rely on what other people type themselves as, much less how we type them.

So all these people that log in to ask about their INTP sibling or boyfriend... who expect all INTPs to be the exact same cookie cutter people. It's silly.

This is very useful for fun, like astrology. It often used beyond its reliability, religiously, like astrology. The only difference is that there is a logic to it and it is useful for self-improvement.

 

[naren]

I think it is a step above astrology. the idea of billions of people being one type.

I believe it is useful for self-analysis and improvement. but trying to base your interactions with other people on mbti is silly I think. I mean most of us mistype ourselves, how can we expect to rely on what other people type themselves as, much less how we type them.

So all these people that log in to ask about their INTP sibling or boyfriend... who expect all INTPs to be the exact same cookie cutter people. It's silly.

This is very useful for fun, like astrology. It often used beyond its reliability, religiously, like astrology. The only difference is that there is a logic to it and it is useful for self-improvement.

hmm makes sense.but myers briggs didnt say that every intp is the same or intj the same.no body can be put into a box.there are veriations,but i think in terms of the type of cognitive proccesses,we can all fit into one of the 16 types?we oviously use all the 16 different cognitive functions but we also prefer our top 4 so we can fit into one of the 16 types but no intp or intj is going to be the same i think its just the type of functions are are the same?>

check this video out tell me what you think?

 

[grandpa2390]

hmm makes sense.but myers briggs didnt say that every intp is the same or intj the same.no body can be put into a box.there are veriations,but i think in terms of the type of cognitive proccesses,we can all fit into one of the 16 types?we oviously use all the 16 different cognitive functions but we also prefer our top 4 so we can fit into one of the 16 types but no intp or intj is going to be the same i think its just the type of functions are are the same?>

check this video out tell me what you think?

haven't watched the video yet. But I just want to respond to that first part before I forget. I'm not referring to what the psychologists (jung, meyer&briggs, etc) believed when they wrote their papers and performed their research. I'm referring to the attitude the rest of the population holds. like in my example how so many people come on these forums to get advice about their friends/family because we are obviously all exactly the same.

You know what I mean.

 

[grandpa2390]

check this video out tell me what you think?

first 32 seconds. -

 

I know his type (the guy being talked about). For a while I listened to a podcast called "Stuff You Should Know" and I liked it. Thought it was pretty good and interesting. They had that skeptic attitude, and so forth. Then eventually they got to a topic that I was very familiar with. I think it was about Christianity and the Bible. Now I am not starting a debate over personal beliefs. If you don't believe in Christ, fine. But at least before you start trying to discuss the issues and so forth, you need to make sure you have your facts right. I'm all for listening to a skeptic question whatever I believe, but if you are coming from a place where you attacking strawmen... all you are doing is embarrassing your side. Right?
If you don't believe, great. but when you attack a straw man you are just discrediting the atheist side and causing every believer who is educated in theology, to consider themselves even more correct. When in reality, there may be very good arguments out there that could have been made. I heard a few very good arguments in a philosophy series given by a professor in "The Great Courses."

Not only did they discredit themselves on anything to do with Christianity. They discredited themselves on anything to do with other belief systems, like Islam. As much as I enjoy hearing other religions being discredited, I like my discredits to based on truth.
They've also discredited themselves on every other topic. Because they also did MBTI, and many other topics that I am very familiar with. and while their opinions (and arguments against) sounded coherent, they premises were untrue. With the MBTI episode, I kept saying, "that's not what MBTI says/teaches, or what its about."
at the very least, near the end they at least pointed out that they performed the test at one time as a team building exercise and it was fun. and they disagree with its use in hiring, etc. Those two things I agree with. But most everything else they said about MBTI...

I realized that in an effort to appear intelligent, informed, and push out more episodes, they probably just read a website or two and don't thoroughly do their research. I stopped following that podcast. And I've learned to be skeptical of shows/podcasts/youtubers/etc that are devoted to being skeptical

 

wasn't invented by scientists at all. laughable. sure myers and briggs might not have been "scientists", but their work was founded on the work of very famous scientist. and psychology is one of those subjects where you can perform research without a laboratory or degree. especially in the early days. perhaps now that is more difficult, but a lot of the experiments in psychology on human behavior are very simple and require no special equipment. and they were systematic.

I agree with the narrator. whatever that guy might argue about how scientific jung was, perhaps wasn't an experimental psychologist, he was a theoretical one. just like there is in Physics and Philosophy, etc. his ideas made enough sense that it is pretty obvious. people are introverted or extroverted. people are feelers or thinkers. that much is obvious. it is something you innately know your entire life.

if it weren't so, then the ideas wouldn't have taken hold.

 

about the quote taken out of context, the exception to the rule. exactly what I always say. you can't base your type or try and type others based on these profile-stereotypes. it can't accurately be done. it would be like guessing someone horoscope based on personality. in a blind test, i probably would identify with a few different horoscopes/mbti-stereotypes.
it's why my first response to anyone seeking advice about another person is: how do you know this person is that type? and not every XXXX is the same.

