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INFPs & relationship dynamics with other types

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#1 ·
So in Socionics there are type relationships dynamics.
I'd thought I'd put together one for INFPs & other types based on my experience &/or my observation of other INFPs dealings with other types. It's pretty rough, but a place to start.

The basic idea here is to define the dynamic according to who holds the "power" in the relationship. Power is not always positive; it just means the person who has less invested, but often more to gain. Power can be maintained passively, without any intent to hold it, but simply to hold it due to the other person investing more, or power can be maintained by some effort. The party not in power does have just as much power to end the relationship; power means who influences how it plays out most.

The most beneficial relationships are those which promote growth via a "power struggle" or those which are power-balanced. The relationships where one has the upper hand often results in some dissatisfaction. There are exceptions to every rule of course.

INFPs & NJs

ENTJ + INFP - Power struggle; tension can become romantic if individuals are mature & can use tension to promote growth.

INTJ + INFP - INFP has upper hand. INTJ is vulnerable to the INFP's relative indifference, shown by inconsistent response & maintaining of distance. INFP is passive/inconsistent in encouraging the INTJ & invests less, which gives INFPs the power. Relationship can be positive if INFP is motivated to invest equally, often through the INTJ maintaining some space.

ENFJ + INFP - ENFJ has upper hand. INFP is vulnerable to the ENFJ's relative indifference. ENFJ is mildly assertive as far as luring the INFP, by seeming to meet the INFP investment at first, but becomes passive, investing less & less over time, giving ENFJs the power. Relationship can be positive if INFP doesn't invest too much too fast, which keeps ENFJ investment equal & steady, creating balance.

INFJ + INFP - Mutual power share. Relationship often has a buddy-buddy feel, but can be a comfortable romantic pair. INFP's passive distance-maintaing & INFJs subtle, yet steady pursuing balances the power. This can turn sour if one side becomes unbalanced, but instead of giving one power, the relationship tends to just fizzle out.


INFPs & NPs

ENTP & INFP - ENTP has the upper hand. ENTP agitates INFP more than INFP affects ENTP, so INFP has less power, but neither finds the situation desirable if healthy. Unhealthy INFPs may seek this masochistic position & unhealthy ENTPs may seek to take advantage of the INFP. ENTP is antagonistic in order to maintain power.

INTP & INFP - Power struggle. Tension starts off as subtle & stimulating, then disintegrates into agitation on both sides. Disintegration can be avoided if both are very mature/emotionally healthy.

ENFP + INFP - INFP has the upper hand. Both benefit from the relationship & it's often successful for friendship, but the INFP is more consistent in maintaining distance than the ENFP is in pursuing. ENFP is left wanting more than INFP will give. INFP is less interested in reaching a solution, staying passive, but giving the INFP more power.

INFP + INFP - Mutual power share. Relationship often has a buddy-buddy feel, but can be a comfortable romantic pair. Neither threaten the other, but the pairing also doesn't promote much growth. Mutual distance-maintaining balances power, but often makes the relationship stagnant.

INFPs & SPs

ESTP & INFP - ESTP has the upper hand. ESTP influences INFP more than INFP influences ESTP, so the ESTP has less power. ESTP benefits more, using influence for their own gain. Unhealthy INFP may let their values be trampled here, and an unhealthy ESTP will take advantage of it. ESTP is manipulative to maintain power.

ISTP & INFP - Power struggle. Both seek to maintain autonomy & distance & assert superiority, which ends up in a stalemate when seeking to connect. Neither makes concession first. Relationship can become romantic if both begin to concede a bit to the other, but it is rare, as it will have to be even or the one conceding will resent it & then back out anyway.

ESFP + INFP - Mutual Power share. Relationship often has a buddy-buddy feel, but can be a comfortable romantic pair. Neither threaten the other, but the pairing also doesn't promote much growth. Mutual pursuing, but little stimulation where each craves it. Relationship often becomes stagnant.

ISFP + INFP - INFP has upper hand. Relationship appears mutual, but INFP often becomes antagonistic when relationship begins to feel stagnant, which happens quickly. INFP discontent & ISFP complacency gives the INFP the power. INFP is aggressive in asserting power & ending/pushing the relationship.

INFPs & SJs

ESTJs & INFPs - Power struggle. Tension can become romantic or seem that way at first, but ESTJ can become critical/controlling in an effort to seek the upper hand & INFP can become rebellious in response or in the same effort, turning the struggle into overt conflict. Conflict can be avoided & growth can occur if both are very mature/healthy.

