[Helweh18]

Well, there are a TON of posts about this specific topic, but since I love add to things that have already been discussed I will answer your question.

1. ENTJ being perceived as unladylike?

Absolutely. Though, I think that this is highly subjective. Some men and women don't always encounter women who are more rational than emotional, assertive rather than passive or passive aggressive, so when people encounter someone who strikes them as an enigma or sorts I think they react negatively to it.

I will say, as an ENTJ, I get along better with men than women, but I am not a man. I am a woman. I wish I had the female friends that other girls have. I couldnt really good friends with SFPs or SFJs. Id prefer to be around NF and NT women both of which are hard to come by so Im more often by myself. With that being said I think it strikes both men and women as odd. Especially women. Women naturally herd, so when you're someone who doesn't mind being alone its viewed negatively by other women. I dont play their little emotional/guilty tripping, agree-with-me-blindly games. Id rather be alone. So that too causes me to stand out in a negative way.

2. Were perceived as bitches?

I really dislike this term, but to play on what I said before its really subjective. Some women are bitches, some women are assertive most people dont know where to draw the like. Though assertive can be confused with aggression. There is a fine line between the two. I think it comes down to situation. When Im getting something done no one is to stand in my way without good reason. A lot of people dont get that. Most people put themselves before the task at hand while I do the opposite. I will steam roll you if you get in my way. If youre blocking me it had better be with damn good reason or you're messing with the bull and Ill give you the horn. If thats a bitch than so be it.

I see "bitch" as someone who tears other people down only to build themselves up. They lack low self esteem and can only gain confidence by feeling "superior" to other people. Its annoying to me. Women who roll in packs are usually where bitches lie. Im a loner by nature so I really have no need to be a bitch nor do I get anything out of being bitchy. Complaining and shitting on other people is just a waste of time to me. If I dont like you or something that you're doing Im just going to stop dealing with you and move on. A bitch would stick around and lament about how much she disliked you so that you knew it. I think bitchiness is more emotional. It doesnt benefit me so why do it.

3. What do I think of INTPs?

I dont know for sure that Ive ever met any in life. But from what Ive gathered about them, I think we could get along well if both parties were open to it. I could see INTPs being jealous of ENTJs. While INTPs are more introspective than ENTJs, ENTJs get shit taken care of. I was reading a forum once and this INTP said he hated how ENTJs acted like they knew everything. He said he resented how ENTJs took charge when no one else would. What struck me as odd is how he said that he could "in theory" run a team. I think a lot of what INTPs is based in theory. Like I said, I dont know any that I know of so this is what Im gathering from what Ive heard.

So the big thing that could cause tension between ENTJs and INTPs is refusing to accept the others strengths. ENTJs are good at getting shit done, closing deals, rubbing elbows with people, making decisions etc. INTPs go more indepth and are more thorough and can probably produce more ideas than ENTJs but they wont get the done. This is why the ENTJ/INTP combination works so well. I think that INTPs can become resentful of ENTJs because we arent as introspective or thorough but our strengths are rewarded by the culture we live in. This also seems to be something ENTPs complain about. Apparently ENTJs come in and make things more efficient and will strip the "unique" aspect off but at the end of the day, it doesnt matter. ENTJ behavior is rewarded and people seek it out.

My opinion on ENTPs: I think Ive met a few, and I might work with one. They're okay but there is an obvious difference. They're really smart but I dont take them that seriously. Its not their sense of humor or anything, but I think they have a knack for liking to make other people uncomfortable. They find strength in it and its kind of annoying. They have this outspoken, know it all, Im gonna make you uncomfortable aura and I hate it. They always want to get the upper hand with people. I think it works with most people but they can't do it with me. The guy that I work with just LOVES to talk about sex. He also LOVES to look down on other people for not being "open" to it. Its like he doesnt realize that most people are just private about it. Hes told me he likes to see how far he can push people. I listen, respond, laugh, but I never give him anything else. He can talk about whatever he wants but I know he cant read me. And I think that bothers me to some degree. I own the impassive face.

My thoughts on INTJs: Dont think Ive met any actually. But theyre rare so...


p.s. I think I have met and INTP. from what I gathered from him, He was very focused of a hand full of topics. He liked running, religion and politics/philosophy. That was it. He knew all of those things really well, but that was it. Once we changed the subject to something like tattoos he had nothing to say. I think it bothered him because he kept trying to join the conversation but he knew nothing of substance to add. An INTP would read 30 books on 3 subjects and become highly informed while and ENTJ would read 30 books on 10 subjects and know a little bit about a lot of things. ENTJs are really good at padding shit and making it look like we know a lot more than we actually do. Thats another reason ENTJ are pretty solid. Bullshit truly is an art form.