I guessed, after the 32 seconds that the guy was going to be misinformed, insulting, attacking a strawman, etc. and I was right. I continue my opinion that MBTI is most useful as a self-development tool, and perhaps an aid in understanding other people. If we are certain of their type.

a book I like is Personality Type: an owner's manual
a website I like is http://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/masterposts

 

[Saturniid]

I'd think this is highly subjective and depending on the genre of the game. Puzzle games, creativity, sure. We'd probably excel at that or similar.

However, games like Geometry Dash and Super Hexagon?

Let's just say lacking Se in the stack can really kick our tail sometimes. :dry:

 

[HeadofHudet]

Been a while since I played and watched SSBM, but I'm pretty sure "The Gods" (top 5 in the world) remain the same, and I think I can safely type 2, maybe 3 of them as INTPs.

 

First is of course Jason "M2K" Zimmerman. Very autistic guy who plays with perfect spacing and frame perfect precision, but has been known to have trouble with unconventional play styles and breaks down under pressure. He's worked with his flaws over the years though. Could also possibly be ISTP since his smarts are very mechanical-like in essence.

 

Then there's the evil genius, Kevin "PPMD" Nanny. Probably one of if not THE most insightful smashers in terms of meta theorizing. If he says that Falco wins the Puff matchup, it means it's true, and that he knows exactly how. He's also studied psychology, which might be how he seems to always have an edge in the mental game. If anything else than INTP, it's INTJ.

 

Last, but not least: Adam "Armada" Lindgren. Last I checked, he was indesputable #1 smasher in the world. He's basically just perfect in every area. What separates him is his insane patience, always making the best option in practically every input he does (note that top level Melee is 5-20 inputs per second, depending on the character and player). To be honest, though, I've always put him as an INFJ, but I still haven't ruled out INTP.

Mango and Hungrybox, the remaining two gods, are definitely not INTPs. Then there's Leffen, whom they called "The Godslayer" and is on par with the 5, yet loses to people in top 20. Leffen is an INTJ and the proclaimed villain of the smash scene.

 

[islandlight]

Not me. Maybe it's a generational thing, but computer games never interested me, even when someone tried to get me involved or I tried to give them a chance. I probably wouldn't have liked them anyway. I'm not good at strategy and am not into competition.

As for offline games, I prefer solitary games such as crossword puzzles. I don't mind some face-to-face games such as trivia or card games, as long as they involve no gambling and minimal strategy. For example, even though I'm good with words, I don't like Scrabble because of the strategy aspect.

 

[Grandmaster Yoda]

After LAN gaming parties went out of style, I invented WAN gaming parties to continue the fervor for network-based entertainment.

 

[Master_Star]

I have this weird perception in my head that all the good gamers are either INTP or ISFP.

 

[Master_Star]

Been a while since I played and watched SSBM, but I'm pretty sure "The Gods" (top 5 in the world) remain the same, and I think I can safely type 2, maybe 3 of them as INTPs.

 

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First is of course Jason "M2K" Zimmerman. Very autistic guy who plays with perfect spacing and frame perfect precision, but has been known to have trouble with unconventional play styles and breaks down under pressure. He's worked with his flaws over the years though. Could also possibly be ISTP since his smarts are very mechanical-like in essence.

 

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Then there's the evil genius, Kevin "PPMD" Nanny. Probably one of if not THE most insightful smashers in terms of meta theorizing. If he says that Falco wins the Puff matchup, it means it's true, and that he knows exactly how. He's also studied psychology, which might be how he seems to always have an edge in the mental game. If anything else than INTP, it's INTJ.

 

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Last, but not least: Adam "Armada" Lindgren. Last I checked, he was indesputable #1 smasher in the world. He's basically just perfect in every area. What separates him is his insane patience, always making the best option in practically every input he does (note that top level Melee is 5-20 inputs per second, depending on the character and player). To be honest, though, I've always put him as an INFJ, but I still haven't ruled out INTP.

Mango and Hungrybox, the remaining two gods, are definitely not INTPs. Then there's Leffen, whom they called "The Godslayer" and is on par with the 5, yet loses to people in top 20. Leffen is an INTJ and the proclaimed villain of the smash scene.

I think Mew2King is INTJ.
PPMD is INTP
Armada is INTP
Leffen, Hungrybox, and Mango are ISFP.

 

[HeadofHudet]

I think Mew2King is INTJ.
PPMD is INTP
Armada is INTP
Leffen, Hungrybox, and Mango are ISFP.

You could be right about Mango. Maybe M2K too, but I doubt Leffen and Hbox are ISFPs.

Mango is the trickiest to type. I've hovered between every ExxP type and in the end landed on ESFP, but ISFP also makes sense.

Hbox is ESFJ. Definitely extrovert, and his personality is "all of the place" as they like to call it. The way a majority of the smash scene (which predominantly consists of introverts) cringes at what he says and does very much reflects how a lot of people react to ESFJs. People call him "drama queen", but it's just how he is.

Leffen is also a bit tricky, but while I agree with that he has Fi, I don't think he leads with it. I have a hard time seeing him as anything but an INTJ or maybe ISTJ. Which introverted type fits "douchebag" and "anime villain"?

 

[ExEnemy]

i think INTP are too lazy to be best gamers in the sense of competitive gaming. Most do like video games though