I had just recently made the unfathomable decision of joining a dance crew despite not thinking that my moves are up to par with the rest of my friends just so I had something productive to do this summer. It got me thinking about functions and how it could be related to my lack of ability in physical activities and coordination. I may be able to attack a violin or guitar with exact precision in my fingers, but I never excelled at team sports or anything requiring me to utilize my whole body. Just wondering if there are any INTJ's (or INFJ's) who have managed to prove their abilities in these areas and if it naturally came to them or was something that was purely done out of hard work.
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I was never "naturally" talented or gifted at any physical activity or sport, but my competitive nature made up for this. I would always try my hardest in these things, I wanted to be great.
I find myself very indulgent in Se-related activities, I greatly enjoy things like camping, sports, hiking, etc. they are a great way for me to relieve stress and channel my energy, it's also nice to get out of my head every once in a while.
I find myself very indulgent in Se-related activities, I greatly enjoy things like camping, sports, hiking, etc. they are a great way for me to relieve stress and channel my energy, it's also nice to get out of my head every once in a while.
i'm good at things involving trajectories, like catching balls and not crashing a bike. and i'm good at things that need coordinated internal symmetry, like compound weight lifting. i'm well beyond terrible at anything that requires me to do one thing on the left while doing something else on the right. my brain physically doesn't know which is my left and which is my right, forget giving each of them something different to do.
you might have better luck since playing an instrument already trains that differentiation, i assume.
you might have better luck since playing an instrument already trains that differentiation, i assume.
hilarious.
Do something ambidextrous to practice dancing (outside of dancing). Jump rope, dribble a basketball, run back and forth wildly. It will just help you get used to your body. Don't take it serious. Just go hard enough to not think anything, just you moving.
I do go on runs occasionally, I also play a lot of table tennis. Getting good at it though, was purely hard work. I sucked horribly when I started (hand-eye coordination was pitiful). But I kept at it and took tips, training and played games any time I could spare, in order to become good at it.
I played team sports growing up and was pretty good at most of them. I enjoyed the competitive nature of sports, plus I enjoyed the physical contact (it sounds weird, but I actually liked rough and tumble play, despite not liking physical contact outside of that context).
I wasn't good at sports, especially those knowledge thirst years when I was 10-12 years old. I stayed indoor reading most of the time. I found running around like a kid boring. I didn't get other kids. LOL Then, I developed interest in martial arts and yoga. I can't say I am good at these, but I do practice these for years.
heh. That's a random thing to do 
I'd say I have some natural ability when it comes to sports. I enjoy being physically active and seem to be good at sports and such as long as I'm able to stay in a flow. That sounds a bit wooly but what I mean is; as soon as I become aware of that I'm doing well or when I start consciously trying I'll usually fall flat on my face and/or ruin that flow. I'm best with physical activities that involve doing movement to a certain count (repetitions of four, counting along with the rythm of a song).
Anything but team sports though. Team sports are not my thing.
I'd say I have some natural ability when it comes to sports. I enjoy being physically active and seem to be good at sports and such as long as I'm able to stay in a flow. That sounds a bit wooly but what I mean is; as soon as I become aware of that I'm doing well or when I start consciously trying I'll usually fall flat on my face and/or ruin that flow. I'm best with physical activities that involve doing movement to a certain count (repetitions of four, counting along with the rythm of a song).
Anything but team sports though. Team sports are not my thing.
I'm basically a clutz, but I do remember being pretty decent at catching fly balls when I was a kid. I think INTJs use different functions to try and succeed at physical activities. I sprint from time to time and I enjoy that, I also enjoy swimming. I think pretty much anyone can do those two.
One parent is an ESTP, so I had a lot of encouragement in the physical activity area. I did very well at sports, but I had to work really really hard at it. Even then I never stood first in any competition, unless you count being captain coming first. I play team sports but seem unable to adapt to changing circumstances on the field or to other people doing things that don't make sense. as an example, in high school basketball, the opposing team members would deliberately hit you on the privates when taking a shot because refs really can't see that and to me that made total sense once I knew what was going on, but that didn't make me like it any better and i certainly wasn't able to ignore it and make the shot even though that was what better players were able to do.
I did take up ballroom dancing, but still find myself not quite figuring out how to make it interesting for my part - i do ok, but not great which makes it boring for my partner. for quite a few years I tried learning the violin but I suck at it. I tried learning piano recently, but haven;t gone far enough to be able to baseline my performance.
stuff like hiking are the ones i like a lot because there doesn't seem to be much of skill and it still is fun for me. the interesting thing is that i am very competetive, even if I don't admit it readily and so I feel bad when I don't come in first where there is some sort of judgment going on. in general i prefer activities that have no clear metrics(time, marks, grades) for what is first, but rely on more fuzzy but objective measures to figure out of the goal has been achieved.
