[Stevester]

Yeah I simply cannot subscribe to that grid.





Initiating and Responding are just a rehash of introverted vs. extroverted.

Concrete vs. Abstract is literally Sensing vs. Intuition.

Informative vs Direct sounds more like assertiveness issues or some may argue some form of T vs. F. what with Ts hating to beat around the bush and Fs not wanting to come off as too abrasive and more prone towards the passive-aggressive.

Movement vs. Control sounds like it's P vs. J expect it doesn't match up. ISTJs for example are movement so they thrive in chaos and ESTPs are control so they need everything to be settled, like.....what in the actual fuck?? Someone really needs to explain this one to me.

Affiliative vs. Pragmatic also sounds like another version of P vs. J because it's essentially making judgments on your own vs. needing to validate with others, but again, it doesn't line up with J/P types in theory and I don't know why.

Finally Systematic vs. Interest is just a mess. It sounds like yet another take on J vs. P. but it's about following the rules vs. fuck it I do my own thing and for some reason NFs identify with the latter but NTs are apparently system followers and......?? You know what my head hurts.



And all of this is 100% accurate, non-disputable and can be done in 5 minutes based on 3 sentences someone utters.

I feel like there's some ''Trump'' strategy here: Throw so much shit at people, they won't know where to focus anymore and they'll be so caught up trying to tie up all the loose ends that at the end of the day they'll just have to take your word for it.

 

[Strawberry Lemonade]

I still arrive at ENTJ, with the only doubtful one being Direct/Informative, but that might just be my personal learned behavior of how best to get the results you want from people without offending. There is a correlation though between the types generally seen as being more assertive there.

Overall I think it's more accurate than inaccurate from my limited exposure to it, having watched a dozen or so of Joseph's videos.

 

[jetser]

Movement vs. Control sounds like it's P vs. J expect it doesn't match up. ISTJs for example are movement so they thrive in chaos and ESTPs are control so they need everything to be settled, like.....what in the actual fuck?? Someone really needs to explain this one to me.

As I understand it is about how you contain yourself.
Control people "move at their own pace", while Movement guys just go how the events go.

Truth to be told though I don't understand why ISTJs are Movements either. In my experience they're pretty contained although on a different level than ESTPs.

Affiliative vs. Pragmatic also sounds like another version of P vs. J because it's essentially making judgments on your own vs. needing to validate with others, but again, it doesn't line up with J/P types in theory and I don't know why.

That sounds more like a T vs F thing in my opinion.

Finally Systematic vs. Interest is just a mess. It sounds like yet another take on J vs. P. but it's about following the rules vs. fuck it I do my own thing and for some reason NFs identify with the latter but NTs are apparently system followers and......?? You know what my head hurts.

Actually I think it's the most interesting one. Systematic means that you follow a system that you have created for certain situations. It's like a question of professionalism.
In my experience it's right. NTs and SJs are the most professional of all types, they all crave a system which they see as the "working model" and they trust that instead of listening to their own heartbeat.
NFs follow their own heartbeats and SPs test rules all the time.


When me and my ESTJ friend play online he's always the one who sets up rules which he sees as working and I'm the guy who goes rouge. He always tells me when and what he does and wants to keep up some system while I just do whatever I feel like and I don't care about any rules as long as we win.

It's about what you trust. A system that always works some way (NTs, SJs), or your intellect or any other skills to handle the situation.
Apparently SPs (not surprisingly) are the latter and NFs - due to ideological reasons I think - do the same.

I feel like there's some ''Trump'' strategy here: Throw so much shit at people, they won't know where to focus anymore and they'll be so caught up trying to tie up all the loose ends that at the end of the day they'll just have to take your word for it.

Well you have to put up with it in any case with MBTI, at least this got a system which - to my experience - works.

 

[Eric B]

I need to backtrack; CS Joseph, Dave Superpowers (Objective Personality), Talk With Famous People (Eric Strauss; his full name) aren't connected, right? I just saw CS's Instagram, and it looked interesting with with posts on Beebe's model, though he often changes some of the names of the archetype positions. But he doesn't seem to use "jumpers" theory, though.
I guess they were all being discussed here together, and the INTP who was typed by TWFP used all three I think, so I thought they were all the same "movement", so to speak. Are CS and TWFP associated?

So a large consensus is that CS is no good? ("arrogance and generally unpleasant personal demeanour", which is what I experienced with Strauss, and mistyping people, even himself, etc. ? (Looking back at the thread, it's hard to tell who of these three is being talked about sometimes).

 

[Pippi]

I need to backtrack; CS Joseph, Dave Superpowers, Talk With Famous People (Eric Strauss; his full name) aren't connected, right? I just saw CS's Instagram, and it looked interesting with with posts on Beebe's model, though he often changes some of the names of the archetype positions. But he doesn't seem to use "jumpers" theory, though.
I guess they were all being discussed here together, and the INTP who was typed by TWFP used all three I think, so I thought they were all the same "movement", so to speak. Are CS and TWFP associated?

So a large consensus is that CS is no good? ("arrogance and generally unpleasant personal demeanour", which is what I experienced with Strauss, and mistyping people, even himself, etc. ? (Looking back at the thread, it's hard to tell who of these three is being talked about sometimes).

As far as I know, CS and TWFM aren't associated, but TWFM has an issue with CS typing himself as ENTP, and they both have videos about their disagreement over it.

I don't know who Dave is.

 

[integra]

i'm still #### but no one will believe it anyway.

 

[jetser]

It's a good example of Informative, Initiating and Movement type: (ENTP in this case)

Initiating: Initiating points

Informative: keeps adding additional info

Movement type: it's all about activity it's not about outcome

 

[goodvibe]

There are some interesting and worthwhile info one can gain from his videos, but does his system work?
It appears that most of the analysis on anything CS Joseph is about the man, his credibility, etc...but hardly about his work.

And for me, I have nothing against the man, but I am not sold on the system.

There are some people that I attempt to type using this grid/quiz and it comes up short.

For instance, I think the system fails when you try to fit personality neatly into these boxes. According to the CS Joesph grid/test, you can't be direct, initiating and movement? That is odd to me, because I have met and even lived with such people.

However, if I were to type that same person using a test, it at least generates an answer based upon different scenarios. The test would say, yes...such a person exists who are these things and the result is eSFP, but with only a slight preference for extroversion.

But with the CS Joesph system, it will force me into picking responding and the BS result will come up as ISTP — because a concrete, extroverted feeler can't be primarily direct in behavior? Sure.

Thus far, my conclusion is that you can get a much better idea of who the person is by taking the online test, or even just by reading the 16 type descriptions.

Not everyone is an ideal archetype that must fit squarely into a certain combination of boxes. If A and B, then must be A, B and D, but not A, B and C according to the system. But why not? Forcing to choose an incorrect box will yield an incorrect reult.

A type 5 eNFp personality is much different than a type 7 ENFP, but CS Joseph might falsely type this same person as an INTJ because he is not taking into consideration the wide spectrum within each personality type. I think this is the major flaw in his system.