[wiarumas]

Do all ENTJs dream of world domination?

INTJs are the ones that dream of world domination....

...ENTJs are the ones that make it happen! I kid - but there is some truth in it. I think we do want to acquire as much power/dominance as possible. I think most of us would know our limits.

 

[Mav]

Do all ENTJs dream of world domination?

INTJs are the ones that dream of world domination....

...ENTJs are the ones that make it happen!

I love these videos, they are accurate and amusing. I know that someone linked though to a similar video on another ENTJ thread. I found this to be pertinent for the current thread, especially considering what wiarumas said. Here it is:

 

[Empty]

Applying For: Position of speech-writer for potential/aspiring ENTJ world dictators.

Experience: Writing college-level essays.

Talents: Laziness, introversion, objectivity, apathy, lack of morals, extreme sarcasm...

 

[Arcaeus]

Let me explain, all to often I am the one who is initiating the conversation and contacting people checking up on how they are doing but very few people like maybe 3 people that I know will contact me on their own and I get tired of it because I feel that it is disingenuous on their part to say I'm their friend but not bother to contact me on their own.

Ugh, I hate that. I always want to stay in close contact to the people closest to me, but everyone else seems jaded by that idea. It's aggravating. We do have very childlike, pure emotions, though, so it's near impossible for people to reciprocate them.

Are INTPs prone to social anxiety?

Nope. Well, at least I'm not; I'm reclusive, but not out of fear or anxiety. You have to interest an INTP or they simply don't care about you or what you do. I only bother to truly interact with a few important people in my life. Someone has to prove that they're interesting enough for a conversation. Most people fail because people are fucking boring. I know I'm incredibly boring to any of the more "well-adjusted" types.

I have to say, intellectual conversations with INTPs have been some of the best. Truly. Some are more dickish than others though in how they approach debates. Specifically less developed INTPs. The more mature the better the debates.

True. I've met more than enough on this site to know that not all INTPs are good at debating. Some just can't do it at all, which truly baffled me when I first witnessed it, but now I kind of accept it... begrudgingly.

 

[ChairmanMeow]

Hated how lazy he was and how he didn't care about "things" such as impressions, cleanliness, and ambition. It wasn't in the way he had a solid reason for it either. To me it felt like he was trying to find reasons to rebel. Which to me was annoying. I like being well connected. I like networking. He didn't give a shit about those things yet bitched about being unhappy about his professional life. Bitched about not having many friends. I also disliked how he didn't want to take any credit for his triumphs.

So you were expecting an INTP to play to an ENTJ's strengths instead of his?

Actually, I sense this strand of insecurity/ lack of confidence in INTPs in general, and not sure why. Something with how their functions are arranged?

It's connected with our self-doubting, it can be simultaneously a great strength and a great weakness. Doesn't matter how good a conclusion we seem to have arrived at we would still find some way to doubt ourselves, but then again that's what makes us so good at poking holes in flawed logic.

And yes many of us are prone to social axiety, or at least a great deal of shyness. There's also the inertia, the lack of ambition and all that but as I always say the best qualities of each type are linked with their worst flaws and you can't have one without the other.

One reason ENTJs and INTPs make good partners is that they can complement on each other, for instance, and INTP could show inconsistencies in a plan thought perfect by the ENTJ preventing them from shooting themselves on the foot and an ENTJ can make the projects dreamt up by the INTP become true when the INTP, left alone, would've just let them to rot inside his own head. Now it would be a shame if all that went to hell only because one side wasn't tolerant of the other side simply because they didn't play by his rules.

 

[Miss Scarlet]

Do all ENTJs dream of world domination?

Do you really have to ask?

 

[Empty]

Do you really have to ask?

That is for you to decide.

 

[ellamichaela]

Statistically, more men are "thinkers" and more women are "feelers", so being a woman who is a thinker makes you different from most other women. If someone stereotypes people based on their gender, a woman who is a thinker (or a man who is a feeler) can be a bit disconcerting for them. Anyone who is outside of what they define as their confort zone is perceived as being different, not usually in a postive way. This belief is their own prejudice. I tend to ignore them if they make negative comments about me or others. I write-off their opinions to ignorance. I don't see the point in trying explain why I seem different. They tend to have a preconceived notion of what appropriate behavior is for a woman, and my explanations aren't going to change their minds. The simple way of saying that is: Haters gonna hate.