I did take up ballroom dancing, but still find myself not quite figuring out how to make it interesting for my part - i do ok, but not great which makes it boring for my partner. for quite a few years I tried learning the violin but I suck at it. I tried learning piano recently, but haven;t gone far enough to be able to baseline my performance.
stuff like hiking are the ones i like a lot because there doesn't seem to be much of skill and it still is fun for me. the interesting thing is that i am very competetive, even if I don't admit it readily and so I feel bad when I don't come in first where there is some sort of judgment going on. in general i prefer activities that have no clear metrics(time, marks, grades) for what is first, but rely on more fuzzy but objective measures to figure out of the goal has been achieved.
I’m also clumsy when it comes to purely physical activities. In fact, I only get to experience Se when:
- Playing tennis or individual sports
- Having sex
- Sparring during Krav Maga lessons
- Slightly drunk
- Cooking (this is somewhat transversal, since it’s stimulating for Ni, Te, Fi and Se)
I was really good a soccer when I was younger. I even played offense on a boy's team. excelled at dancing (WUT? DANCING INTJ? must be a joke! But no, I have great control over my limbs). I enjoy cycling, hiking, sex, food, running and so on. But it doesn't matter how much I enjoy it. Ni always catches up with me and pulls me back in for days, weeks and months. It has me doing stupid shit like spending time typing insignificant bull online to people I don't know nor care about, rather than going outside.
I'm going to go Se now. ktxbye.
I'm going to go Se now. ktxbye.
I really like physical activity and have always been into sports.
Specifically:
- swimming, as a child and in my teens
- Running, as an adult
Now if for any reason I can't go for a run, I do my exercises at home, lifting small weights, doing crunches, squats, that sort of stuff. I feel like I need to, as I work in front of the computer all day.
I once tried going to a gym and it was excruciating. The music, the people, everything. Not for me.
On another occasion I tried yoga - I liked the physical activity, but all the 'spiritual' aspect of it was a definitive turn-off for me.
That's why I'm so into running (and, previously, into swimming). Because it's something I can do alone. Just me and my thoughts. I have actually solved work problems just by going for a run.
Specifically:
- swimming, as a child and in my teens
- Running, as an adult
Now if for any reason I can't go for a run, I do my exercises at home, lifting small weights, doing crunches, squats, that sort of stuff. I feel like I need to, as I work in front of the computer all day.
I once tried going to a gym and it was excruciating. The music, the people, everything. Not for me.
On another occasion I tried yoga - I liked the physical activity, but all the 'spiritual' aspect of it was a definitive turn-off for me.
That's why I'm so into running (and, previously, into swimming). Because it's something I can do alone. Just me and my thoughts. I have actually solved work problems just by going for a run.
I am absolutely awful at activities involving just my body ike ball games. Maybe because playing those in school was just awful, basically just standing around and being reminded every 3 minutes that you suck, real quality education right there. The only good part of those classes was talking shit and doing anything with my classmates when the teacher went to drink coffee or some shit.
Improvisational dancing is also something im absolutely awful at, my ability for that is literally 0, it is impossible. Its like riding a bike when youre tired. In that situation I want to go faster but I hit the physical limit of not being an efficient machine. The neural signal is there to push down on the pedal but nothing happens, its the same with dancing but I just have no idea what to do next and I cant plan anything in advance either.
Routine based dancing is easy as fuck though, just remember things and dont get tired, both og which are solved with practice.
Ill second cooking, its one of my favourite things to do. Just throw something delicious together with complete autonomy and freedom, 10/10
Cycling is also one of my favourite hobbies. Not so much going fast thanks to my strength but thanks to my skills. Choosing the best trajectory over a bumpy section of road, not crashing on the limit of understeer on some ice or snow, effortlessly maintaining control over gravel and so on. Mountain biking sounds like my jam but there are no hills in my country.
Track cycling does sound pretty fun though, I think Im pretty good at sprinting from a standstill
Improvisational dancing is also something im absolutely awful at, my ability for that is literally 0, it is impossible. Its like riding a bike when youre tired. In that situation I want to go faster but I hit the physical limit of not being an efficient machine. The neural signal is there to push down on the pedal but nothing happens, its the same with dancing but I just have no idea what to do next and I cant plan anything in advance either.
Routine based dancing is easy as fuck though, just remember things and dont get tired, both og which are solved with practice.
Ill second cooking, its one of my favourite things to do. Just throw something delicious together with complete autonomy and freedom, 10/10
Cycling is also one of my favourite hobbies. Not so much going fast thanks to my strength but thanks to my skills. Choosing the best trajectory over a bumpy section of road, not crashing on the limit of understeer on some ice or snow, effortlessly maintaining control over gravel and so on. Mountain biking sounds like my jam but there are no hills in my country.
