1.) I don't think integration is as common as average/disintegration.
2.) 9w8 doesn't mean you'll be confronting and assertive, it's more that sometimes you'll be more aggressive without realizing it, and not as dreamy and scattered.
3.) idk about the numbness.
4.) I think that even cp-6's are still very unrelaxed, which is what makes them so reactive.
5.) 6's are more ambivalent to authority. I think 9's are more likely to love authority, because they don't mind being told what and what not to do, and they're more trusting.

That's all I got.

 

@mysterio

Don't think of the enneagram as traits and descriptions (such as "focused" and "detail-oriented"), because that's not what it's about. Any type can have (or not have) just about any traits. What really matters is the underlying dynamics.

6's are focused on uncertainty. As a 6, I approach things with the premise that there is always more I don't know. For example, "I could be a 6, but it's entirely possible that there's some hidden rule I don't know about that would make a different type instead." So I go looking for information that contradicts the idea of me being a 6. Then I look for information that supports the idea of me being a different type. But then I shift gears again and look for information that contradicts that idea. This is how 6's solve problems (or sometimes end up going in circles as I have done ). They vacillate between belief and doubt because too much of either one can be limiting. Security for a 6 simply means an end to their uncertainty and vacillation. Anxiety may or may not result from their focus on uncertainty.

Focus on uncertainty ("there's always more I don't know") --> Vacillation (belief/doubt)

Type 9 is about sloth or acedia. This means choosing to not be invested in your life and what happens to you in order to be okay with anything. This is why 9's are usually placid. I have a clip that demonstrates this:

(Watch 19:10-20:20)

Lack of investment in own life --> Placid ("Okay with anything")

Which of these is the more common theme of your life?

 

@mysterio

Don't think of the enneagram as traits and descriptions (such as "focused" and "detail-oriented"), because that's not what it's about. Any type can have (or not have) just about any traits. What really matters is the underlying dynamics.

6's are focused on uncertainty. As a 6, I approach things with the premise that there is always more I don't know. For example, "I could be a 6, but it's entirely possible that there's some hidden rule I don't know about that would make a different type instead." So I go looking for information that contradicts the idea of me being a 6. Then I look for information that supports the idea of me being a different type. But then I shift gears again and look for information that contradicts that idea. This is how 6's solve problems (or sometimes end up going in circles as I have done ). They vacillate between belief and doubt because too much of either one can be limiting. Security for a 6 simply means an end to their uncertainty and vacillation. Anxiety may or may not result from their focus on uncertainty.

Focus on uncertainty ("there's always more I don't know") --> Vacillation (belief/doubt)

Type 9 is about sloth or acedia. This means choosing to not be invested in your life and what happens to you in order to be okay with anything. This is why 9's are usually placid. I have a clip that demonstrates this:

(Watch 19:10-20:20)

Lack of investment in own life --> Placid ("Okay with anything")

Which of these is the more common theme of your life?

Yeah, i know about the underlying dynamics. But it's difficult to see one pattern, when they overlap so strong, because of (dis-)integration, 6 to 9 (growth), 9 to 6 (stress).

I can see myself in your "description" of the 6ish thinking/researching. The doubt/believe dichotomy is strong in me, indeed!

BUT (there is always a BUT ;-) ): I also resonate with your video-example of a 9. I could have said something like that (but i am not sure, if i "force" this behaviour...why? i sometimes wish, i wouldn't be so upset about some things...i would like an i-don't-care-attitude! :blushed: ). And also i am idealizing flow and really don't make great weaves. It was something of a little "shock" to, when i recognized step-by-step that for a lot of people in my world i have an influence, an impact...i mattered! Without doing anything special. Until then, i thought (without much thinking), that it's quite normal, when you don't really matter and no one would really miss you at all. (this sounds more depressing than it really is, i assure you :tongue: ).

My personal "placid" could have its source in a really lucky upbringing (as mentioned in your video-example), because i got all, what i wanted (without wanting or trying too much!). Could also be an explanation for my lack of wish for achievement. I think i often accept to little...

But i appreciate your comment, it is really thought- and heplful. :happy:

 

The big problem with identifying your type is that it is only where you are right now,
not where you have been or where you are going.