ISTJs & INFPs - Mutual power share. Relationship either has a buddy-buddy feel or mutual indifference; can be a comfortable romantic pair. They either don't threaten the other or threaten equally & prefer to maintain distance. Healthy/mature types may be able to grow from the relationship equally or it will be a stagnant, shallow match both will seek to escape.

ISFJs + INFPs - INFP has upper hand. INFP maintains distance & puts less effort in & ISFJ bends to meet INFP needs. INFPs is oblivious to ISFJ needs. INFP mostly maintains power passively this way, but occasionally becomes aggressive in criticizing ISFJ to encourage more effort from them.

ESFJs + INFPs - ESFJ has upper hand. ESFJ usually rejects INFP from the get-go, but if a relationship does develop, then its on the ESFJs terms. Healthy INFP usually avoids this relationship & it stays a casual friendship at most. Occasionally, INFP can passively gain power if the INFP avoids the relationship, but the ESFJ is trying to establish terms.

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Anyway, thoughts & personal experiences welcome!
 
#2 ·
Oh noes! This post is making me re-evaluate all of my relationships!

These ones are top 3 for me:

1. INFP + INTJ
2. INFP + ENFP
3. INFP + INFP

Out of left field:

4. INFP + ISTJ - I only include this because my uncle (INFP) and aunt (ISTJ) are a really great couple. I don't know how they manage to make it work, but I suspect my uncle is just super passive and submits to everything, as well my aunt being a stable/healthy ISTJ. I am highly envious of their relationship.
 
#3 ·
"Relationship can be positive if INFP doesn't invest too much too fast, which keeps ENFJ investment equal & steady, creating balance."

@OrangeAppled This may very well be the biggest lesson of my life.
 
#4 ·
Ooh yeah, I should clarify that this is mainly for romantic relationships, as I think the dynamics change a bit in platonic relationships, or balance of power is not such an issue.
 
#7 ·
INFP + INFP - Mutual power share. Relationship often has a buddy-buddy feel, but can be a comfortable romantic pair. Neither threaten the other, but the pairing also doesn't promote much growth. Mutual distance-maintaining balances power, but often makes the relationship stagnant.
I was in an INFP+INFP relationship for most of my life and I totally agree with this. It was very comfortable most of the time but after years it felt more like a "best friends" kind of friendship to me than a romantic relationship. And there was very little growth. It was comfortable because we were both introverts and happy to hang out at home together. Yet we both loved to take spontaneous adventures. So we'd be sitting at home staring at each other and say "Let's go to Vegas!". Done, no questions asked, we grabbed our toothbrushes and went. That was my favorite part of the relationship, so many little adventures like that. Cons - we both are strong Ps....neither one of us is overly organized. So I ended up having to take on the roll of making sure bills got paid, money was managed, etc. Which I hated, it stressed me out. And the emotions.....my gawd...out of control. We're also both strong Fs so arguments got out of control and just went in circles. No problem solving going on at all......it became very mentally tiring over the years. Somebody needed to take the reigns and set feelings aside but that never happened.

There are many other factors involved that led to the eventual end of the relationship but they don't have anything to do with personality types. I'm not sure I'd ever go into another INFP+INFP relationship again only because I'm at a point in my life where I really need to grow and push myself. And I'm finding that in personality types more opposite from my own. But I absolutely love INFPs and it was a beautiful friendship (still is when it's not an emotional trainwreck) and a comfortable, mellow relationship most of the time.
 
#9 ·
Making an attempt at ISTJ+INFP... I'll respond here as I get a better idea of the longer-term dynamics. As it is now, we've got a nice bit of balance going on and it's quite nice. Neither one of us seems to be more in control and we have enough common interests that we at least won't run out of things to do or topics to discuss (sci-fi/fantasy geeking out is great fun!)
 
#10 ·
I'm exploring this dynamic a little bit myself... It's a beautiful friendship, we share many of the same values and interests... Where the whole thing is going is still up in the air but I'm curious to see how it works out for you. I get the feeling this pairing can learn much from each other and fill in many of the gaps. It's certainly that way in the friendship...I feel like I can take on the world when I'm around him. And it's so comfortable...yet challenging enough to be interesting. Keep us posted. :happy:
 
#12 ·
....ISFJs + INFPs - INFP has upper hand. INFP maintains distance & puts less effort in & ISFJ bends to meet INFP needs. INFPs is oblivious to ISFJ needs. INFP mostly maintains power passively this way, but occasionally becomes aggressive in criticizing ISFJ to encourage more effort from them...

Anyway, thoughts & personal experiences welcome!
Personal experience with ISFJ husband. I just asked him "Am I oblivious to your needs?" He answered "No, I don't think so."