I've heard people say that women "thinkers" think like men. I've always been amused by that. Like, somehow being a woman who thinks rationally and doesn't think emotionally makes you masculine. I see it more as a girl who can hang with the guys. I think you'll find that most "T" women will tell you that they get along much better with men than they do with other women. But, we're still women, just not the kind of women some people expect us to be.

The T/F thing ... once people get over the initial "you're-not-like-other-women" thing, most men and women tend to be accepting of you. The ones who aren't, aren't.

ENTJs are a not very common personality type and most ENTJs are men, so female ENTJs are pretty rare. ENTJs tend to gravitate toward leadership roles. We're bold and assertive. Again, a trait some people may find offputting in a woman. We can come off as intimidating, but I take exception to calling that "bitchy". If you're going to assign a label to being an assertive woman, I don't mind if you call me bossy. That's my job. I'm bossy because I'm your boss, the fact that I'm a woman is irrelevant. I look at it this way ... I'm your boss, I'm wearing a dress, get over it. If that bothers you, that's your problem. I'm not particularly bothered by what you think.

Loved the whole text, and like that there are women who are comfortable with being bossy, I'm really not trying to be but can't help myself.. ever, if I feel I'm right on a subject, it really doesn't matter who's up against me, be it a friend, a teacher or priest. Although, we differ in the way that I would try to theorize what the most efficient way of living as a woman would be So all my life I've tried to see how I could pull off being a 'soft' woman. But goddamn that gets tiring. Also live more in my head than 'out in the real world', and so I'm happy to see that there are 'thinking' women out there who can take charge and be assertive, I really respect that in all people, but especially in women. Kudos to you

 

[MsBossyPants]

Although, we differ in the way that I would try to theorize what the most efficient way of living as a woman would be So all my life I've tried to see how I could pull off being a 'soft' woman. But goddamn that gets tiring.

Thank you for your reply.

That is where we differ.

I think the most efficient way of living as a woman (or a man) is to just be yourself:
no artifice, no contrivance, no affect

If you are always true to who you really are, there is nothing to "pull off".
Your energy is left to be better spent elsewhere.

 

[Auringonpaiste]

Hi hi I've been reading a lot about different personalities and I have come to find myself quite fascinated by the ENTJ personality type. That being said I have some questions for the ENTJ women (and ENTJ men feel free to chime in to some of these questions as well as some of these will be "genderless" questions) here just to satiate my curiousity being an INTP type

So my questions I think are quite simple. For the ENTJ women, the ENTJ personality type is one known for being quite forceful and it is said that people of this personality type can often overwhelm other personality types with their energy and can be seen as intimidating by others. While I think this is definitely true for men (my grandfather who is this type and actually one of my favorite people that I know is definitely seen as intimidating by the rest of the family, as well as one of my good friends) I'd like to know if ENTJ women are perceived the same way and if so if these traits have had any negative impact on your life as being forceful and seen as intimidating are not "ladylike" traits in western society and often get you labeled as being a "bitch."

For the more generalized question that is genderless, as an INTP I would like to know what ENTJs think about INTPs in general. Do you like them? Do you not like them? What traits about INTPs do you find fascinating and interesting and what traits leave much to be desired to you? And how do ENTJs feel about the other NT personality types as well?

Well...most people say I'm a bitch...but that's probably because I'm a bitch. I can't very well speak for other ENTJs since I only know me, and I'm not even sure that I'm an ENTJ myself.

As for what I think of INTPs -
*all of the INTPs I know have had some sort of epic fascination with biology....but maybe I just hang out with like-minded nerds. But you can't exactly be involved in health professions and not meet people who think the human body is some epic sh!t.
*INTPs, at least the ones I know, seem to have an adventurous streak that coincides with my spontaneity pretty well.
*As far as the perceiving function is concerned, INTPs are the easiest to get along with.

 

[TheBoss]

INTJs are the ones that dream of world domination....

ENTJs are the ones that make it happen!

Quoted for truth.


@ OP, am ENTJ,
Forceful, impatient, speaking my mind, bossy, highly driven, high drive, and definitely intimidating. With a high degree of fairness that is often the reason I speak my mind.
Doesn't make me less a woman. Makes me a better one. If it is considered as 'bitch' for people with small vocabularies, I couldn't care less.

