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ENTP Insecurity

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#1 · (Edited)
i was reading this and it said ENTPs are less sensitive to criticism. the article is comparing ENTP and ENFP, but i read there and somewhere that ENTPs are only sensitive to criticism when it comes from someone we care about.

On the other hand, I find the opposite in other places. like: https://www.reddit.com/r/mbti/comments/761ndr/serious_question_why_are_entps_so_insecure_entps/
is this only my observation?
i observe that intps in general are stupidly aware of how we are. we dive into things clumsily anyway
entps though, when criticized, need to present the whole “I know it seems like im being offended but really im being objective and your criticism of me is totally unfair” thing
I like the way the poster worded it. I wouldn't say I am generally insecure or sensitive... but there are certain topics or situations that I get defensive about. like when a manager pulls me aside to try and claim that my job performance is subpar. and in my head, I am thinking why should i care, this just is stupid. I feel the need to immediately defend myself. (and really my pride), I think my defense is pretty solid. I'm not grasping at straws as to why my performance isn't what they expect. my performance is fine they just don't realize all that I do.

Or the other day when I went to the backroom to pull some inventory, and lead back there stops me and starts asking me in what I think was a very confrontational way whether I had been trained because I am making lots of mistakes. and I'm like what mistakes? (truth is I hadn't been really trained, just told to go do it. but the way he asked me it was not like trying to train me and correct my mistakes. it was an attack. the tone he used made the question more rhetorical than literal and me think he was just asking in order to emphasize that I am inept and coming to his stockroom and creating a mess.

It didn't help that when I asked him what mistakes I have made, he replied "we'll see..." I'm like you don't know? you don't even know if I am making mistakes? you're just looking at me and saying I think you are making mistakes and I'm going to watch you till I catch you make one... it was ridiculous. I told him I don't have time for this, and walked away. in the presence of another manager, his attitude changed. he explained that what he meant was i'm on record in the system having made mistakes and we will look at that record.

then there is my enfp friend who has to point out all of my social blunders after every social interaction and convince me that i am completely oblivious. at first it was like ok. but after a couple years, im just tired of it. so this last time I didn't argue with it, I owned it. I said that's who I am. and it probably won't go away till my hair turns grey.

Anyway.

I would say in general, i don't mind being coached or criticized when it is about something I know I am weak at or it is done respectfully. But my current minimum wage job, i'll admit it hurts my pride when i have to listen to someone criticize my performance, whether it is warranted or not. if it is warranted, then shame on me. it's not a difficult job at all. and if it is unwarranted, same thing still. i'm still having to listen to someone express their belief that i am inept at such an easy job and for some reason i question in the back of my head, i can't allow that.i can't allow someone I don't respect think i am inept.
on the other hand, jobs that are not easy and so forth, I am fine with criticism. i was ok with it when I tried selling cars for example. and I'm fine with it during my training to be an educator.
but at my current job which I consider myself overqualified for, when they try to criticize my performance, i easily express that “I know it seems like im being offended but really im being objective and your criticism of me is totally unfair”

texcept for the other day when I finally allowed that voice in the back of my head that tells me "who cares?" to take control and told the guy he was wasting my time with his accusations. only problem there is that I should have had an Fe attitude adjustment to my reaction. not have been so blatantly disrespectful or antagonistic or whatever in my reaction to his attack.

of course with all the stress i'm under trying to get a job that matches my skillset and pays my bills so i can finally stop living in such terrible conditions... i wouldn't be surprised if i'm under a shadow. i've been living with such stress for so long, who knows anymore.

it's like a study i read about sleep deficits where losing 6 hours of sleep can not be made up just by sleeping an extra 6 hours the next night. you have to to get good sleep a few nights in a row to make up for the deficit. chronic sleep deficits affect your mental performance and so forth in a way that after a while it becomes your normal mode and you don't even realize you running sub-optimally anymore.
Perhaps I've been in living in such stressful poor conditions for so long... im in my shadow and can't even realize it anymore. i've adjusted to my shadow...

or maybe my behavior is normal for entps

edit: on another site, someone said criticism on my person = bad criticism of anything else is golden.
that sounds about right. if i feel the criticism is personal, i'm going to be defensive. and truth be told, the manager who worked his/her way up at the retail store is not being personal in criticizing performance. that's their career. but the job is beneath me, and so criticism of my performance at it is going to be personal automatically.
 
#2 ·
ENTPs debate and criticise others in an inpersonal manner, since we are driven to be logical and/or objective. That doesn’t mean we are thick skinned, if anything we are the opposite because on some level we are striving for perfection, and thus we can take things very personally. However if we are in debate mode, we tend to ignore insults and focus on the question at hand. Its the blindsides we don’t handle.
 
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#3 ·
Oh if I care about someone I can be offended by the stupidest little shit. I try not to be. If I really truly trust that person it's not as bad. My husband pointed out to me today that it's a little comical observing because if I don't care about someone, I give no fucks and won't consider their existence to a point that's a bit strange. If I do actually give a fuck about someone though I sometimes get all insecure about dumb stupid fuck that I don't logically care about. I trust him so it doesn't happen as much with him. Thank God. I don't like it. Other people probably don't.


