From what I've read in his manifesto he loved material things. He remarked he had a BMW and still could not get laid. He thought his $200.00 Hugo Boss jeans would help improve "my self worth" and was surprised when they didn't. He was all about appearances and "the external" - he made fun of fat people on the bodybuilding forum, was mad minorities had sex with blond girls. He seemed to look to "things" to make himself happy. Did not seem to have ANY internal validation.... Always looking outward, to what was in the environment to complete him. Looking for women to complete him... ***why won't you pay attention to me, date me, kiss me, have sex with me girls?*** He believed in what society had programmed into him- that age 22 was way too young to still be a virgin. I think that is absurd.

If there is a type that finds happiness in cars, jeans, expensive superficial shit, or LOOKS to the external to make themselves complete as a human, then I guess he was that type, but this kid had been seeing a therapist since age 8, and see my SIGNATURE, MBTI is for healthy personalities.

It has been said in the MSM he was high functioning Asperger's.

 

Wow that's sad. How do you know about the bodybuilding forum?

 

Felt a little awkward watching those... Do INFP's become this narcissistic when they're unstable? When I think of an INFP who's mental health declined, I think Vincent van Gogh or Edgar Allan Poe (questionable). Someone who punishes and harms themselves. Could be wrong, I don't know. Just thinking...

 

He was a narcissist + he was an entitled misogynist.
He struggled b/wn wanting to see women as blow up dolls and actual people but his sense of superiority didn't allow him to see them as people but as animals. They were animals b/c they acted like animals. However, even if this seems so, he was unable to see that people make reckless, selfish decisions but they are still humans even if their actions are animalistic.
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Those videos made me cringe.

 

I don't think so, he lacked empathy/feeling. He was a sociopath, spoiled, narcissistic, illogical, emotional unstable, socially awkward and entitled. It was a deadly combo. Kid was a ticking time bomb. On top of that his narcissistic environment (Hollywood, riches) would make it near impossible to find help.
INFP =/= sociopath.

 

He was not a sociopath. He was narcissistic. Everyone assumes that if you have no conscience and no empathy for others, you have to be a sociopath, but that isn't true.

Sociopaths are charming and care little about how the world views them. Think about Ted Bundy.

They are unaffected by others' opinions. They do not need to be admired or accepted by society. They do not need to fit in.

Narcissists seek attention and acceptance for it's own sake, and are miserable if they don't get it.

• Psychopaths seek attention and acceptance because it is part of a technique to get something else. Attention and/or acceptance for it's own sake doesn't matter to how a psychopath feels.
• Narcissists get very hurt when they get rejected.
• Psychopaths do not feel any emotional pain or discomfort when they get rejected.

 

Hard to believe he was serious. First I thought the videos were meant as a joke.

 

Based on these videos, I imagine him spent his time waiting for girls to come to talk to him instead of actively seeking girls out. Or maybe he did but talked too literally.

I don't think he is an entitled misogynist, quite the opposite in a way. Everything he says in his videos are about how he tried to improve himself just so girls would like him. He keeps emphasising how girls are beautiful, and points out girls deserve better men, then he lists some very positive qualities that he has which, however, if you think about it, are compliments to girls as he is implying girls deserve men with these good qualities. He never for once use any degrading words to describe girls. With his background, he could have opened a party and have sex with girls (or even drugged the girls) when they were drunk, he could easily get a gold-digger but he didn't.

I agree that he has Asperger's. Instead of obsessive with numbers, plane models, he is obsessive with girls and from the way he talks, the things he likes and dislikes you can tell he is naive and kind of perfectionist. He copies what he learns about being a perfect boyfriend from the mainstream. To him it is like memorising an equation and applies it to a maths question. When the answer is not correct, he gets confused. Things could have turned out differently were he not brain washed to think it was necessary to lose one's virginity young and had a girlfriend by his side.

 

Based on these videos, I imagine him spent his time waiting for girls to come to talk to him instead of actively seeking girls out.

I hope that was the case. Because I would be worried about the women he would be together with.

 

I'm sorry but I am disgusted how every time a white privileged male commits a crime that its based on a mental illness (which massively stigmatises such mental illnesses). Instead of perhaps looking to the root of the problem which is internalised misogyny and men feeling entitled to sex. I'm sorry that this wasn't 100% relevant- but just from what I've seen in the media and this thread I'm frustrated. Eurgh sorry rant over.