Track cycling does sound pretty fun though, I think Im pretty good at sprinting from a standstill
Inferior (Se) - does not mean ''never enjoys + cannot be good at sport(s)'' - it just means we generally lack interest; or require more practice, perhap(s) - like individual(s) horrid at mathematics need tutors.
To say an INTJ can never play basketball + dance is just as absurd as saying an ESTP // ESFP cannot be a physics major. I got this same nonsense when individual(s) (via) BS-stereotypical nonsense asserted ''INTJ'' cannot like fashion.
Why not .. (?) What. Some of these fact-free assertion(s) are merely speculative gibberish - or basic human thing(s); that most; if any, healthy humans require.
Ex; (1) -->
''INTP never shower,'' or are ''less inclined to like soap,'' ...
Athletes are not ''innately'' talented + gifted - that is nonsense. Athletics requires practice; like all other thing(s). Individual(s) with dominant (Se) - are not ''innately'' athletic - it is just a preference toward(s) (Se) related activities - even not; someone with a dominant (Se) could be a lazy individual that binges on Twinkies (&) compulsively masturbates to the point of addiction (&) never run a day in their lives.
This is why restrictive fallacies (via) ''INTJ / INTP are born to love science,'' is more absurd + harmful than not - rather than art. Nothing ''comes to anyone'', all things take practice + hardwork.
If it is too easy; strive for something harder - this downplays the actual significance // work behind (Se)-dom athletes.
To say an INTJ can never play basketball + dance is just as absurd as saying an ESTP // ESFP cannot be a physics major. I got this same nonsense when individual(s) (via) BS-stereotypical nonsense asserted ''INTJ'' cannot like fashion.
Why not .. (?) What. Some of these fact-free assertion(s) are merely speculative gibberish - or basic human thing(s); that most; if any, healthy humans require.
Ex; (1) -->
''INTP never shower,'' or are ''less inclined to like soap,'' ...
Athletes are not ''innately'' talented + gifted - that is nonsense. Athletics requires practice; like all other thing(s). Individual(s) with dominant (Se) - are not ''innately'' athletic - it is just a preference toward(s) (Se) related activities - even not; someone with a dominant (Se) could be a lazy individual that binges on Twinkies (&) compulsively masturbates to the point of addiction (&) never run a day in their lives.
This is why restrictive fallacies (via) ''INTJ / INTP are born to love science,'' is more absurd + harmful than not - rather than art. Nothing ''comes to anyone'', all things take practice + hardwork.
If it is too easy; strive for something harder - this downplays the actual significance // work behind (Se)-dom athletes.
Most physical things are a bit unnatural for me at first. I've done dance before (idk what possessed me to do that), and starting out my movements were very mechanical and clunky, where everyone else was very fluid in their movements. After a while, I became much more natural and fluid once my body adjusted. On the athletic side of things, my hand-eye coordination is very rough until I begin using it. Most of the males in my family are involved in sports, so that meant that I was dragged into things like helping them practice for baseball, volleyball, etc. Starting out, I couldn't catch a ball or hit one, but after a while, I was just as good as they were.
I've recently become hooked on yoga, and I prefer that to going to the gym. I also enjoy jogging and bike riding when the weather allows.
I've recently become hooked on yoga, and I prefer that to going to the gym. I also enjoy jogging and bike riding when the weather allows.
I can relate, I like dancing and if I practice many times and find my own strategies, I can somewhat get the hang of it. When no one is concerned with how good or bad I am and how precise it is I can have a good time. I am far from good and have always been a klutz and am rarely in the moment. If there is a precise dance movie, I usually get at least one part of it wrong and I'm not 100% aware until someone else points it out to me.
I've never been very good at sports and avoid them at all costs. I slow the rest of the team down. Gym class was the subject I never liked and even keeping up with professional sports does not interest me at all but different strokes. If I know the rules, I can somewhat get it but I will never ever be professional level. I do kind of like hiking, getting lost in though while doing so as well as noncompetetive swimming.
I've never been very good at sports and avoid them at all costs. I slow the rest of the team down. Gym class was the subject I never liked and even keeping up with professional sports does not interest me at all but different strokes. If I know the rules, I can somewhat get it but I will never ever be professional level. I do kind of like hiking, getting lost in though while doing so as well as noncompetetive swimming.
This question depends a lot on your multiple intelligence levels, regarding kinesthetic intelligence and spatial intelligence. I know one other INTJ which is totally terrible on that area - she is not even able to touch her nose with eyes open - and I, on the other hand am quite good at these fields.
