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Ni vs Si test?

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#1 ·
The definitions for these two functions keep changing...whenever I read them on different websites.
I was wondering if anyone had a quiz of Ni vs Si that they could post here and I could answer? (Like the Si-Se one I got from Kitty23).
 
#2 ·
While I don't have a test to give you, there are a few points that can be helpful in distinguishing these two.

In Jung's work, intuition is abstract perception and sensation is concrete perception. The essential difference between these two is that intuition always goes beyond the details of experience and perceives abstractions derived from experience (patterns, connection, possibilities, all of that stuff usually attributed to intuition), and sensation focuses on drinking in the experience and absorbing every minute detail.

The terms abstract and concrete can be a bit misleading with respect to introverted sensation, though, because concrete implies 'realness' or earthiness, and while Si-preferring types are indeed earthy, the nature of this function is such that their focus is on the concrete perceptions of the inner experience. Jung spend more than a few words describing the introverted sensate's focus on bodily experience, but their realm of perception extends beyond their physical form; any sort of inner event (bodily or otherwise) is subject to Si's perceptions. If a person becomes suddenly sullen, the ISxJ will find themselves arrested by the mood, attempting to absorb as much of it as possible. Compare this to the INxJ, whose focus is much less on the mood itself than it is diving the impetus of the mood or the possible actions they might take as a result of the mood. This of course doesn't mean that INxJs won't wallow in their moods and ISxJs won't try to figure out what's wrong with them, but that in general, all other things being equal, this is the general frame of thought that each type holds.

Based on all of this, the best way to define Ni and Si (if we are aiming to be close to Jung, that is), would be "abstract perception via the inner world" for Ni (which echoes Jung's definition of 'perception via the unconscious') and "concrete perception via the inner world" for Si. One common misconception about the introverted irrational functions is that their sole focus is on perceiving the inner world, and, while this is not untrue, it does forget that the orientation of a function does not limit its machination solely to that world, but instead provides the frame of reference through which the function processes information. For example, introverted thinking is introverted, but it is entirely capable of evaluating the external reality. The difference between Ti and, say, Te, then, is not what it evaluates (inner/outer reality), but from where its standard of evaluation comes. The same is true for the perceiving functions. Ni and Si are not limited solely to perception of the inner reality, but their perceptions will always be referred back to the inner world, so as to further the introverted goal of venturing deeper into the psyche. The concept of impressions is a good illustration of this dynamic: the Pi functions perceive the impact external reality has on the psyche, what the outer world releases in the subject. Of course, like any introverted function, their preference will always be to stay within the inner reality (since interacting with the outer reality takes some elbow grease).

If these functions perceive by the inner world, that begs the question of what that means. Jung spent a great deal of lip on the introverted functions' relationship to the images of the collective unconscious (hence the 'perception via the unconscious' from earlier). The most prevalent example of this relationship is with Ni; much of its perception are located around these primordial images and the abstract perception thereof (if you can image abstraction abstractions further)--it perceives the possibilities and patterns within the unconscious, which is where Ni gets its propensity for symbolism and metaphor. It is my estimation that Si's relationship to the unconscious is a little less distinctive; these images are by nature elusive and difficult to grasp, which goes against Si's focus on the concrete aspects of inner experience. While I'm sure there is a relationship, I imagine that ISxJs are only tangentially aware of it (as an Ni-dom I can attest to the fact that even I am only somewhat aware of Ni's unconscious machinations).

Any sort of attempt to define the cognitive processes is somewhat futile. We might apprehend some aspects of their nature, but they are a lot larger than mere processes that can be reduced to x + y = z. The functions are frames of mind, fields of consciousness, whatever you want to call it. They are best defined by their limits, thus any definition can only be partial. Of course, if the definitions of the functions were even slightly clear, I doubt we'd still be discussing it today. The human psyche is a complicated thing, and this is only one tool in understanding it. I hope this has helped you out.
 
#3 ·
While I don't have a test to give you, there are a few points that can be helpful in distinguishing these two.

In Jung's work, intuition is abstract perception and sensation is concrete perception. The essential difference between these two is that intuition always goes beyond the details of experience and perceives abstractions derived from experience (patterns, connection, possibilities, all of that stuff usually attributed to intuition), and sensation focuses on drinking in the experience and absorbing every minute detail.

That's the problem, it depends on my mood - I do both quite often.


