8w7 so/sp frank lucas (american gangster)
8w7 so/sx tommy (goodfellas)
8w7 sx/so tony montana (scarface)
8w7 sx/sp stanley kowalski (streetcar named desire) or 8w7 sx/so.
8w9 so/sp Magneto
6w5 sp/so Yosemite Sam (bugs bunny)
6w5 sp/sx Adonis Creed

@Heavy, what do you think about Sue from Glee Club? here is a clip:

 

8w7 so/sp frank lucas (american gangster)
8w7 so/sx tommy (goodfellas)
8w7 sx/so tony montana (scarface)
8w7 sx/sp stanley kowalski (streetcar named desire) or 8w7 sx/so.
8w9 so/sp Magneto
6w5 sp/so Yosemite Sam (bugs bunny)
6w5 sp/sx Adonis Creed

@Heavy, what do you think about Sue from Glee Club? here is a clip:

that character is so/sp 3w2.


so/sp combativeness combines with the vanity and narcissism of type 3 to make for an ultra-competitive trash-talker, and, above all, a showman. but of all the 3w2 stacks they take losing the hardest.


examples: donald trump, gordon ramsay, tyson fury, chael sonnen, muhammad ali, ricardo mayorga, rhonda rousey


BTW your other typings are right. kowalski is 8w7 sx/sp.

 

@Tega1 - you listed Hans Landa as a 9w1? I'm interested on seeing your reasoning behind it

 

Hi miss bigley. As I had alluded to in the introduction, these are the fictional exemplars list put out by Stackemup.net. Stackemup is a supplier of specialized enneagram resources. A person named Tomb was the mastermind behind the fictional exemplars list and has already posted it on another forum. You would have to go to stackemup to ask him precisely for the original reasoning on Landa, but from speaking with him privately I have a pretty good sense for what he was getting at. So I will put in my own words why the typing for Hans Landa makes total sense to me.


Landa shows the 9 merging strategy in just about every scene that he’s in. He can move in and out of other character's energy fields with an eerie, uncharacteristic ease. He was successful at his evil profession because he was able to dissolve the boundaries between himself and the people he was after. He excels at getting inside the minds of the people he’s after in a way that can’t be taught or deduced logically. You wouldn’t know he had serious fundamental disagreements with the people he was seated across from until the circumstances were such that he had no other choice but to show his hand.


Landa also speaks a lot in metaphors and analogies, and frequently avoids disrupting the energy between himself and the person he’s interrogating. He’s never burly, poorly mannered, inarticulate, crude, or over the top and he values himself for being able to see the points of view of the people he’s after. Not only does he value himself for it, he excels at it. 9w1 interrogators are about as placid and pliable as an interrogator can get away with being. On a deeper level, the nines’ placidness is a strategy for suppressing rage. And Landa fits this to a tee. His placid manner, when seen at various points in the film with his sometimes violent fit of rage, points to a serious need for him to suppress a deeply seated volcano of anger, that for the most part, he wants to keep out of touch with. Landa is like an evil version of Mr. Rogers. That also overlaps Stackemup’s typing of David Duke as a 9w1 so/sp. Duke is a bad guy and a horrible human being, but I wouldn’t guess that if I met him and knew nothing about his views.


Like Duke, you can see Landa's one wing just peaking out from his desire to merge with the people around him. Even though Landa is able to easily merge with the people he’s after in order to capture them, he still remains inflexible in his warped convictions. Just because a so/sp 9w1 can see your point of view doesn’t mean they are going to show leniency. Landa is still obligated by his misguided 1-like sense of duty to the Nazi cause to prosecute those he’s after, in spite of how warped that sense of duty is. He’s not going to give any of the families he hunts a break, ever.


Keep in mind that 9w1 and so/sp are in conflict. so/sp is combative and prone to a preoccupation with enemies while the core of type 9 is the dissolution of boundaries between themselves and others. So in selecting the best fictional exemplar, you have to find a so/sp that harbors a combativeness and prone to a preoccupation with getting rid of enemies, but is also a placid enough nine that those two features of so/sp appear to be neutralized at first glance or seem deeply layered. Landa is quite clearly so/sp but yet he overlays the reverse flow tendencies of so/sp [FN1] with the pliable and placid tone of 9w1. The 1 wing gives the 9 inflexibility in views that can seem to be in total contrast with the 9w1’s pliability and placidness and this is what you get with Hans Landa, fitting into the overall logic of the list. As you move one over to 1w9 so/sp, the placid gestalt gives way to one that is more in sync with so/sp. It comes out in full front with the character of R’as Al Ghul (1w9 so/sp)….as you move over to 1w9, the contempt and inflexibility becomes solidified and the capacity to see different points of view is greatly diminished.


