I doubt there are many psychopathic feelers. Feeling is about values and is probably related to the fight/flight response. Psychopaths have a characteristic lack of this. I think most psychopaths are ESTPs - bold, individualistic thrill seekers.

 

I doubt there are many psychopathic feelers. Feeling is about values and is probably related to the fight/flight response. Psychopaths have a characteristic lack of this. I think most psychopaths are ESTPs - bold, individualistic thrill seekers.

Er, thanks, flattered:wink:

But seriously now: psychopathy have long list of traits, which have to be "completed" to meet clinical or at least subclinical criteria. Between others being remorseless, lack of empathy (inborn psychopaths) etc.
Some isolated "psychopathic" feature is having half of population, but not "complete menu".

BTW: I dont agree that values are that related to flight/fight response. People with strong flight/fight response are better at pretending having values ( stronger anxiety, seeking of social approval etc.). But their values arent necessarily internalized. If so, their actions are directed from outside, in which case it doesnt have strong connection to real moral/values. Some psychopaths are able of same: they dont feel internally what is right or wrong, but they remember, so they are able to "make it" indirectly and meet society criteria (especially in case here is chance they wouldnt get away with their actions...).

Also: Noradrenaline is related to level of flight/fight response. Low flight/fight response are having ppl who are understimulated (low dopamine, noradrenaline, strong extroverts etc.). But for example ADDers (usually low dopamine, with ADD_PI often low noradrenaline: in this case often prescribed Atomexin with low affinity with other neurotransmiters) tend to be more altruistic than majority population (not much psychopathic trait, isnt it?). In the other hand high noradrenaline state, for example manic phase or shizophrenia, must be ruled out before giving person antisocial label.

As for Feeling function: Feeler preference does mean, when deciding, that priority isnt impersonal objective facts , but more how your actions influence you personally and/or people around. I know some feelers, who tend to evaluate how their actions benefit them personally but as for other peoples interests....better move on and dont get angry :frustrating:.

P.S.: Dont try on me your party trick with throwing something in face of people to see how easily they are startlet. Im strong extrovert, e.g. you would get scared for no reason (any kind of Antisocial disorder not present, despite ESTP, Im even not Egocentric:tongue.

 

Psychopaths have their own personality type. Many of their characteristics do not complement each other in an empathic person. For instance, psychopaths tend to be introverted; however, they seek simulation which is an extrovert trait.

 

Probably IxTx... But I'm not sure.
I wonder what type is most likely to be a yandere :crazy:

 

I wonder what type is most likely to be a yandere :crazy:

Haha me too xD
My avatar happens to be a yandere. I love yanderes lol =P

I think yanderes most likely have Fi as dom or aux.

 

Lulz, first: define psychopathy? By who's definition, in which decade. . .

I tend to categorize it under primary and secondary. Secondary I equate to sociopathy.

Any type can end up a sociopath. It's acquired, yet requires a genetic load towards psychopathy.

Primary psychopaths will test out with high E , N, and T.

Hitler was actually just a secondary psychopath.. a sociopath. He was also a feeler

Most of the people pulling the strings behind our socio-political curtain are ENTX.. they're "subclinical" rulers who can objectively steer the institutions, and those institutionalized as they see fit.

 

But seriously now: psychopathy have long list of traits, which have to be "completed" to meet clinical or at least subclinical criteria. Between others being remorseless, lack of empathy (inborn psychopaths) etc.
Some isolated "psychopathic" feature is having half of population, but not "complete menu".

This depends on whether you view it as a distinct category or a dimensional trait. I think the latter makes the most sense when you consider how normal personality traits are genetically linked to personality disorders in a pretty predictable way.

BTW: I dont agree that values are that related to flight/fight response. People with strong flight/fight response are better at pretending having values ( stronger anxiety, seeking of social approval etc.). But their values arent necessarily internalized. If so, their actions are directed from outside, in which case it doesnt have strong connection to real moral/values. Some psychopaths are able of same: they dont feel internally what is right or wrong, but they remember, so they are able to "make it" indirectly and meet society criteria (especially in case here is chance they wouldnt get away with their actions...).

I think the fight/flight is the basis of values. If someone puts out his cigarette in a child's face or has sex with animals most people have a gut reaction to this and then conclude that it is wrong, not the other way around. Some less obvious matters are a matter of conformism, but most often it is internalized so it becomes a true value. And in this case it's about the fear of being ostracized so it still goes back to the fight/flight response. But sometimes it's a show similar to that of the psychopath.