The terms abstract and concrete can be a bit misleading with respect to introverted sensation, though, because concrete implies 'realness' or earthiness, and while Si-preferring types are indeed earthy, the nature of this function is such that their focus is on the concrete perceptions of the inner experience. Jung spend more than a few words describing the introverted sensate's focus on bodily experience, but their realm of perception extends beyond their physical form; any sort of inner event (bodily or otherwise) is subject to Si's perceptions. If a person becomes suddenly sullen, the ISxJ will find themselves arrested by the mood, attempting to absorb as much of it as possible. Compare this to the INxJ, whose focus is much less on the mood itself than it is diving the impetus of the mood or the possible actions they might take as a result of the mood. This of course doesn't mean that INxJs won't wallow in their moods and ISxJs won't try to figure out what's wrong with them, but that in general, all other things being equal, this is the general frame of thought that each type holds.


Based on all of this, the best way to define Ni and Si (if we are aiming to be close to Jung, that is), would be "abstract perception via the inner world" for Ni (which echoes Jung's definition of 'perception via the unconscious') and "concrete perception via the inner world" for Si. One common misconception about the introverted irrational functions is that their sole focus is on perceiving the inner world, and, while this is not untrue, it does forget that the orientation of a function does not limit its machination solely to that world, but instead provides the frame of reference through which the function processes information. For example, introverted thinking is introverted, but it is entirely capable of evaluating the external reality. The difference between Ti and, say, Te, then, is not what it evaluates (inner/outer reality), but from where its standard of evaluation comes. The same is true for the perceiving functions. Ni and Si are not limited solely to perception of the inner reality, but their perceptions will always be referred back to the inner world, so as to further the introverted goal of venturing deeper into the psyche. The concept of impressions is a good illustration of this dynamic: the Pi functions perceive the impact external reality has on the psyche, what the outer world releases in the subject. Of course, like any introverted function, their preference will always be to stay within the inner reality (since interacting with the outer reality takes some elbow grease).


If these functions perceive by the inner world, that begs the question of what that means. Jung spent a great deal of lip on the introverted functions' relationship to the images of the collective unconscious (hence the 'perception via the unconscious' from earlier). The most prevalent example of this relationship is with Ni; much of its perception are located around these primordial images and the abstract perception thereof (if you can image abstraction abstractions further)--it perceives the possibilities and patterns within the unconscious, which is where Ni gets its propensity for symbolism and metaphor. It is my estimation that Si's relationship to the unconscious is a little less distinctive; these images are by nature elusive and difficult to grasp, which goes against Si's focus on the concrete aspects of inner experience. While I'm sure there is a relationship, I imagine that ISxJs are only tangentially aware of it (as an Ni-dom I can attest to the fact that even I am only somewhat aware of Ni's unconscious machinations).

I do have unconscious 'knowings' sometimes - I often 'just know' something's going to happen.

The case for Si:
I have a very sharp fact-based memory. Like, I still remember everyone's birthday from a group that we used to be active in, that knowledge doesn't even do me any good but I still feel like the facts are 'stuck in there'.

The case for Ni:
I do often know what will happen next just from the mood portrayed 'between the lines'. I also hear that Ni-Users are always 'trying to improve - even at the cost of security and tradition', which perfectly describes me. I believe concepts of respect and tradition are subjective and even dumb, sometimes.



Any sort of attempt to define the cognitive processes is somewhat futile. We might apprehend some aspects of their nature, but they are a lot larger than mere processes that can be reduced to x + y = z. The functions are frames of mind, fields of consciousness, whatever you want to call it. They are best defined by their limits, thus any definition can only be partial. Of course, if the definitions of the functions were even slightly clear, I doubt we'd still be discussing it today. The human psyche is a complicated thing, and this is only one tool in understanding it. I hope this has helped you out.

Agreed. Too many people take Jung's theory as gospel. It's possible for someone to be both a strong Te AND Fe user (not me, but I've seen MANY people who are).
above I put in bold my comments

thanks for taking time to help
 
#13 ·
Gosh, I should create a test for that too! Anyways, so far this is what I have for difference between the two. Hope it helps :)

Si
• Focuses on their subjective experience of events (what happened, but also how it impacted them). Subjective experiences is pretty much the essence of Si
• Decides what is realistic based on what things have been possible/have worked in the past
• Desires stability, reliability, preservation of simple joys in their life, and maintaining a connection to times that have made them happy
• Appreciates being told that they are trustworthy, down-to-earth, reliable, responsible, and conscientious
• Conflict with lots of unnecessary change, fickleness, abandoning methods that work well
• May be criticized for being conservative, uptight, too set in their ways

