[Librarian]

I can't say I've verified INFJs here to be fake, but I have noticed little things that make me go "Awesome, that is so INFJ on every level," with quite a few INFJs here. Also, I've read what people who previously mistyped as INFJ realized didn't add up. Here's some -possibly- helpful "tips" (I can't help but feel a little odd by this entire thread but hopefully I say nothing offensive.)

What I've noticed about INFJ-esq Users who seem very INFJ:

- They don't brag about being INFJ or always point out the awesomeness that is their Type.

- They know the struggles of being INFJ

- Though they believe others can view them as sometimes cold, or even view themselves this way, they still are keenly aware of their ability to read others and have a deep desire to help others.

- People know them as empathetic, kind, peace seeking individuals and INFJs are proud of that.

- They are smart enough to know kindness is a strength, not a weakness, even if others claim different.

- They don't just want to help those they know, they want to help people as a whole.

- They don't quickly judge other types or claim they are superior, not even hinting as such.

- Their dreams still hold a sense of actually happening, as in, steps are taken to reach said dream and not simply imagined.

- They want peaceful discussion and allow different opinions. In fact, most enjoy it and seem to allow others ideas to inspire something in their own.

- They can laugh at themselves, and Se seems to be their favorite running gag! They seem to enjoy discussing fiction, too, or at least respect that others do instead of finding it strange.

- They know how different they are, yet can also see what makes each person, of any type, special and rare in their own right. They deny no one the belief of being unique, because they know first-hand the real life ups and downs of differing from society and embrace what makes each user a true individual wholeheartedly.

 

[Marvin the Dendroid]

How many PerC members are there in total? How many of these self-identify as INFJ's? These are the questions.

Right. Because ESTJs love spending time discussing personality psychology online, there'll be 8.7 % of them here. Ergo 75 % of PerC members will be sensors? FYI this format mostly attracts INXXs, hence the most active subforums are INFP, INFJ, INTP and INTJ. In that order.

 

[mistakenforstranger]

 

[with water]

Kind of hard, actually. Because FiNe can look like Fe. And people who use Ne always seem to think they use Ni.

The thing that gives away Ni users for me is typically some bullshit ass logic that only makes sense to them. Maybe they got the right answer, but they normally have some batshit way of getting to it. Ne thoughts are kind of lateral and fleeting, but Ni thoughts seem to make no sense.

 

[with water]

It's funny how many times someone has to say this, and still people complain about fake INFJs. It's also funny that one of the only logical things said in this thread was from an INFJ and not all the supposed "NTs". It just so happens that lots of INFJs love personality types. It's an interest that's perfectly suited for INFJs because it combines understanding and reading people (NF) with discrete categorization (J). And since we're Introverts, we enjoy online forums. Ergo, there are lots of INFJs here.

Umm, but J in a 4 letter type has no inherent meaning on its own. Why are you defining J as discrete categorization? In fact, most of this logic seems flawed.

 

[charlie.elliot]

Umm, but J in a 4 letter type has no inherent meaning on its own. Why are you defining J as discrete categorization? In fact, most of this logic seems flawed.

Yes it does, it correlates with external organization, (Fe/ Te), to make up for internal disorganization (Ni/Si). It correlates with people who like the outside world to be more organized and systematic.

And yes I know, whenever I call someone else's logic flawed, someone will just come and say "No, your logic is flawed, ha!" It's a risk you take. But maybe kindly explain?

 

[with water]

Yes it does, it correlates with external organization, (Fe/ Te), to make up for internal disorganization (Ni/Si). It correlates with people who like the outside world to be more organized and systematic.

And yes I know, whenever I call someone else's logic flawed, someone will just come and say "No, your logic is flawed, ha!" It's a risk you take. But maybe kindly explain?

I thought you were doing the whole "He's such a Judger" thing. That only seems to give birth to more misinformation, so I hate seeing it. You made no reference to functions and mentioned introvert as if they were introverted rather than the function.

 

[Zelandros]

I don't get why people want to prove fake infjs as fake, rather than proving real infps are infps instead of INFJ, would that not be a better way is to help people embrace their true types instead of pointing out the wrong? And to me I am not someone who feels pride at what I discovered to be INFJ, I understand the rareness of it but I do not feel it as unique or special, just different. some ways better some ways worse than other types, but in the end we are still just people.

 

[odinthor]

I don't get why people want to prove fake infjs as fake, rather than proving real infps are infps instead of INFJ, would that not be a better way is to help people embrace their true types instead of pointing out the wrong? And to me I am not someone who feels pride at what I discovered to be INFJ, I understand the rareness of it but I do not feel it as unique or special, just different. some ways better some ways worse than other types, but in the end we are still just people.

Yes, quite so, it's a whimsical question, inviting the several whimsical answers which were posted. Imagine answering something like, "How to spot a fake [picking a country at complete random] Swede...?". Answer: Wears clothing with a Dala Horse motif. Is more than 3 seconds late to a meeting or appointment. Is best friends with a Dane. (etc. etc.)

Oy!

 

[Zelandros]

hahah silly Danes!

 

[septic tank]

If that is your goal, wouldn't it make more sense to ask how to spot a real one? I actually think you're better off seeing who you're naturally drawn to and leave type out of it, but that's just me.

^ preach

 

[Zosio]

throw a ball at their face

if it hits their face and they don't try to kill you, they are an infj

if it hits their face and they try to kill you, they are intj

if it doesn't hit their face, they are fakers

trust the ball

hit the face

amen

Never leave me, @Kaboomz

 

By the way, was this you by any chance?