A final point, its important to remember that people of the same type as you can hold views that are entirely opposite to what you believe and can act in ways that defy your moral compass. Landa represented a twisted, hateful ideology. Nevertheless, I think he’s the best fictional example of 9w1 so/sp for the reasons I have above stated.


[FN1] the flow, reverse-flow concept for stackings is an idea that originated at enneasite.com.

 

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@Tega1 - thank you so much, what a great and fascinating explanation!

 

3w2 so/sp Sue (Glee Club)
7w8 so/sx bugsy siegel (Bugsy)
7w8 so/sp castor troy (face off)
8w9 sp/sx neil macauley (heat)
7w8 sp/sx boris the blade (snatch)
3w2 so/sp Tango (American Gangster)
3w2 so/sx Axel Foley (Beverly Hills cop)
6w7 so/sp Nick Trupo (American Gangster)
8w7 sp/sx O-Ren Ishii (Kill Bill 2)
8w7 so/sp Wicked Witch of the West (Wizard of Oz)
8w9 so/sx jimmy markum (Mystic River)
8w7 sp/so colonel jessup (A few good men)
8w9 so/sp Leo (miller’s crossing)
1w2 sp/so Colonel Trautman (First Blood)


@Heavy, what do you think is a good distinction between 7w8 and 8w7? i can see it but not put it into words. ideally i'm looking for a specialized distinction, one that speaks to the core difference in their rises and falls from power.

 

3w2 so/sp Sue (Glee Club)
7w8 so/sx bugsy siegel (Bugsy)
7w8 so/sp castor troy (face off)
8w9 sp/sx neil macauley (heat)
7w8 sp/sx boris the blade (snatch)
3w2 so/sp Tango (American Gangster)
3w2 so/sx Axel Foley (Beverly Hills cop)
6w7 so/sp Nick Trupo (American Gangster)
8w7 sp/sx O-Ren Ishii (Kill Bill 2)
8w7 so/sp Wicked Witch of the West (Wizard of Oz)
8w9 so/sx jimmy markum (Mystic River)
8w7 sp/so colonel jessup (A few good men)
8w9 so/sp Leo (miller’s crossing)
1w2 sp/so Colonel Trautman (First Blood)


@Heavy, what do you think is a good distinction between 7w8 and 8w7? i can see it but not put it into words. ideally i'm looking for a specialized distinction, one that speaks to the core difference in their rises and falls from power.

Good question. dominance is a means to an end for 7w8s. Being at the top of the mountain gives 7w8s the means to enjoy the finer things in life. for 8w7, dominance is an end, and not a means to some other goal.

The more power the 7w8 accumulates the softer they get as they become more gluttonous in their desire to hedonistically indulge. the more power 8w7 accumulates their ruthlessness increases incrementally as as to consolidate and expand.

the 7w8's downfall comes about because their plans become too grandiose. They get carried away spoiling themselves. Their sensual nature gives others the ammunition to argue that they need to be taken out of the picture because they've grown too soft and impractical (or just off the wall). the 8w7's downfall comes about because they grow more brutal in their drive to consolidate and expand. They begin to establish dominance through more harsh and sadistic means, anything to hold onto their power, in turn, committing actions that cause revulsion from their own people, who eventually band together against them.

 

7w8 so/sp: Frank White (King of New York)
6w5 so/sp: Detective Dennis Gilley (King of New York)
6w5 so/sx: Ray Jackson (Bloodsport)
8w7 so/sp: Chong Li (Bloodsport)
8w7 so/sx: Jimmy Jump (King of New York)
8w7 sp/so: Santo Trafficante (Donnie Brasco)
8w7 sp/sx: Grama (Rounders)
8w7 sx/so: Sonny Black (Donnie Brasco)
8w9 so/sp: O-ren Ishii (revised)
8w9 sp/so: Leo (Miller’s Crossing)
8w9 sp/sx: Tommy Udo (Kiss of Death)
8w9 sx/sp: Laure/Lily (Femme Fatale)
7w8 sx/sp: Wit Sterling (Out of the Past)
7w6 sp/sx: Benjamin Ruggiero (Donnie Brasco)
7w8 sp/so: Speed (Hard Times)
7w8 sp/sx: Boris the Blade (Rounders)
6w7 so/sx: Worm (Rounders)
6w7 sx/sp: Jackie Flannery (State of Grace)
8w9 so/sp: Frank Flannery (State of Grace)
5w4 sp/so: Joey Knish (Rounders)
6w5 sp/so: Sergeant Dignam (the departed)
6w5 sp/sx: Detective Bishop (King of New York)