Just to return to the topic: as mentioned above he seems too materialistic to be INFP. As for enneagram I guess he could be an unhealthy 4w5 who have a tendency for obsessions and being completely uninterested in anything else...

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I'm sorry but I am disgusted how every time a white privileged male commits a crime that its based on a mental illness (which massively stigmatises such mental illnesses). Instead of perhaps looking to the root of the problem which is internalised misogyny and men feeling entitled to sex. I'm sorry that this wasn't 100% relevant- but just from what I've seen in the media and this thread I'm frustrated. Eurgh sorry rant over.

Misogyny and a sense of entitlement don't just materialize out of thin air, so how can they be the root of anything?

 

Here's a post that is supposed to be from the bodybuilding forum dated 5/19/2014:

 

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Oh wow!! Ive seen that user before !:shocked:
Wow, at his comments.

 

Sadly many videos of his youtube channel got deleted. Including the most fun one - the final one. Good thing it is possible to find at least that one final video.

 

Yes. I agree. I wasn't aware of the Asperger's. It makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
Still sad.

 

Elliot Rodgers: I'm such a magnificent guy. I'm beautiful. You can't deny that.

...

Spear hand to the neck

 

If I grew up as a rich kid with a beamer, I'd drive to the beach almost everyday to go sunbathing, then I'd drive to a local burger joint and order a delicious sandwich, and then maybe stop by the nearest flower shop, so I can decorate my apartment with flowers. Single or not single, I'd do my best to take advantage of all these beautiful things (at least that's what I did when I felt rejection from others). I would do my best enjoy life (even alone) and not give a sh*t about others. Obviously having nice things wasn't enough for him.

Yeah, I don't know how I would type him. Going by Sily's post, we do not have to type him.

 

To know if Rodgers was an INFP or not, we must make a distinction between two types of violence. The first one being real violence and the other one being imaginary violence. If we, as INFPs, feel the urge to be violent, we become violent in our fantasies. We discharge all of our aggression in fictional contexts because that's how our wild imagination does things. All of that leads us to avoid real life violence. In other words, we imagine being violent. Rodgers carried out real violence. That's already an odd behavior for an INFP. Furthermore, all his life he felt the need to have a huge social circle and lots of sexual attention. He also tried to obtain all of this at all costs. That implies that he wasn't even an introvert. Chances are he was a frustrated extrovert, and let's not even write about his carefully planned act, typical of other personality types I won't mention here. My verdict is that this person was not an INFP.

 

Whenever someone turns into a deadly monster I'm always curious what lead to it. Ultimately he's responsible for what he did, though he's dead. 22 is old enough to know better. But I wonder how his role models were, where he got his values from & what choices he made that lead up to him being a violent & hateful dirtbag. Maybe this was in him all along. Some people are fine when they're getting what they want but when they don't they snap. Maybe all he knew was money & what it could buy. But he couldn't buy love & that seemed to royally offend him. Like "My dad's the Hunger Games director so women are supposed to throw themselves at me." Egocentric as they get. Seems he graded his self worth by Hollywood standards, which would kill anyone's spirit. That's a shallow way to live. I couldn't begin to guess his type. ExxJ maybe.

 

If you are very curious and haven't done so already, you should read his manifesto: Manifesto of Elliot Rodger

It's long, but provides some really fascinating insight in to the mind and motives of a killer. He details his entire life and explains, from his perspective, why it went sour. It's a bit of a treat when in most cases we know so little about the motives of spree killers like him.

I haven't finished his manifesto yet, and it's extremely difficult to type someone who is so disturbed, but I will say that I don't think he is likely to be an INFP. He places a great deal of importance on societal expectations and values and is constantly seeking external validation, so I would guess that he has a wildly unhealthy and out of control version of Fe somewhere in his function stack. But I'm not enough of an expert to say anything with certainty.

 

per·son·al·i·ty dis·or·der
noun
Psychiatry
noun: personality disorder; plural noun: personality disorders

a deeply ingrained and maladaptive pattern of behavior of a specified kind, typically manifest by the time one reaches adolescence and causing long-term difficulties in personal relationships or in functioning in society.

I'm sure our perpetrator had one.

Can someone with a personality disorder be typed?

Any psychology experts out there?

 

Not a psychology expert, but a typology enthusiast

Type theories allow & even include how a type looks when extremely unhealthy, ie, when distorted by such a thing as a personality disorder, sometimes even linking certain kinds of neuroses to certain types. In other words, type theory would say certain types tend to go bad in similar ways.