Also: Noradrenaline is related to level of flight/fight response. Low flight/fight response are having ppl who are understimulated (low dopamine, noradrenaline, strong extroverts etc.). But for example ADDers (usually low dopamine, with ADD_PI often low noradrenaline: in this case often prescribed Atomexin with low affinity with other neurotransmiters) tend to be more altruistic than majority population (not much psychopathic trait, isnt it?). In the other hand high noradrenaline state, for example manic phase or shizophrenia, must be ruled out before giving person antisocial label.

I have not heard about ADHD being linked to empathy, but there seems to be an overlap between this condition and psychopathy - both groups being extraverted, thrill-seeking, and impulsive. There are studies showing that ADHD traits in childhood predict psychopathic traits in adulthood. But ADHD is much more common so plenty of these will have empathy. Perhaps one difference could be serotonin levels? Schizophrenia seems to be a high noradrenaline state and yes it can be confused with psychopathy, and they can also lack empathy so it's complicated.

P.S.: Dont try on me your party trick with throwing something in face of people to see how easily they are startlet. Im strong extrovert, e.g. you would get scared for no reason (any kind of Antisocial disorder not present, despite ESTP, Im even not Egocentric:tongue.

It's a correlation, so it may not work on you, but I would certainly be on my guard against anyone showing a weak startle reflex : O I'm not saying ESTPs all have some psychopathy, only some of the more extreme individuals of this type.

 

I think the fight/flight is the basis of values. If someone puts out his cigarette in a child's face or has sex with animals most people have a gut reaction to this and then conclude that it is wrong, not the other way around. Some less obvious matters are a matter of conformism, but most often it is internalized so it becomes a true value. And in this case it's about the fear of being ostracized so it still goes back to the fight/flight response. But sometimes it's a show similar to that of the psychopath.

I don't agree with this. This startle would have to do with how someone processed a novel event in the moment. So what? They could introspect later and realize it was wrong, then use this reasoning to form a principal which could be applied to future, similar situations. Hence, the startle reflex is simply not necessary.

The basis of morality needs intact empathy circuits, and intellectual reasoning in order to build sympathy. Through these three components: empathy, sympathy, and reasoning, values will be formed. The higher the composite score of the three, the deeper, and more layered the reasoning will become.

 

I don't agree with this. This startle would have to do with how someone processed a novel event in the moment. So what? They could introspect later and realize it was wrong, then use this reasoning to form a principal which could be applied to future, similar situations. Hence, the startle reflex is simply not necessary.

Yes, but I view that as a post hoc theory, something that is made up to explain the gut reaction. You rarely have a bad gut reaction, think about, and conclude that it was after all a good thing.

The basis of morality needs intact empathy circuits, and intellectual reasoning in order to build sympathy. Through these three components: empathy, sympathy, and reasoning, values will be formed. The higher the composite score of the three, the deeper, and more layered the reasoning will become.

That to me is like intellectualizing something that is basic wiring. People enjoy doing this for some reason. For instance, attitudes on capital punishment and abortion are highly inheritable, but no one says, "I'm against abortion because it's in my genes". They want some elaborate explanation that they can feel is theirs.

 

Yes, but I view that as a post hoc theory, something that is made up to explain the gut reaction. You rarely have a bad gut reaction, think about, and conclude that it was after all a good thing.

I don't get "gut reactions". That is something that simplistic people seem to get.

That to me is like intellectualizing something that is basic wiring. People enjoy doing this for some reason. For instance, attitudes on capital punishment and abortion are highly inheritable, but no one says, "I'm against abortion because it's in my genes". They want some elaborate explanation that they can feel is theirs.

It may be basic wiring to you, but then, you probably have basic reasoning to your moral code. I don't.

 

Hm. If we're going by Cleckley' version of psychopathy, I'd have to say E(?)xTx. One of the most characteristic traits of a psychopath is, of course, a lack of aFFect.
Now, sociopaths are different in my mind. In Criminology, they're interchangable. I disagree. I view sociopaths as psychopaths that lack superficial glib and charm (i.e., I).

Conclusion: Because they lack affect, I believe that they cannot be Fs.