For me a bitch is a - usually - mediocre iq, highly selfish, that has rigidly double standards in judgments. Herself being Holy, all the rest that annoy her even remotely, being wrong and bad (for the exact same traits mind you). Like: "Hey I drink but am so sweet, he/she drinks and is a dangerous drunk".
Example: woman bitched for days about a colleague of hers going to work while being very ill, and how that MIGHT affect her in countless ways. That "what IF" she got sick too (was just a winter flu btw - not ebola...).
Not for a single second did she stop to consider, he had no choice and that nobody would go willingly to work, if so sick. (Here one may lose his job, his promotion, and will certainly cause bosses looking down on him). She showed no compassion and no consideration, nothing. Only her little self mattered.
THIS is a BITCH. ^


As for intp's, I think there are 2 cases of you guys:
- the idiotic ones that think they are smart because they landed as intps, their actual education usually comprises of garbage and their language is more that of ghetto movies, especially when stung. They can not carry a discussion, period.

- and the actually intelligent and/or well educated ones. This is a minority but a very good one. With a quick wit (that can be the sharpest of any type when they are upset) and clever jokes, with compassion and thoughtfulness, not very talkative especially in physical social gatherings. Quite brilliant in some surprising way.

Both cases get on my nerves at times, but I do admire the 2nd ones and get quite attracted by them, either for friendship, or relationship.

 

[ohlizzie]

I enjoy being an ENTJ in that I am bubbly wit and a big dreamer with solid, practical, and measured goals/drives. I hate telling people I'm an ENTJ though, because of the reasons you mentioned. They automatically assume that as an NT and a J, I'm a robotic judgmental bitch. Which, I definitely can be but trust me, I'm judging me a million times more than I'm judging you and if I'm robotic it's just that you're throwing all your emotions in my face before I've the change to categorize/pro-con it all....

ENTJ women do, I think, get the short end of the stick. We're neither emotionally tactile nor charmingly spontaneous. We're extroverted sure, but T extroverts are more likely to be perceived as blunt than as charismatic. We fit in well in a "man's world", often better than around FP girls (see New Girl: Zooey vs. Lizzy), but a lot of us are also staunch (sometimes militant) feminists. We're the Hilaries and the Belvas and we're not often rewarded by society for that.

Personally, I love INTPs! My roommate and I operate on the same logical wavelength and have the same sense of humor (dry), neither of us mind when the other is "mean" (we poke at each other's weaknesses a lot), and intelligent discussions are both zany and stimulating. The one thing that drives me insane though is that she never eeeever makes plans. I have to nag a lot to get her out of the house with me, and she's a fairly well adjusted socially I.

 

[ENTJGirlLA]

I've had to learn to soften myself so that I don't intimidate people. I do it by acting far more touchy-feely and collaborative (vs leading) than what is natural. ENTJs are charismatic strategists - a good one knows how to come across to achieve their objectives because you can't get to your goal without people with you who like and respect you. It's a lot easier to lead with friends than enemies . It's the underdeveloped ones who come across as "bitchy." That being said, I find touchy-feely and useless interactions exhausting and avoid them. And because of Te, I have to actively avoid adopting their touchy-feely ideas. My ENTP friend gave me great advice on how to get along with people better: pause and listen before responding. Simple but magic. Still, whenever I meet someone with whom I can be natural and who can "hit right back," so to speak, I get so happy.

And I don't know any INTPs very well. I think well-developed ISTPs are fantastic so it makes sense that I would like an INTP even better because we can share the N more easily. I also get along wonderfully for ENTPs. I do sometimes get sick of talking about theories that lead nowhere with ENTPs so I could see that amplified with INTPs. Even when I'm theorizing in a seemingly directionless way I'm building a framework. I would also appreciate their independence and strength.As far as why I haven't met any, this is probably because of where we hang out. If the stereotypes are true, INTPs will often choose activities because they are unconventional and likes nerdy things like science fiction. I am in business, don't care about things because they are conventional or unconventional and the "charismatic leader" thing leads us away from "nerdy" pursuits to competitive/social hobbies - ie sports, music, bars. But who knows, this is all theory.

INTJ: Know two well. Get along with both well. Less developed one needs to get out of his head more often.
ENTJ: Know three - one female and two males. The guys, probably underdeveloped, were too bossy making me resistant to what they would ask me to do and the girl is a close friend and all around great girl. Sometimes people see her as too chatty or bossy but I get it - and usually don't like the people who don't like her.
ENTP: Love these people. Partners in crime.