Edit: I do agree that you can critique a decision or whatever and I'm okay with that. When it's personal though I can't deal.
I'd like my shell back now. :p
 
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manager wrote me up today for the incident the other day, and I'm just like. meh. I don't care. just show me where to sign so I can get back to work.
I didn't say it like that. but that's what I was thinking. just let me sign the things so we can all move on with our lives.
 
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If they care about one, the HSP will be on. They are on off people. Either you're in, or you're out. And that is like having 2 different persons in one body. Its heavy when you're in, and others are out, the mood will change in half a second from normal to hyper aggressive. Hilarious. But the fuck for do those others try to join in uninvited. Their fault.
 
#11 ·
I'm not sure. That sounds more like a disorder. It's possible for moods to change, of course, but if it's that intense regularly there may be an issue.
 
#10 ·
I have a lot of shortcomings, but thankfully insecurity isn't generally one of them. My reaction to criticism depends on who is giving it and how it's delivered. If it's coming from someone I respect, then I consider what they are saying quite seriously. And if someone has earned my respect, they probably aren't being malicious about it.

As I've gotten older, I've been able to dismiss others' judgments or criticisms of me. Learning about fundamental personality differences has helped with this a lot. I can chalk it up to "this person just sees the world differently than I do and this doesn't have much to do with me personally." Or worst case, this is a toxic person and I'm not going to give this any of my energy if I can help it.

I don't know. Life is short and I'm determined not to worry about things that don't ultimately matter. And when you do try to only focus on things that truly matter, you realize that not much actually fits into that category! It's like light nihilism. And it's freeing.
 
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I am generally immune to personal attacks such as "You are crazy." (actually I know I am nuts so I tell them they are right, lol) but I can get really upset when I m dealing with idiocy - either when someone doesn't get what I am trying to convey (or when they pretend they don't get it in order to make fun of me - because I will convince them over and over again, getting more and more upset with their idiocy while being an idiot myself) or when I am the stupid one, meaning something I knew as truth is not(for example I was convinced my flatmates mother is the "flat owner" because she said "Theoretically it's my mother's flat but you can pay the rent and talk everything out with me." when I signed the papers and "I will ask my mom and let you know." when I asked about some refurnishing, then suddenly, a few months later when I asked for a contact to her mother because I wished to talk to the owner directly (some construction I wanted to be made) she told me "My mom isn't the owner, I am the one renting the flat". WHY? HOW? She made it seem her mom is the owner and then suddenly she isn't? -_-' And the construction didn't get done because my flatmate is too lazy - now I am sitting in a half-cold room because the heating doesn't work properly and nothing can be done before heating season ends).
 
#13 ·
As for the OPs comments. I would say that yes, I am sensitive to criticism specifically from those close to me. Likely because they are few and far in between. My father and my partner I suppose. I also read too much into comments or actions from those two people I suppose, and "borrow trouble".

In terms of the work situation, I wouldn't say I am over-sensitive, but I am hugely logical, and get hugely frustrated when I am critiqued or made to "pay a price" for something nonsensical or illogical. For example, if I am being treated differently than a peer, or if I did something that makes sense or am criticized for something I didn't do, it isn't appropriate and I am generally not going to just accept it. I don't think that is being over-sensitive, it think it is about justification and what is right. We are less willing to just accept the system or people saying "because I said so".
 
#14 ·
I agree a lot with scarlet heart. People have to earn my respect, and it's only the respected few who I will care about feedback from. I do a lot of prioritising and don't sweat the small stuff, but on The Big Stuff, I will really sweat it! I'm therefore my own worst critic, I've already analysed myself, my performance etc over and over so chances are, someone I don't care about pointing out flaws to me is doubly nothing because I know about those flaws and if I care about them, I'm working on them already. I'll take good feedback from respected persons well and listen to what they say and try to improve.

the concept of 'blindsides' came up though - yes, this is bad, this is what will floor me. if a respected person blindsides me without something i didnt see coming it will send me into a flat spin emotionally.
 
#15 ·
I can be insecure when I open up a part of me that is meant to be (at least for me)
completely personal. Even before I get responses I can feel insecure about what
responses I may get even.

This has happened more as I age. It, I think, has to do with my want to feel and
explore how I feel . So I push boundaries that under normal circumstances
need not be pushed for decent forward motion.

I am stirring the pot, poking the bear so to speak and the bear bites my head
off quite often as of late. This will strike me like a pang of anxiety.

I am torn when it happens because it makes my stomach ache but at the same time it is
so damned interesting to feel that way. And why?! What is my stomach trying to tell me?
That I shouldn't be doing this? Or maybe it falls under the .... pain to growth mechanism.
Like I am freaked out by it simply since I am not used to it? Time and attrition may
mitigate that feeling? Do I even want that feeling to go away?

The above is speaking strictly on insecurity as it falls into my exploration
of my emotions.


A bad habit I have for dodging insecurity in physical items (which nary happens)
is to simply avoid the activity. When questioned about why I may be dodging the
activity I sometimes use lame excuses and belittle the activity as if it is beneath me
when in fact it is me just trying to forgo the insecure feelings I may receive due to
failing in that activity. I find this especially true when the people who will be
privy to the activity have built me up like I am naturally suppose to be good at
whatever the activity may be.


hmmm interesting... Ill have to think on it