Team sports are difficult because every team has a social component too, and that is obviously a problem. Te+Se is quite an interesting combination, because crafting all these thing you have thought of is quite satisfying and I really need that as a contrast to the brainy things I do most of the time. But how strong your 4th function really is is different for every person, same with INTPs - some have a lot of Fe, some a lot less.
Most INTJs seem to converge to sports which you can do alone, like cycling. Rock climbing is a nice example of the INTJ dynamic: On one side, I could not connect to a partner which shared my approach, which is so much INTJ. On the other side the Se part enjoyed it a lot, while the Ni/Te loosing their nerves because of the risks involved, while on the same time produces a longing whenever I see pictures of the Dolomites ...
Team sports are difficult because every team has a social component too, and that is obviously a problem. Te+Se is quite an interesting combination, because crafting all these thing you have thought of is quite satisfying and I really need that as a contrast to the brainy things I do most of the time. But how strong your 4th function really is is different for every person, same with INTPs - some have a lot of Fe, some a lot less.
Most INTJs seem to converge to sports which you can do alone, like cycling. Rock climbing is a nice example of the INTJ dynamic: On one side, I could not connect to a partner which shared my approach, which is so much INTJ. On the other side the Se part enjoyed it a lot, while the Ni/Te loosing their nerves because of the risks involved, while on the same time produces a longing whenever I see pictures of the Dolomites ...
This is a bit of a zombie thread, but I think it's an interesting topic.
I grew up on horses, and while I had to work at it and take lessons, it was something that came fairly easily to me and I was a pretty decent rider and eventually trained horses as well. I always did better with the more "sensitive" horses than the plod-types as my calm demeanor and light touch worked well.
Eventually I started riding motorcycles, and that very quickly became my passion. Talk about a Se activity though - you are living life completely in the moment with thoughts only a few moments in the future other than maybe planning a pass on LOL. Small mistakes can have big consequences. This is NOT a sport that came to me naturally, however, as every little thing I've learned, every second I've gained has been through much struggle, study, tears, mistakes, blood, money, money, money lol.
What I do know is that riding (street or track) is my stress release and gets me out of my own mulling mind and forces me to be in the moment. This seems to provide a fair bit of clarity for me quite often as it allows my Ni to process through things without my conscious thoughts getting in the way. I come out feeling more in control of life, and my mood remains stable. It's pretty much a need for me at this point as other activities (outside of maybe horses) simply don't have that same effect.
It also has the effect of making me realize and engage in life NOW, not life in my head. There's something very freeing about that....
I enjoy the competition (horses and now bikes), I'm one of those people who isn't going to watch a sport unless I'm actively participating in it, and even then, I'd rather do than watch. Never really got into team sports though, as I much prefer my progress (or lack thereof) to be mine and mine alone. I want to compete, and yes, I want to win, but I'm relatively patient and can take my time getting there.
I grew up on horses, and while I had to work at it and take lessons, it was something that came fairly easily to me and I was a pretty decent rider and eventually trained horses as well. I always did better with the more "sensitive" horses than the plod-types as my calm demeanor and light touch worked well.
Eventually I started riding motorcycles, and that very quickly became my passion. Talk about a Se activity though - you are living life completely in the moment with thoughts only a few moments in the future other than maybe planning a pass on LOL. Small mistakes can have big consequences. This is NOT a sport that came to me naturally, however, as every little thing I've learned, every second I've gained has been through much struggle, study, tears, mistakes, blood, money, money, money lol.
What I do know is that riding (street or track) is my stress release and gets me out of my own mulling mind and forces me to be in the moment. This seems to provide a fair bit of clarity for me quite often as it allows my Ni to process through things without my conscious thoughts getting in the way. I come out feeling more in control of life, and my mood remains stable. It's pretty much a need for me at this point as other activities (outside of maybe horses) simply don't have that same effect.
It also has the effect of making me realize and engage in life NOW, not life in my head. There's something very freeing about that....
I enjoy the competition (horses and now bikes), I'm one of those people who isn't going to watch a sport unless I'm actively participating in it, and even then, I'd rather do than watch. Never really got into team sports though, as I much prefer my progress (or lack thereof) to be mine and mine alone. I want to compete, and yes, I want to win, but I'm relatively patient and can take my time getting there.
Both. For me, it was the Jidokwan style of Taekwondo. Once I earned my first-degree Black Belt (at the age of 13), I became an assistant instructor (which comes with the territory of that rank).
Like this?
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As for me, through most of my life I had little interest in those things, but recently I've been learning inline skating and I am just doing fine neither showing exceptional talent for such things nor being in any way impaired. Doing such things works perfectly fine for me at casual, leisure level. Trouble could show up if I tried to push such things to the limits and try for professional, competitive activities, but that's just not my thing.
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