Power in our relationship - I have said this before about two years ago here @ PerCafe: "I wear the pants in my home, until husband tells me it's time to take them off". Interpretation is, I may look like I'm running the show, but he holds the true power. He walks softly, but carries a big stick. When he puts his foot down, it's really down.
 
#15 ·
ENTJ + INFP - Power struggle; tension can become romantic if individuals are mature & can use tension to promote growth.

It's true. So true. Struggle starts right when the first romantic heat starts to fade. And if one or both are somewhat immature, it turns sour. As friendship it's interesting if you keep the right distance.
 
#18 ·
INFPs & NJs

ENFJ + INFP - ENFJ has upper hand. INFP is vulnerable to the ENFJ's relative indifference. ENFJ is mildly assertive as far as luring the INFP, by seeming to meet the INFP investment at first, but becomes passive, investing less & less over time, giving ENFJs the power. Relationship can be positive if INFP doesn't invest too much too fast, which keeps ENFJ investment equal & steady, creating balance.

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Anyway, thoughts & personal experiences welcome!
Firstly, thank you orangeappled for this post! =) It is really insightful and the depth of your analysis shows!!! Wow! :D

I haven't been in a relationship with an INFP before, hence what you have to say is really intriguing! As an ENFJ, I'm just wondering how INFPs, who are generally the more laid-back personality, do not have the "power"?? This is actually quite counter-intuitive to believe.. even as I'm courting an INFP woman now. Hence, may i ask for clarification? :)
 
#19 ·
From my experience, to the INFP, the ENFJ appears to give a lot (by give, I mean put in active effort), which makes the INFP give more than normal (which may not seem like a lot to you, an ENFJ), but the ENFJ was actually giving what is simply customary for them in any relationship (thus not distinguishing this relationship as romantic). This throws the power to the ENFJ, who is the one who has the power to define the relationship as platonic or romantic.

I wouldn't be surprised if from the ENFJ perspective that it appears as if the INFP holds power though. Like, they're waiting for the INFP to make a clear demonstration of feeling, but in the INFP's mind, they have put in way more effort than normal. Then the INFP realizes the ENFJ's effort is what they put in with everyone, so the INFP feels an imbalance of feeling, with more feeling on their side, and therefore less power. I still think the power to create a balanced dynamic is with the ENFJ though.....because despite perspectives, they still will put in less with more results (the INFP giving more than typical).
 
#21 ·
My relationship is ESTJ+ INFP and the first post in this thread was right. He gets critical or a bit controlling and i get rebellious. thats actually a major problem right now too. :/
 
#22 ·
After reading this thread as well as other similar threads, INFPs can match both perfectly, horribly, or somewhere between, with anyone, including other INFPs. For me, I like the descriptions of INFJs the best, but the 4 letter personality I believe only makes up about 30% of the person at most. Other factors include age, maturity level, family background, parental relationships, socioeconomic status, religion, earlier traumas, etc. My parents are both __TJs. I don't want anything to do with other TJs except business or platonic relationships. Socionics say MBTI's ESTJs are supposed to be my duel, and duel relationships are #1. Maybe for some other INFPs, but not for me. I appear to be very awkward and too ideal around them, and they appear to be very loud, fat, and domineering around me. They're everywhere in my life - work, relatives, grandma, friends of friends, classmates & group project partners, church. Then again, given my nature of being 100% N, maybe that explains why I don't get along with SJs in general.

Socionics say that INFPs & INFJs are one of the most incompatible. A girl I dated in the past is INFJ and she was the best I ever had.
 
#23 ·
INTJ + INFP - INFP has upper hand. INTJ is vulnerable to the INFP's relative indifference, shown by inconsistent response & maintaining of distance. INFP is passive/inconsistent in encouraging the INTJ & invests less, which gives INFPs the power. Relationship can be positive if INFP is motivated to invest equally, often through the INTJ maintaining some space.
ISFP + INFP - INFP has upper hand. Relationship appears mutual, but INFP often becomes antagonistic when relationship begins to feel stagnant, which happens quickly. INFP discontent & ISFP complacency gives the INFP the power. INFP is aggressive in asserting power & ending/pushing the relationship.
INTP & INFP - Power struggle. Tension starts off as subtle & stimulating, then disintegrates into agitation on both sides. Disintegration can be avoided if both are very mature/emotionally healthy.
ENFP + INFP - INFP has the upper hand. Both benefit from the relationship & it's often successful for friendship, but the INFP is more consistent in maintaining distance than the ENFP is in pursuing. ENFP is left wanting more than INFP will give. INFP is less interested in reaching a solution, staying passive, but giving the INFP more power

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#26 ·
INFJ + INFP

My wife is INFJ. She's the organized, task oriented, no nonsense personality in our relationship. If there's a problem with a rude employee or person, she'll be the one who unleashes the verbal barrage. I'm more laid back, open-minded, unorganized, and I often think deep into things.