Okay, Im done now.

I was going to write a response to this question but I completely agree with everything you said here. This pretty much sums up exactly what it is like to be an ENTJ female.

 

[Redflowers]

In response to what it is

Hi hi I've been reading a lot about different personalities and I have come to find myself quite fascinated by the ENTJ personality type. That being said I have some questions for the ENTJ women (and ENTJ men feel free to chime in to some of these questions as well as some of these will be "genderless" questions) here just to satiate my curiousity being an INTP type

So my questions I think are quite simple. For the ENTJ women, the ENTJ personality type is one known for being quite forceful and it is said that people of this personality type can often overwhelm other personality types with their energy and can be seen as intimidating by others. While I think this is definitely true for men (my grandfather who is this type and actually one of my favorite people that I know is definitely seen as intimidating by the rest of the family, as well as one of my good friends) I'd like to know if ENTJ women are perceived the same way and if so if these traits have had any negative impact on your life as being forceful and seen as intimidating are not "ladylike" traits in western society and often get you labeled as being a "bitch."

For the more generalized question that is genderless, as an INTP I would like to know what ENTJs think about INTPs in general. Do you like them? Do you not like them? What traits about INTPs do you find fascinating and interesting and what traits leave much to be desired to you? And how do ENTJs feel about the other NT personality types as well?

I am an ENTJ female and as I read some of the responses, I can relate. As an ENTJ female I do feel that other women and men are intimated by my personality. The assertive and bold part of my personality tends to make other people doubt themselves, and thus feel intimidated. I wouldn't consider myself a "bitch", but I definitely take care of business in the nicest way possible. Sometimes, however, the nicest way of handling things still comes out as an unpleasant thing for the receiver to hear. Speaking the truth at times may seem like a "bitchy" thing to do, but when the truth/direction on a matter needs to be addressed, I'm going to address it. This is part of taking leadership and making things happen of which the ENTJ is famous of. I think other personality types needs to realize that ENTJ females are not "bitchy" but rather make things happen. I really important issue I wish other personality types would realize is often declarative statements made by us (us as in ENTJ types) are not absolute. Rather, they are considered truth in our minds until proven otherwise but credible evidence. It is very frustrating to me to be considered "narrow minded" when if fact I am not. I am open to ideas/suggestions to modifications of my ideas/plans as long as you provide enough reasoning/information why my idea is incorrect/needs to be modified. In all reality, I like it when people challenge my ideas. I want to be challenged. Challenge brings perspective and I respect the other person a lot more if they stand up to me (respectfully of course) and bring more information/angle to the table.

As for being "lady-like", I feel like I do portray "lady-like" qualities but this is something that I have had to specifically work on. By nature I've always said things how I see them and tend to be critical when analyzing a situation. Analysis is not always welcome and being critical is usually linked with negativity which is not very "lady-like". Also, pointing out flaws/problems does not fit the idea role of being a lady in addition to telling people what should be done to fix that flaw/problem.

In regard to INTP, I do not know any. Although on paper, I would think for general companionship they should get along. In my experience, the NT part is important for naturally getting along with an ENTJ, although the deep introspection and lack of structure/action could become frustrating.

 

[Redflowers]

Dani,

As an ENTJ I can relate to a few things you mention. As far as friends go, through the years I have also preferred to have males as friends. I have a variety of friends (male and female) but I find that my "good" female friends are far a few between. My best friend is actually an INTJ and we get along like peanut butter and Jelly. I am not sure if other ENTJ females feel this way, but I have found that I tend to have 1-3 really good friends where I prefer to spend most of my time with. Although I have many friends, I tend to spend most of my efforts time with my good pals who I get mesh the best with.

In regard to emotion, I find that I am out of touch with my emotions and they tend to be non existent for most of life. Then, at times they come out totally unexpected catching me off guard. Does this also happen for other ENTJ females?

 

[VinnieBob]

Do all ENTJs dream of world domination?

INTJ's dream of world domination

 

[ti8er]

Hi hi I've been reading a lot about different personalities and I have come to find myself quite fascinated by the ENTJ personality type. That being said I have some questions for the ENTJ women (and ENTJ men feel free to chime in to some of these questions as well as some of these will be "genderless" questions) here just to satiate my curiousity being an INTP type

So my questions I think are quite simple. For the ENTJ women, the ENTJ personality type is one known for being quite forceful and it is said that people of this personality type can often overwhelm other personality types with their energy and can be seen as intimidating by others. While I think this is definitely true for men (my grandfather who is this type and actually one of my favorite people that I know is definitely seen as intimidating by the rest of the family, as well as one of my good friends) I'd like to know if ENTJ women are perceived the same way and if so if these traits have had any negative impact on your life as being forceful and seen as intimidating are not "ladylike" traits in western society and often get you labeled as being a "bitch."