To me 9ish seem unlikely, 1w9 or 6 is more likely.

As a 9 the vid @Silveresque shared struck home like it was based on how I think about the world at core.
Now sometimes my 8 wing show it's face, but that is only cause an invisible stressline has been crossed.
Anything over that and 8 takes over to lessen the load.

Anyway you not jumping wow this is sooooo my style of dealing with the world about the vid
Well it weakens the 9 chances dramatically.
I really liked how when they had left he sank into himself clutching his heart,
to zone out his anger over having been hit and hurting.
Cause the calmness is a deception to himself as well as others.
As evident from his self-talk, if you don't identify with that kind of sel-talk,
then 9 is probably far from you, 6 seem probable.
I'm here on this forum and I'm not a test junkie to dispell that myth.
I've always stuck with whatever type I've gotten for a while until challenged or I stumbled over a better explanation.
Then I would just change if convinced. I only question a lot when I'm down in the gutter so to speak.
Cause then it seem like every decision might be life and death so I better make it good.

 

The big problem with identifying your type is that it is only where you are right now,
not where you have been or where you are going.

To me 9ish seem unlikely, 1w9 or 6 is more likely.

As a 9 the vid @Silveresque shared struck home like it was based on how I think about the world at core.
Now sometimes my 8 wing show it's face, but that is only cause an invisible stressline has been crossed.
Anything over that and 8 takes over to lessen the load.

Anyway you not jumping wow this is sooooo my style of dealing with the world about the vid
Well it weakens the 9 chances dramatically.
I really liked how when they had left he sank into himself clutching his heart,
to zone out his anger over having been hit and hurting.
Cause the calmness is a deception to himself as well as others.
As evident from his self-talk, if you don't identify with that kind of sel-talk,
then 9 is probably far from you, 6 seem probable.
I'm here on this forum and I'm not a test junkie to dispell that myth.
I've always stuck with whatever type I've gotten for a while until challenged or I stumbled over a better explanation.
Then I would just change if convinced. I only question a lot when I'm down in the gutter so to speak.
Cause then it seem like every decision might be life and death so I better make it good.

I thought the OP said he did resonate with the video.

Anyways, it's interesting that it fits you so well. I hadn't shown this to any 9's yet, so I'm glad to hear that it really is spot on for 9's.

(And for the record, I don't relate to the video. Things seeming distant is the only thing that resonates.)

 

Do you relate to 3 at all?

And if so how?

I said to someone today that I a dream of just being able to sleep all day, reading and eating cookies, but that I also dream of being highly successful and productive.

Ultimately, what I really want is to be successful, beautiful and productive while sleeping, reading and eating cookies.

It is probably a poor thing for me to reduce being a 9 to sleeping, reading and eating, but I do think that despite how hard we may work in real life (and I do work hard) there is a deep part of us that just wants to not have to do anything.

I guess it is easier for me, I am quite clearly a 9. And I have learnt to see how I disintegrate to 6, those times in stress when I start worrying about particular situations which I have been avoiding for a while, and I start crying and getting more stressed about it. From my understanding, for a 6 this state is second nature, while for me, a 9, it is quite stressful.
As for 3, I get those times when I feeling good and surrounded by people and I just act a bit like a 3, maybe a bit boastful. I don't in anyway have the motivations of a 3, but I do have just this little part of me that likes to be recognized for my achievements. I mean, everyone must like that to at least a certain extent.

I guess that is the thing, everyone relates to parts of all 9 types, it is sorting out how and why.

*goes and watches video instead of going to bed*

You would think for someone so lazy I would spend more time in bed, but no.

 

I said to someone today that I a dream of just being able to sleep all day, reading and eating cookies, but that I also dream of being highly successful and productive.

Ultimately, what I really want is to be successful, beautiful and productive while sleeping, reading and eating cookies.

Being lazy all the time and never having to work? This is my dream as well!

Now I want a cookie. I think I'll go look for one.

 

Love this thread! But what if your tritype has 6w7 AND 9w1?

Apprently I'm a 4w3 6w7 9w1 and I feel both poles of 6 and 9 traits.

Is that weird?