Ni
• Focuses on the underlying meaning or potential of a situation, look to understand the “thematic essence”
• May not have a good sense of what is realistic, create a singular vision based on what they think will happen or what they hope will happen and work towards this
• Desires meaning, understanding, striving towards their idealistic vision, and cultivating hidden potential, intention
• Is motivated by intangible gut feelings, achieving a vague vision of potential
• Appreciates being told that they are profound, understanding, deeply complex, meaningful, seeks understanding
• Conflict with superficiality, shallowness, mindless hedonism, reckless spontaneity
• May be criticized for being overly abstract, unrealistic, over analytical
 
#25 ·
Gosh, I should create a test for that too! Anyways, so far this is what I have for difference between the two. Hope it helps :)
Lists <3

Si
• Focuses on their subjective experience of events (what happened, but also how it impacted them). Subjective experiences is pretty much the essence of Si
I relate to this 100%. "How it impacted them", like you wrote, captures it well.

• Decides what is realistic based on what things have been possible/have worked in the past
Yes, I do this. To me, considering the past when deciding on something (or just focusing on the past in any way) has such a negative "ring" to it and I keep denying that I do this, but I can't deny that I do trust things that have worked before. That doesn't mean I'll always do everything in a way that worked, but I still trust it to work. A lot of the time I go out of my way to do things in new ways because I hate getting stuck in a rut. And yeah, now I talked more about deciding what works, not really about what's realistic. When it comes to determining if something is realistic or not, I tend to be very pessimistic, though. I wouldn't say I consider past happenings too much when it comes to this, though. Or maybe I do? Unsure.

• Desires stability,
Wouldn't say so.

reliability,
Yes.

preservation of simple joys in their life,
Don't know.

and maintaining a connection to times that have made them happy
Not that much, to be honest, but like I said, I do like nostalgia. Yeah, okay, I do like to remember happy times. But it's not a "priority" to me, I'd say.

• Appreciates being told that they are trustworthy, down-to-earth, reliable, responsible, and conscientious
The trust-worthy one is really important to me, the other ones I could to without.

• Conflict with lots of unnecessary change, fickleness, abandoning methods that work well
I like changing things up and challenging myself (except challenges that involve a lot of hard work, heh) but I don't like it if I can't go back to some old way if I'm changing something. Something can change all it wants and I don't mind, but I don't like permanent changes with no going back.

• May be criticized for being conservative, uptight, too set in their ways
I'd say this goes for older SJs, but not really younger ones. When older SJs grew up, they didn't have the same access to new things/perspectives that we do today, for example the internet, and the general culture (in "western" countries) was more SJ minded but today new thinking and creativity are seen as better traits and I guess we adapt.

However, I can absolutely say I'd never be taken for an uptight person.

• Desires meaning, understanding, striving towards their idealistic vision, and cultivating hidden potential, intention
I'd say understanding is more Ti, if we're talking about logical understanding, and maybe Fi if we're talking emotional.

• Is motivated by intangible gut feelings, achieving a vague vision of potential
This is the kind of stuff about Ni I don't relate to at all.

• Conflict with superficiality, shallowness,
I'd guess this is more like Fi?
 
#18 · (Edited)
I was with a friend over the holidays, we were having a drink of wine at a local Jazz club. She was wearing a white blouse and before you know it she spilled a drink of red wine all over the front by accident. I was with 2 other women + her. The moment I saw her spill her drink I completey zoned out. I starting thinking about the time I was on a blind date, we were sharing a bottle of red wine, he spilled wine all over his white shirt. I must have been zoned out for at least 5 mints, because I also starting thinking obout our evening activites and how nervous he was, he could hardly speak with me, nevous wreck, ha, and handsome as FUK....anyway I relate my zoning out with Si, now I haven't thought about this in many years, I'm talking about 20 at least. I love my Si, when memories are good they are stellar, when they are bad I can easliy detach myself from that moment and block everything out. I train my mind to use it for the good, good times good memories, good friends and good food :happy:
 
#27 ·
@Vikinq I think you could be an ISTJ. You could be an INTJ too, I guess (I'm not good at spotting Ni) but your relation to Si makes me think ISTJ. Look up things about both of the types and stay away from stereotypical stuff. Try to fully understand both Si and Ni and when you've done that, the only person who really can analyze your cognition is you. Well, I guess outside sources are good as well because of bias and stuff but yeah.
 
#28 ·
Thanks for replying.

My best guess for now is an INTJ with a rare case of developed-Si. This would only be possible because I have an ISFJ dad and an ESxJ mom.
Since I have been homeschooled and with them everyday (pretty much all day), I would have developed Si and been convinced that it was important to develop, since it helped them, they taught me as well.
 
#30 ·
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