For the more generalized question that is genderless, as an INTP I would like to know what ENTJs think about INTPs in general. Do you like them? Do you not like them? What traits about INTPs do you find fascinating and interesting and what traits leave much to be desired to you? And how do ENTJs feel about the other NT personality types as well?

I am a female ENTJ but after years of trying to become more "acceptable" I've now seemingly morphed into an "INTJ". i.e. I dont really say much to people anymore and stay quiet most of the time unless its absolutely necessary (like at work or something) because having ENTJ characteristics as a female is undesirable and people become intimidated especially if you're a female. ENTJ males probably get away with so much more. In order for the ENTJ female to survive, she needs to learn how to stay silent and not reveal too much.

In addition, society tries to pound the ENTJ-ness out of you at an early age (if you're a girl). From teachers and parents etc. You grow up feeling like there is something intrinsically wrong with you for being that way. If you are an E it's worse because there's a higher chance for you to expose how "different" you are.

Someone said that being an ENTJ female means you have more male friends than female friends...i disagree. You have male "colleagues" not friends. especially if you're in a male dominated industry.

in terms of conversations, men are more interesting to talk to but usually it doesn't lead to "friendship" and stays at the acquaintance or professional level.

To be blunt, males are usually only "friends" with females if they have some hope that they can hook up with them (something most females are in denial of). But if you're a genuine ENTJ female, its likely that a majority of males think you're 1. not interested 2. too busy... it's highly unlikely that they will continue to waste their time being "friends" with a girl without a possibility of getting anything in return. It sounds cynical but that's been my observation. However, they might invest time in an being friends with an ENTJ girl if they're trying to further their career or it's related to something professional.

I guess I've had male friends in the professional context, but this was because most of them were already married etc and there were no expectations. In addition, most interesting interactions are with other T types.

I think woman are really boring to talk to. They tend to talk about people and relationships a lot and it's really uninteresting. However, sometimes i wonder if many of these women are faking it. That there are alot of women who want to talk about other topics but have also been compelled to stay quiet due to social pressure

The other types (both male/female) seem to engage in a lot of fake small talk or jokes that are not funny. In such cases i just pretend to be interested in what's going on. It actually feels like a waste of time though.

 

[ENTJudgement]

Hi hi I've been reading a lot about different personalities and I have come to find myself quite fascinated by the ENTJ personality type. That being said I have some questions for the ENTJ women (and ENTJ men feel free to chime in to some of these questions as well as some of these will be "genderless" questions) here just to satiate my curiousity being an INTP type

So my questions I think are quite simple. For the ENTJ women, the ENTJ personality type is one known for being quite forceful and it is said that people of this personality type can often overwhelm other personality types with their energy and can be seen as intimidating by others. While I think this is definitely true for men (my grandfather who is this type and actually one of my favorite people that I know is definitely seen as intimidating by the rest of the family, as well as one of my good friends) I'd like to know if ENTJ women are perceived the same way and if so if these traits have had any negative impact on your life as being forceful and seen as intimidating are not "ladylike" traits in western society and often get you labeled as being a "bitch."

For the more generalized question that is genderless, as an INTP I would like to know what ENTJs think about INTPs in general. Do you like them? Do you not like them? What traits about INTPs do you find fascinating and interesting and what traits leave much to be desired to you? And how do ENTJs feel about the other NT personality types as well?

Everyone knows that ENTJ women are simply normal men in disguise.

 

[Nihil_Humani]

Everyone knows that ENTJ women are simply normal men in disguise.

That's so heteronormative it makes my brain hurt.

 

[Elistra]

If more men understood the difference between being loved and being needed, they wouldn't fault the female ENTJ for not being whiny, passive, ineffectual, etc.

Then again, it seems to me that even among those men who do understand the difference, many men actively prefer being needed to being loved. After all, if she needs him more than he needs her, it keeps him in a position of comparative power in the relationship.

Love gives no such guarantee.

 

[stiletto]

Me. This morning.

 

[high_heels]

Let me add something about being an ENTJ female...

It kinda sucks! It's liberating! It's a gift, yet in quiet moments it becomes a curse!

I understand the label, my world revolves around a male dominated industry where I (being an ENTJ) is perceived who is someone strong, opinionated, independent, blends well with the boys, and cuts mens balls off.