It just gave me a vibe.

 

[Kaboomz]

Never leave me, @Kaboomz

 

By the way, was this you by any chance?

It just gave me a vibe.

this made my face so happy it hurt lol

funny story. i moved house last week and literally did everything in the first minute of that video to my new/old mattress...

i did not go far enough!

 

[odetoanathema]

I don't get why people want to prove fake infjs as fake, rather than proving real infps are infps instead of INFJ, would that not be a better way is to help people embrace their true types instead of pointing out the wrong? And to me I am not someone who feels pride at what I discovered to be INFJ, I understand the rareness of it but I do not feel it as unique or special, just different. some ways better some ways worse than other types, but in the end we are still just people.[/QUOTE
Hmm, I agree. For me it's not really proving people as wrong and pointing fingers (sorry for badly worded introduction cause that's what it sounds like) it's more of just, wanting to find authentic ones that aren't just like "look at me I'm such a rare special snowflake no one understands me" ones I guess. If that makes sense. And also I was low key trying to doublecheck my own type because you can never be too sure

 

[thedog]

They lack that certain...... expansive something in the eyes.

But yeah, it doesn't matter.

 

[Songs unsung]

I am actually very close to INFP, as occasionally my J/P preference slightly swings over to P, usually when I'm exhausted or in withdrawal mode. (I'm not saying that INFPs are always tired, just that I tend to only test as INFP when I am). But even during more energetic times, I only ever have a slight preference for J over P, no more than 15%.

I think there will be others here who may sometimes swing to INTJ, ENFJ, ISFJ or even INTP on tests. I think it depends on how strongly each person prefers one way to another. I don't think this makes us fake, but rather perhaps 'weak' in certain functions? I have no hesitation in admitting to being weak in certain areas, and I would personally prefer to be labelled a 'weak' INFJ than a 'fake' one, but others may disagree.

I would also guess that most people of any type are not evenly strong in all functions related to their type. And that those who are, are rare regardless of their type.

 

[Kirjuri]

I am actually very close to INFP, as occasionally my J/P preference slightly swings over to P, usually when I'm exhausted or in withdrawal mode. (I'm not saying that INFPs are always tired, just that I tend to only test as INFP when I am). But even during more energetic times, I only ever have a slight preference for J over P, no more than 15%.

I'd like to comment that percentages on tests only mean probabilities of you being the result you got - not an amount. Your type doesn't change with mood. You might be the J'est J and still score low on a test because everyone understands questions and options differently and even your experience shifts with mood. The cognitive framework that comprises of your type doesn't change.

The widely agreed upon theory is that your cognitive framework is determined during early childhood or even birth. It won't shift - or, it can shift, but it prefers to preserve itself. Only your understanding of the personality theory changes. Study cognitive functions if you really want to know your type, if you haven't already. Tests are a very unreliable source.

 

[Inveniet]

I met an INFJ today at a boardgame meetup.
He was kinda Ni-Ti loopy.
My ENTJ friend joined us for a round of a very Ni-Ti game.
The ENTJ got bored.
He told the INFJ that the INFJ should brush his teeth and use mouthwater.
He informed him of this as he would like to have others tell him if his own breath was that bad.
It was an awkward and tense moment, while the INFJ was deer stuck in headlights.
I shrugged my head and wished the ENTJ a good journey home,
as he had indicated that he wanted to leave the boring game.

The INFJ acted like he had waited all his life to be able to play this game again,
a game he seemed to have memorized every rule to.
Even though he only played it once before and failed to finish.
I figured I'd amuse him and hence made sure that there was a victory.
But only barely as the INFJ kept getting crap dice-throws and getting in trouble over debt all the time.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this as he wasn't fake, just sort of messed up.

The game, Eldritch Horror: (If they don't want to play this, they no real INFJ) *there kept it on topic sort of...

 

[Songs unsung]

I'd like to comment that percentages on tests only mean probabilities of you being the result you got - not an amount. Your type doesn't change with mood. You might be the J'est J and still score low on a test because everyone understands questions and options differently and even your experience shifts with mood. The cognitive framework that comprises of your type doesn't change.

The widely agreed upon theory is that your cognitive framework is determined during early childhood or even birth. It won't shift - or, it can shift, but it prefers to preserve itself. Only your understanding of the personality theory changes. Study cognitive functions if you really want to know your type, if you haven't already. Tests are a very unreliable source.

The point I was trying to make, was that people can be very different within a type, and may be more similar to different types at different times.

Whether personality is fixed or can be changed during the course of one's life, I'm not yet completely convinced either way.

I'm also not completely convinced by the cognitive functions. This is not to say I don't understand them, or that I don't find them helpful to describe different ways of processing information and experiences, but simply I am not convinced that an INFJ will ALWAYS process information/experiences in the same order/way, but merely will have a more natural inclination to do so one way, over another way belonging to a different personality type.

Of course, some people do virtually always process information/experiences in the same way, true to type, and this may be true of you, I'm not denying that. And indeed I said that such people exist, but would be rare. I maintain that most people of any type, will sometimes stray to different ways however, and that's okay, and may even be healthy.

 

[AOD III]

If thinking about themselves in that way makes their lives better, it's no skin off my butt whether they're true INFJs or really confused ESTPs.

The thought that in a million years an ESTP would mistake themselves for an INFJ had me in stitches.