We have our issues like every couple does but overall, it works out. I'm prone to forget things and she's by the book about schedules and keeping things clean. That would be where we differ the most.
 
#27 ·
I am an INFP in a serious long term relationship with an ISTP. We are struggling, like your post says, but he has also became really negative mentally toward myself and the kids and toward everyone else for that matter. I don't think he'll ever get out of this funk, and I don't think we'll ever get out of this struggle between us either; I have been very positive, but now, I am trying to be real. As for my past relationships I was treated very badly by ESFPs whom had many problems, and I was very young and immature when I was with an ISFP who was wonderful. I had foolish expectations when the relationship appeared to have become stagnant and then tragedy swept on top of it (of which I blamed myself for). Then I avoided another ISFP for fear of a repeat of similar magnitude, and I may have had another chance with that previous ISFP also, but I was so scared and doubtful. I fear your above description of INFP/ISFP relationships may be accurate, but I hope if we can not salvage our INFP/ISTP relationship that someday I will embark on an INFP/ISFP one that will work. I have this hope because I have been the happiest in the company of that ISFP and may have been just as happy with the other ISFP if I had let a relationship blossom between us. Part of why I avoided him was fear I'd get very close with him, be an idiot again with my expectations, and he'd painfully end a deep relationship as the other ISFP did . Yikes! What a confessional! Sorry.
 
#28 ·
You notice my little theory suggests that any pairing may work out with healthy individuals. I think theory can be useful in figuring out how to navigate a dynamic for more positive results (ie. not pushing the wrong buttons), but working on having a healthier mentality, choosing more productive behaviors, and communicating in a clearer, more effective manner is more likely to help you out.
 
#29 ·
INTJ + INFP: INFP has upper hand. INTJ is vulnerable to the INFP
It's true! We're puddy in your hands. Just be sure to be gentle with us. We're very sensitive.
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#30 ·
INFP + INFP: never, everevereverever

INFP + ENTP: This sounds explosive.

INFP + ISTJ: Very true description. Although, from personal experience it's a bit more rocky as a platonic relationship.

INFP + ISFP: Ok, I know it's practically a twin pairing, but for me it's best-friend-romance-heaven. Not quite as much of a power struggle as it's varying degrees of intensity. Nor do I feel dominant... Okay maybe a little, in some areas...:tongue:

INFP + ESFJ: Fun friendship at first, lots of laughs. It became emotionally/mentally draining over time. :confused:
 
#31 ·
INFPs & NPs

ENTP & INFP - ENTP has the upper hand. ENTP agitates INFP more than INFP affects ENTP, so INFP has less power, but neither finds the situation desirable if healthy. Unhealthy INFPs may seek this masochistic position & unhealthy ENTPs may seek to take advantage of the INFP. ENTP is antagonistic in order to maintain power.

Having some time to trial things out, I once again found this thread again. I just wanted to add some input regarding this table and how it adds up. I should mention that my enneagram type has a profound effect on my need for autonomy, it can also be an Fi dom thing but the autonomy is so important in terms of being able to survive - a 6 sentiment. So I try to aim for democratic relationship styles as much as I can. I find in my relationship, where my partner has the upper hand, I have the upper hand in other aspects. We compliment each others weaknesses. Im not afraid to state his inconsistencies and he appreciates that, he is very adaptable, willing to compromise which is a blessing in disguise in how my values are more firm and consistent. He's said before though that he hasn't agreed with everything I say until I have explained the process behind it, he appreciates that and it usually makes more sense to him thereafter. He's very practical even though I have the conscious Te, he gets me moving, is very supportive, 'take one for the team kind of thing'. And my organisational strengths help a great deal as he is really scatty :p
But yeah, I just thought id add into the power role context that it's more balanced than that, there's no extreme, we are both domineering in different areas and being a 6, it's unlikely I will head into a situation I'm not feeling completely confident about. There's more to add but maybe another time and this paragraph is really just to see how it fits and share feedback than be a grand post for a large audience. It would be interesting to get more responses to see how the table pans out for other dynamics.
 
#33 ·
I don't see my intp-infp relationship as a power struggle. Communication struggle is real. Both wish to accomdate the other while being true to themselves. Both seek to please partner. Both do not like to agree to things they do not think are true, infp wishes others to see what they think is morally important/true, intps wht they think is factually true/may not be moved to same moral outrage, which angers infp, intp won't agree to something they don't think. The point of difference in my experience is not to do with power but both having certain things they need respected/agreement with. If those can align neither type has much interest in power.