Yet, despite the obvious masculinity in our personality, we are also a woman. We discreetly want to be feminine with a man, wants to be acknowledge for being a woman and certainly wants our own selves to simply be NOT STEREOTYPED.

We have our unique strengths that makes us spark in a crowd, indispensable, and liked by male peers (either they like to kill us or they simply like us).

So if ever you find yourself with an ENTJ woman whether in an office environment, a promising relationship, or as a friend then appeal to her fragile nature (she doesn’t show it upfront), but if you genuinely get to know her then she will be the most dependent friend, the most cultivating co-worker, the most accommodating person, the no-bullshit-person who you can ask about things, and she will be a keeper.

When that time comes you meet that ENTJ woman, instead of looking at the other side… look at her side further…you’ll be amazed how wonderful they are as a person.

 

[brockoli]

I'm an ENTJ female, and I'm married to an INTP guy. Sometimes he frustrates me, because he is so SLOW. He won't commit to anything until he feels it's fully figured out, and sometimes I just want to act and start solving a problem! However, I really value the fact that when I'm having crazy times and trying to do a million things at once, he has the patience and intelligence to help me get things done and vent my frustrations constructively. He's really good at waiting for me to open up and then taking it into account. From me, I think he likes that I'm good at having ideas and getting stuff done, that I'm low on inhibitions (for someone prone to overthinking, this is a big relief for him), but I think my convoluted internal logic does baffle him sometimes!

 

[a2jc4life]

ENTJ woman here. YES, there is a negative perception. I don't think I've ever been called "bitchy," but that probably has more to do with the circles I run in than anything else. (Most of the people around me just don't use that term.) But I find a complete lack of appreciation for anything inherent to my type. All ENTJ traits are attributed a negative quality, whether they're the negative versions or the beneficial versions. If I'm argumentative, I'm (rightly) called argumentative. If I'm persistent, I'm called argumentative. If I'm bossy I'm "bossy." If I'm bold, I'm "bossy."

As an overall thing, that doesn't bother me. I am what I am, I do what needs to be done, and whatever happens as a result, happens. But I do get weary of it after a while. I get tired of being hated just for being me. I get tired of always having to give, with no "take" in return. Those around me can frustrate me sometimes, sure - we all run into that when dealing with people who are different. But I also appreciate the things they contribute that I don't have to offer. I feel like we aren't often given that same courtesy.

And I am personally attacked on a regular basis. People seem to think that ENTJ's have no feelings, so they can walk all over us, be rude, attack our character, attribute evil intent, etc. and it's no big deal. If we did the same thing to others, we'd be raked over the coals for it, but people seem to think it's just okay when dealing with us thicker-skinned types. But ENTJ's actually feel very deeply - we just don't express those feelings very readily.

I really important issue I wish other personality types would realize is often declarative statements made by us (us as in ENTJ types) are not absolute. Rather, they are considered truth in our minds until proven otherwise but credible evidence. It is very frustrating to me to be considered "narrow minded" when if fact I am not. I am open to ideas/suggestions to modifications of my ideas/plans as long as you provide enough reasoning/information why my idea is incorrect/needs to be modified.

Yes!! I may come across as stubbornly set in my ways, but I'm one of the most open-minded people I know. A lot of other types are too afraid to even enter into discussion on a topic, so they just dig in and immerse themselves in whatever they already believe and won't even expose themselves to an alternative viewpoint. I may go in guns a-blazin', but if you present a solid enough argument, I will change my mind.

I have, in fact, been baffled by friends who have questioned the wisdom of putting "hot topics" on Facebook because "nobody changes their minds based on those discussions anyway." But I have. As strongly as I believe what I believe - and absolutely will not just back down - I have been known on multiple occasions to change my mind based on a discussion like this on Facebook. (And even to go back and post a new status update correcting an earlier statement I'd made, in case anyone privy to the initial conversation had missed the discussion where I changed my mind.)

I don't know the MBTI types of the other people in my life. (I'm more familiar with the 4-type system, overall.) But the things that frustrate me most about those who are opposite of me are when they express offense at my being me (for instance, not allowing me to have a passionate, non-argument discussion with someone else in the same house - yes that has actually happened to me), when they refuse to hear me out (I've had a family member all upset at what she thought I was saying, but really she misunderstood what I was trying to say and refused to hear me clarify), or when introverts get ticked that we ask them things like "what are you thinking," "are you okay," or the like. The nature of introvertedness is that whatever you're thinking is inside your head. That means I don't know what it is, 'cause I'm not a mind-reader. So as long as I am willing to ask and then drop it if there isn't any action I need to take on the answer, just understand that I'm trying to understand you and give you what you need, not to tick you off.