In typing him, I focused on how his thought processes came across in his manifesto, as well as how he described his personality & was seen by others. I did not type him according to his heinous deed, as that certainly cannot be attributed to type, but rather mental/emotional unhealthiness & immoral choices.

 

I think what I can identify with him is his kind of moralistic value judgements. Like...he can't simply say, "X didn't work with the girls I met," he has to say (something like), "the girls reject me because they think I am worthless...when in fact I am not." Actually, he went way beyond that to say that he was superior in various instances in his manifesto.

But...I feel like it's the same kind of thinking that can also say, "I must be worthless because people reacted this way." Instead of saying he is worthless, like I am familiar with (and maybe other INFPs), he says that others are worthless. I feel like it's a way of navigating the world through moral value judgements. Things aren't just reactions, but judgments from god. And his example is a really negative amplification of this kind of thinking. (Maybe this thinking could be described as black and white, which does seem prevalent in certain personality disorders...and Kiersey seems to describe INFPs with something similar)

Anyway...I do think he had some personality disorder on top of aspergers (if that's what he really had). Certainly not just an example of an unstable INFP, since i have been unstable many a time and I wouldn't escalate to the point he did.

Edit: Also, I feel kind of guilty but I couldn't help but feel a little envious that he got a freaking BMW from his family, as well as international trips, and his rent paid for college! But he was unable to appreciate these things for some reason, maybe because the thing he wanted more was some primitive relic of human companionship.

 

Like Luka Magnotta, he was a malignant narcissist: "a disturbing form of narcissistic personality where grandiosity is built around aggression and the destructive aspects of the self become idealized".

Yes, someone with what is called "personality disorder" can have a Myers Briggs type. And the only way to find out would be if they took the test. Who knew!

It would not matter anyway. Personality types are a theory not accepted by or related to the DSM.

Anywho, even "malignant narcissist" itself is just saying "He does evil things and we don't know why!" in a way that sounds intelligent and in control.

And so many people have aspergers and are lovely, gentle people... so I don't think that's a particularly helpful thing to point out either.

 

Someone took down the videos, but reuploaded it here:

 

Personally, I don't think that he was an INFP. His facial expression is way too cold.

 

When these things come up I always think of the scene in ConAir where Nicholas Cage's buddy asks him about a psychopath on the same plane and says "What the hell is wrong with him?" and he answers "My first thought would be "Alot"."

 

hahaha

 

I could've sworn the guy was an INTJ after listening to his manifesto; planning with Ni, executing "perfectly" with Te, complete disregard for human lives in lieu of his own hurt feelings (tert Fi). INFP seems extremely unlikely.

 

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The most fun one??

Jesus.....

 

This guy had serious self-esteem issues even though he acted like a narcissist. Being a narcissist is having low self-esteem too. Being a guy raised with lots of privileged he felt he deserved everything. That’s the issue with some spoiled rich kids. People need to understand that things happen at their given moment. You cannot force things to happen and be so bitter about life. People are lacking emotional intelligence these days.

If every single person who is suffering of loneliness does what that guy did there would be no humanity. Hundred of people go through the same thing he was going through. Many people suffer from rejection by the opposite sex including females. People need to stop comparing their lives to others and stop feeling pressure to lose their freaking virginities like it's the ultimate goal in life.

 

Apparently he's autistic, which makes him more likely to be an INTP or INTJ. I do relate a little to some of the things he had to say since I have had my fair share of lady problems (FOREVER ALONE FOR REALZ MAN! ), but where he differs from most INFPs is his grandiose self worth. Not to say that INFPs cant be narcissistic, because everyone can be, but I think a narcissistic INFP will portray his self worth from the perspective of how unique and different he is, not so much like "I'm gorgeous, why no one love me?"

 

No, I'm pretty sure he was 3w2 ISFJ. Also if you read his manifesto it wasn't just about not losing his virginity. It was about being almost completely socially isolated from the age of 13 onwards. I've spent a lot of my life being socially isolated to one degree or another and even I was like "holy SHIT this dude has a lonely life" when I read it.

Dylan Klebold on the other hand...about as INFP as it's possible to get. You guys should read his diary if you have a free moment.

 

Dylan Klebold on the other hand...about as INFP as it's possible to get. You guys should read his diary if you have a free moment.

I remember reading his journals. They scared me, but they also broke my heart. Nothing can justify what he did, but damn that kid was sad. I could see INFP for him.