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ENFPs and Small-talk

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#1 ·
I was under the impression ENFPs can talk for hours and never tire, but after seeing this post on Pinterest, it made me question my previous understanding:



So could it be true? Do ENFPs loathe small-talk?
 
#2 · (Edited)
Shitting on small-talk is a typology trope.

I had a very good discussion with an INTP about small-talk and she convinced me why for them in particular it has to do with energy conservation (seriously), so I understand why introverts would have a problem with it. But there's no way will I ever believe that an extrovert - whose energy is derived from other individuals and interactions with them would care too much about the difference between "big talk" and "small talk".

People have their preferences, but I doubt that if you're an extrovert that you would not realize the importance of small talk when it comes to making new friends and meeting new people.

You can't just go directly from "Hello" to "Hey do you want to talk to me about the geopolitical state of your local neighborhood?" Small talk is a gateway to more meaningful conversations. If someone dropped into my DM's (or IRL) and outright asked me "Hey, so how about that Chimpumpman's Theory about Quantuam Poop, eh?" ... I'm gonna look at them like they're high or on drugs or something.

Segue into meaningful conversation .. It's not that difficult. If you outright say you dislike it, then how do you even engage people? Do you directly ask them about their views on Communism?

Does she condescendingly roll her eyes at someone who just says "Hey nice weather we're having" .. Like *eye-roll .. er mer gerd .. sooo patheettic* ... What's even going on in her head there?
 
#3 ·
Shitting on small-talk is a typology trope.

I had a very good discussion with an INTP about small-talk and she convinced me why for them in particular it has to do with energy conservation (seriously), but there's no way will I ever believe that an extrovert - whose energy is derived from other individuals and interactions with them would care too much about the difference between "big talk" and "small talk".

People have their preferences, but I doubt that if you're an extrovert that you would not realize the importance of small talk when it comes to making new friends and meeting new people.

You can't just go directly from "Hello" to "Hey do you want to talk to me about the geopolitical state of your local neighborhood?" Small talk is a gateway to more meaningful conversations. If someone dropped into my DM's (or IRL) and outright asked me "Hey, so how about that Chimpumpman's Theory about Quantuam Poop, eh?" ... I'm gonna look at them like they're high or on drugs or something.

Segue into meaningful conversation .. It's not that difficult. If you outright say you dislike it, then how do you even engage people? Do you directly ask them about their views on Communism?
In my mind, I was envisioning the conversation taking place with someone you had known for a long while and not someone you had just met. I agree small-talk is likely the only avenue when you meet someone for the first time, or even the first few times, but how do ENFPs feel about small-talk with someone they've gotten to known?

Also, your type displays ESTP. Is that a mistype or are you an ESTP commenting on an ENFP thread?

Cheers.
 
#5 ·
It's a mistype. I'm really an INFJ.
I'm an INFJ as well, but have never tested as anything other than an INFJ. I've never met an ESTP that didn't clash significantly with me (my own mother is an ESTP and we have difficulty understanding one another constantly). I'm curious as to how you tested as an ESTP initially as they are polar opposites in type to us INFJs.
 
#6 ·
There was a thread all about this actually on the INFJ threads about a month ago. Small talk is a means to an end. We want to get in deep. I guess the question is what the definition of small-talk is. But we have a great thirst for meaningful conversation— so it depends on what is meaningful.
I can get into the meaningful stuff fast and I get right in there for my job as well, so I practice this multiple times a day.
 
#7 ·
When people talk about small talk, they're often talking about their experience with small talk and not about small talk as an art form. You see, most people who engage in small talk do it insincerely without any rhyme or reason. The quality of conversation is low and you're left wondering why this person even spoke to you in the first place. However, one should not allow experience to cloud one's judgement. Experience is supposed to enrich your perspective, not restrict it. If you don't allow such experiences to restrict your perspective, you will probably start to recall some amazing conversations you've had that consisted entirely of small talk.

Personally speaking, the best conversations I've had were a mix of small and deep talk, but mostly small talk. Something like 70-80% small talk and 20-30% deep. I find it sad that so many intelligent people allow themselves to believe that small talk takes no skill and when they engage in it they don't even try. They will be semi present and devoid of enthusiasm as they meekly ask you what the weather is like. Their "I don't give a damn" levels are so high, they will sometimes ask you this when you're outside baking in the sun. It's so robotic and far removed from humanity that the experience leaves a foul taste in one's mouth. On the opposite end, an enthusiastic and skilled conversationalist can small talk for days and you will crave their company, wondering when you will see them next so they can finish that story where the tortoise spiked the hare's drink before their race.