 

[anna_264]

"Bullshit truly is an art form." - Yep, totally agree. I sell bullshit every day, and it gives me what I want.

 

[anna_264]

"Bullshit truly is an art form." - Yep, totally agree. I sell bullshit every day, and it gives me what I want.

 

[incision]

I'd like to know if ENTJ women are perceived the same way and if so if these traits have had any negative impact on your life as being forceful and seen as intimidating are not "ladylike" traits in western society and often get you labeled as being a "bitch."

Negative impact? Depends on your definition of negative. If I want something bad enough, I'll go get it. If it earns me the title of 'bitch' enroute, this is largely irrelevant.

Do you like them?

Yes, as a generality I like them.

Do you not like them?

Only the ones who irrationally hate ENTJs. Oddly enough, even some of these have made an exception for me. Not sure why except possibly because they know I like their type.

What traits about INTPs do you find fascinating and interesting and what traits leave much to be desired to you?

The manner in which they handle information, especially their ability to handle conflicting information. NTJs laser target probabilities. NTPs splay possibilities. My head would explode if I had to splay possibilities on a continual basis.

Wish they would have more confidence in themselves. Some don the mask of cockiness but underneath it all, they undervalue themselves, whether socially or professionally.

And how do ENTJs feel about the other NT personality types as well?

Some of my favourite people are ENTPs. Some of the most despised individuals are ENTPs. Dynamics lean boom/bust.

I'm hardest on INTJs because they smell so familiar, if only they could find a way to be less risk averse. They've got it all going where all it takes is to understand that it's okay to make mistakes, they'll survive and learn from them.

 

[TwitchdelaBRAT]

Negative impact? Depends on your definition of negative. If I want something bad enough, I'll go get it. If it earns me the title of 'bitch' enroute, this is largely irrelevant.


Yes, as a generality I like them.


Only the ones who irrationally hate ENTJs. Oddly enough, even some of these have made an exception for me. Not sure why except possibly because they know I like their type.


The manner in which they handle information, especially their ability to handle conflicting information. NTJs laser target probabilities. NTPs splay possibilities. My head would explode if I had to splay possibilities on a continual basis.

Wish they would have more confidence in themselves. Some don the mask of cockiness but underneath it all, they undervalue themselves, whether socially or professionally.


Some of my favourite people are ENTPs. Some of the most despised individuals are ENTPs. Dynamics lean boom/bust.

I'm hardest on INTJs because they smell so familiar, if only they could find a way to be less risk averse. They've got it all going where all it takes is to understand that it's okay to make mistakes, they'll survive and learn from them.

Can you give your reaction to NF's?

Twitch

 

[incision]

Can you give your reaction to NF's?

Twitch

Wrong thread. Start your own.

 

[OberonHuxley]

Do all ENTJs dream of world domination?

Can't speak for the women but as a male entj no. I just want to find peace and freedom.

 

[TwitchdelaBRAT]

Wrong thread. Start your own.

How is this the wrong thread?
Is it not for inquiring of ENTJ women and their preferences and experiences with other types/people?

Twitch

 

[Tatyana]

Hello ENTJ female here. So, I'd like to answer to all of your 3 questions:
1) It actually depend on the other if he'll call me a bitch or a powerful woman who knows what she wants and how to get it. People who tend to like me see me as confident, determinant and driven and people who don't like see me as bitch, aloof, cold and without feelings. I've had some troubles in my life as it is not common for a woman to be a leader, mostly because some men tend to be scared.
2) My father is an INTP. We have our conflicts but we can share a common ground. First of all, INTP wants to know the reason before acting, the why of the things. I don't care about the why of the things, I care about how we can make things done. One simple example: my INTP father always told me "why don't you like solving mathematical problems?" My answer was "I don't actually see any problem, problems are for real life, you just troubling yourself. I am quicker than you to come up with ideas and solve problems in real life, where I can see results. By solving a mathematical problem I don't see any result in real life, no impact. So what's the point? INTP likes logic, likes problems, likes solving them. I like solving problems when they have an impact in real life. Otherwise, I don't care about it. However, INTP are also thinkers and that's the common ground I wrote before. We can talk by thinking first and not by feeling first (cause we're not feelers) and so we can understand each other easily.
3) ENTP can be frustrating sometimes cause they're fun but seriously I cannot handle all this unorganized people! INTJ are very much alike me, so I can understand them very easily.

Overall, we do share common thoughts with NT and that is good. However, for ENTJ a person without Te and Ni can seem to us as unorganized, without a specific plan, slow in taking action, but seriously not boring!