 

[Myagooshki]

I am actually not sure if I can think of any ENTJ men off the top of my head. Maybe one of my old professors, but I think he was an F, not a T. As far as women go I think that I can name two off the top of my head. They both definitely had different enneagrams, and one was by far quieter than the other, but I still think that the quieter one was extraverted. The one ENTJ I'm thinking of is to be known as "mummy" and the other "camera".

Mummy: She's a fiscally conservative feminist with a very strong attitude. She's not necessarily mean, and I've had some pleasant conversations with her, but if you say something that's a bit too politically incorrect she'll flip a turd. I have my political beliefs and if other people are saying things contrary to them I'll feel uncomfortable and perhaps state my own opinion on the matter, but if the view is starkly different from mine and intensity ensues I'll eventually dig down to try and reveal both of our root morals as to why we believe these things. It'll then turn into a debate of morals and semantics. Mummy does not do that, she'll spit facts out at you until you have nothing else to say, even if it means that she'll be pulling things out of her ass and talking about them in a way that makes it seem like it's totally true. I've debated her (the ENTJ) and I've debated an ESTJ woman about the same topic (universal healthcare). Even though the ESTJ is technically the opposite of me, I almost enjoyed debated the ESTJ more than the ENTJ because the ESTJ would go "uh, whatever" or "I don't know anything about that so you may have a point". The ENTJ on the other hand, she will never cave.

Camera: She's pretty obsessed with photography and does lots of photography things. She's taken pictures of famous people and attended many different prestigious events, I think she's well on her way to becoming a professional photographer. She's quite a friendly person and I've mooched food off of her in the past many times back when we lived in the same dorm. She's also told me about her sex life, interestingly enough. But, she's very stringent with the "work hard, play hard" attitude towards what she does and many times has made me feel less adequate at anything that I'm doing. She didn't do this on purpose, but I just compare myself to her sometimes in terms of how much I don't have my shit together and how much she does. She thinks she knows a lot in terms of how difficult it is to do what she's doing, which I think is a kind of snobby thing to do. It bothers me a bit. And also she took several headshots of me to use in theatrical productions that I paid her five dollars for, all of which she lost on a computer that wasn't hers. Grrrr.

I can think of two INTJs off the top of my head. One, "Acorn" is enneagram 1. Acorn a great person to hang out with, he can take any existing concept and mold it into a hilarious analysis. He's also really good at helping you organize your priorities and figure things out. The other INTJ, "Saddle", makes similar analyses, but they're not as funny. He's very prim in the way that he acts and very serious about everything. What is funny though, is that Acorn is a social anarchist and Saddle is a real staunch crony capitalist conservative. It just goes to show how varied INTJs can be.

I know a ton of INTPs. I see that a lot of people on this thread don't know a single one and I find this surprising. I can think of at least 15. INTPs are also very varied, although I think they have a tendency to word things in a way that are very confusing to me at first. I think this is because they're similar to me except everything is internalized in a logical scientific way instead of an emotional way. Most INTPs I've interacted with have a 50/50 chance of connecting really well with me or just saying something really really confusing. I'm not 100% sure why that is but it seems to be a trend.

Edit: Fun fact in regards to ENTJ women. Hermione Granger from the Harry Potter series is often labeled as one. So if you're looking for an example, there you go.

 

[Dani6757]

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[Dani6757]

Oops, posted in wrong thread. Sorry, Ladies!

 

[Dani6757]

Sorry for the edits, gang.....I assumed that when I clicked, "Reply" under CHIPPS' post above that it would insert just below hers. (Newb!)

Any way: @ CHIPPS----

You & I should have a phone conversation one of these evenings. I read your points 1., and 2. above.

And almost jumped with joy! I was like: "Really, there's actually another woman who prefers having male friends (they're much more rationale that most women); who ISN'T passive-aggressive; and is, totally okay with being alone?" I, too have no need for emotional feedback on a constant basis....because I'm such a pragmatist: ("Just the facts, don't want to hear your entire emotional story..., but more importantly, I don't feel the need to tell you mine!)

And, nobody CAN block me when I'm on a mission (usually something 'Justice' related) either. Talk about being a "Steam-Roller"! We're not out to hurt a soul, we're visionary strategists; and don't want to be influenced by manipulative, emotional, people. Just 'get 'er done', and have contingency plans all ready in place. Must think about ALL possible possible outcomes/offenses/defenses, with a strategy already thought out/prepared.