As an ENFP, my mind doesn't perceive the finer details until someone points it out or I focus really hard, then I'm all like "oooow". Seeing the finer details is necessary for small talk because it's the finer details in a seemingly unimportant topic that makes it fun to talk about. I'm actually quite good at small talk but I have to put in a lot of conscious effort because unlike deep conversation topics, interesting small talk topics don't come naturally to me and I end up spending more time in my head thinking of topics than I do instinctively in the moment, which kind of sucks. So when I'm the one leading a conversation, it will either end in 15-30 mins, or it will get deep, otherwise I get mentally exhausted. However when I'm not the one leading the conversation, and my convo partner knows how to small talk, it's a dream. Good small talk recharges you without draining you.

On the point of engaging in small talk with people you know. I spend hours at a time talking with my mom and most of our conversations consist mostly of small talk. 2 of my cousins love to small talk and I enjoy their company immensely. We've pulled many all nighters talking about meaningless crap. The thing is both of these cousins and my mom are all really good at small talk. In contrast to the people I described earlier, they are enthusiastic, not overly polite, unpredictable and have an eye for the finer details. They don't just blurt out the first meaningless thing that pops into their mind. They choose meaningless topics that are interesting and funny.

To answer your question: ENFPs love small talk but need someone with an for eye the finer details to lead the conversation, and sadly, such people are scarce.
 
#11 ·
I really appreciate this post because it is absolutely true there are people who are so good at small talk and it is so NICE and such an art form. I think I heard the best small talk ever in the South, but also in Denmark... people could talk weather and FOOD and have it be so interesting, truly! It can be just pleasant. However, I could really only listen in awe, I am not good at it. I'm libel to ask someone something personal and get into something deep and sometimes with someone you don't know if you should really trust yet, it can be too deep for comfort too. In my job I have to talk about people's health and what is meaningful to them and how their lives are run and I make it pleasant. They feel cared about and I can joke with them. But it's not time to talk about me. You know what I really love and have no talent for? I wonder if other ENFPs are good at it though.... but a good yarn. Like a good story about some crazy thing someone did. Lit the house on fire with their cousin with fireworks when they were 9 years old... that kind of story. Love those type SO much. But we do need to get at that definition of "small talk".
 
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#9 ·
I dislike small-talk. I know everyone here is trying to suggest it's not possible to be an ENFP that dislikes small-talk. It's why I come across as a quiet person with some people. I get energy from being around people, I enjoy listening, but I don't like forcing conversation so I don't, I let others carry the conversation and if I find something intriguing I'll ramble, jump in. If people don't carry the conversation then I'll force myself to talk small-talk but I enjoy silence with people more.
 
#20 · (Edited)
Difficult one to define. I figure whatever your definition of small-talk though that it doesn't change my response, probably.

I find the "how are you?" "How's work?" stuff benign. All those probing questions that you need to get through before you can have a conversation of vulnerability, genuiness, weirdness.

I mean, the "how are you?" stuff can be important but people often say that just to hear an automated response of "good" or "fine" so really it's just conversational filler. How is work stuff is a similar thing.

I admit I talk about the weather though, I'm English, it's what we do, and it generally is surprisingly disappointing all year round, unlike other countries where the weather is predictable.

I'd rather talk about my passions. So I tend to hold off until something really grabs me.
 
#13 ·
I was under the impression ENFPs can talk for hours and never tire, but after seeing this post on Pinterest, it made me question my previous understanding:

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So could it be true? Do ENFPs loathe small-talk?
ABSOLUTLY - small talk is pointless and meaningless. There’s no connection when you talk about the “weather”.


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#30 ·
Well. You can go TOO deep, right? There's a flurry of talk about quantum poop, and you both weird each other out, but you see them looking at you like "No... oh no... this had nothing to do with me. I wouldn't have done this on my own. You, girl, definitely weirded us both out. " LOL. And then what? They excuse themselves to go get some party food? LOL

So the above is SO MUCH MORE likely to happen to me than to be talking about the weather for any length of time.
I've gotten MUCH better with this over time. After several "weird outs" I definitely have learned some control....

It's even worse if you weird out another ENFP--- just sayin'!

Anyway, there is a certain "pleasantness" area that you want to reach on first aquaintence, and I really appreciated @Tridentus' idea about holding 60% back and they STILL like you. I guess we don't have to give it all away. =)

Anyway, I'd love to see you all at a party. Cute ENFP men at work. I wouldn't be able to keep my eyes off of you all, I'd be so interested in what was going on and if things got weirded out we'd go for a walk outside. =)
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