 

I've taken many Psychopath tests before, and have been acknowledged as one. It doesn't mean you can't feel or be nice or whatever it just means you have a lack of empathy and guilt and I'm an ENFP, shockingly lol

 

I think a F user psycopath will be autodestructive, and also will hurt other people emotionally, because of a F user, they know how to do it.

 

Actually I'm not very destructive or crule to people I just don't really have a sense of guilt
I still have emotions theirs nothing that says psychopaths can't have feelings

 

Enfp psycopath? I can't believe. Although, in a rational basis, I understand what you say. I suppose that at least in theory he/she will have all the emotional espectrum asociated with Fi-users, but lacking (for example) the sense of guilt due to harming other people.
I am discussing in a teoretical scenario, I don't mean you can't be nice or help people. The image of psycopaths in society are like people very cruel. In general, we are conditioned by that image, or at least it's my case.
I'm an Infp, and because I understand your personality type, (same funtions, only changing order) it first sounded like: no, that's impossible.
I think personality type is related to genetics, and in the case of Enfp, empathy is in theory an important trait due to being auxiliary Fi users.

Although, I know people that I think are Fi users, either auxiliary or dominant, that show no empathy for other people. Maybe the descriptions of the types vary a lot depending the person.






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Enfp psycopath? I can't believe. Although, in a rational basis, I understand what you say. I suppose that at least in theory he/she will have all the emotional espectrum asociated with Fi-users, but lacking (for example) the sense of guilt due to harming other people.
I am discussing in a teoretical scenario, I don't mean you can't be nice or help people. The image of psycopaths in society are like people very cruel. In general, we are conditioned by that image, or at least it's my case.
I'm an Infp, and because I understand your personality type, (same funtions, only changing order) it first sounded like: no, that's impossible.
I think personality type is related to genetics, and in the case of Enfp, empathy is in theory an important trait due to being auxiliary Fi users.

Although, I know people that I think are Fi users, either auxiliary or dominant, that show no empathy for other people. Maybe the descriptions of the types vary a lot depending the person.
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I'm an ENFP sociopath* but I mistyped as ENTP for a while. I realized I actually thought of my emotions when making a decision, as like, an emotional compass. I have a very shallow affect which fucking sucks as a Fi-aux because I feel like I would function much more ideally if I could feel. My systems completely lack logical structure, I often lose my track of thought and cannot explain what I mean (Ti-PoLR).
*Not an official diagnosis; but it's the best way I could think of to describe my symptoms.

 

Yeah we'll off course I'm not a psycho, just got high results in the test Completely of subject I recorded the personality types of 152 people that I know ranging from 12-90 most being like 40, INFP's made up 6% just thought I'd let u know in case u were interested in knowing what percentile u where ENFP's are 2% (so are INTJ's) and the ENTP'S and ENTJ'S are the rarest at 1%. The most common are ISFP'S, ISFJ'S and ESFP'S at 15%

 

6% is not much, always rare xD
Those S, ruling everything lol

 

As someone who has studied psychopathy extensively, my conclusion is that there is no correlation between it and typology.

(I will come back and elaborate later.)

 

I know lol that's what I thought This is in England though and theirs a lot of introverts here ENFP'S for some reason are really rare here though where u from?

 

Definitely a lot of introverts in England. One of my motivations for emigrating from there. I was too bubbly for the miserable attitude permeating there.





I'm an ESTP. I don't think MBTI would really apply to psychopaths. Their personality is screwed up or underdeveloped. I heard that all children are psychopaths because they're still developing. That's why no one tests children for MBTI. It can change so much and so rapidly all the time. There's no fixed personality type.

 

I like having a lot of introverts as an ENFP I liven up the atmosphere which makes me feel needed and unique but I am thinking about moving to Israel when I'm older (I'm 14 now) because like 70% of their population are N's, so I can pick my wife their hopefully that's if I don't get blown up by a incoming missile because their always at war roud:
Well I think if ure a psychopath that you like ubba develop your thinking and intuition function but basically leave your feeling and sensory function that's just my thoughts on the matter anyways
so where do u live now? O and how old are you?
:happy:

 

14? No wonder your tests come back high for psychopath. You might stay ENFP, you might change.

I'm 32 and live in Canada. I've been happier here. Lots of Introverts, but they're so used to Americans that they don't have a problem with me at all. Plus they've got wilderness to play in. And I can have a gun.