But, don't you just hate it when others tell you that you are "extraordinary", "incredible", "amazing", "gut wrenchingly honest", "refreshing", "REAL", "rare", etc.

This is who I am innately, and just haven't figured out how to understand why everybody else WOULDN'T be straight-up honest! haha

My name is Danielle...but everyone just calls me "Dani".

Please PM me if you'd be open to private conversations. Until I write 15 posts, I'm unable to do so. But, (naturally) too much going on in my life to be posting/blogging, right now. I've found myself having to take on the role of "Norma Rae" over the next few month, so I'm pretty focused. Yet, I've been given that 'breath-of-fresh-air' I needed in reading your post, because I'm running into those same kind of road-blocks: "Dani's a Bi**H"; "Who does she THINK she is to talk this way to a Gov't official!"

Yet, I am definitely, calm, professional, and know the pertinent legal statutes more than those Gov't officials....so, I'm just confident that I know what the the heck it is I'm saying ('cuz, naturally, I've done hundred of hours of research).

But, nobody (except, me) likes to admit that they may be wrong, and haven't done in-depth research. I can totally "hear that" from someone I respect, because ALL of life is about learning! Heck, if I'm wrong, just tell me, and show me the research I might have missed. No biggee! Beers all around afterwards!

But, Would love to hear from you.

All the Best,
~Dani

 

[TwitchdelaBRAT]

I find ENTJ women alluring and enticing.
But they seem to enter my company and then leave.
Maybe my Fe is repulsive to you ladies, but I quite like you.
I think I may have found a young ENTJ lady, and she's interesting.
But, anyway, I think it'd be fun to find you ladies more often. Even the INTJ's are most enjoyable.
Maybe it's just my 5 making me crave the T interaction...
Anyway, just my 2 cents and some slight inquiries.
Would you ladies please expound on your interactions with an INFJ male, if you have any?

Twitch

 

[stiletto]

I find ENTJ women alluring and enticing.
But they seem to enter my company and then leave.
Maybe my Fe is repulsive to you ladies, but I quite like you.
I think I may have found a young ENTJ lady, and she's interesting.
But, anyway, I think it'd be fun to find you ladies more often. Even the INTJ's are most enjoyable.
Maybe it's just my 5 making me crave the T interaction...
Anyway, just my 2 cents and some slight inquiries.
Would you ladies please expound on your interactions with an INFJ male, if you have any?

Twitch

Hate to break it to you, they probably left because FJs are infuriating. :laughing:

 

[Elistra]

If people try to put me under the same cultural protocols they do women, I am nowhere near passive, indecisive, submissive, suggestible, etc. enough to really fit. My sense of humor is bawdy, and my language is occasionally ripe, adding to the mismatch. Too forceful, too intellectual, too prone to calling people on their shit rather than enabling them, can't flirt worth a damn, etc.

If people try to put me under the same cultural protocols they do men, things get weird in their eyes when I get protective of cats or "lils", when I take exception to constant pointless insultery being an acceptable form of communication, if I go on about liking shiny things, etc.

It's connected with our self-doubting, it can be simultaneously a great strength and a great weakness. Doesn't matter how good a conclusion we seem to have arrived at we would still find some way to doubt ourselves, but then again that's what makes us so good at poking holes in flawed logic.

And yes many of us are prone to social anxiety, or at least a great deal of shyness. There's also the inertia, the lack of ambition and all that but as I always say the best qualities of each type are linked with their worst flaws and you can't have one without the other.

Top notch logical parsing, but they do occasionally need "kick started" yes.

One reason ENTJs and INTPs make good partners is that they can complement on each other, for instance, and INTP could show inconsistencies in a plan thought perfect by the ENTJ preventing them from shooting themselves on the foot and an ENTJ can make the projects dreamt up by the INTP become true when the INTP, left alone, would've just let them to rot inside his own head. Now it would be a shame if all that went to hell only because one side wasn't tolerant of the other side simply because they didn't play by his rules.

Highly complimentary in some ways, but the emotional end takes work due to the Fe/Fi differences, and the fact that both types tend to be shit at expressing F in general (4th in the function stack for both). Love or not, past a certain point of Fi feeling stepped on, Te comes to collect your fucking head.

... just like this fucker here. :wink:

And past a certain point of his Fe feeling stepped on or ignored, the INTP will get loud, irrational, and shouty, and then will sulk for an indeterminate period of time.

^^ Kind of like this. :tongue: