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The traits of the Six and those of the Five are in some degree of conflict with each other. The general orientation of Sixes is toward affiliation with others, while the orientation of Fives is toward detachment from people so that they can avoid being influenced by anyone. Sixes and Fives are both looking for safety, but Sixes look to alliances with others and commintment to systems of though for security, while Fives tend to retreat from others and to tinker with, or even dismantle, established systems of thought. Both tendencies exist in the Six with a Five-wing, producing a subtype which sees itself as fighting for the “little person,” while at the same time being drawn to systems, alliances, and beliefs which often contain strong authoritarian elements. Sixes with a Five-wing can seem like Ones because they are serious, self-controlled, and committed to specific moral, ethical, and political beliefs. Like Eights, they can also be rather outspoken and passionate in the expression of their beliefs, with less concern about being liked than the Six with a Seven-wing. Noteworthy examples of this subtype include Richard Nixon, Robert F. Kennedy, George Bush, Malcom X, Robert Redford, Michele Pfeiffer, Diane Keaton, Jessica Lange, Bruce Springsteen, Phil Donahue, Rock Hudson, Billy Graham, Walter Mondale, Alexander Haig, Bob Dole, Joseph McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover, Oliver North, Meir Kahane, and John Hinckley, Jr.
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I have a theory of how this '6w5' is even possible. You say 6 is Loyal, while 5 is Shy. Here's the thing:
Have you ever noticed how shy people can be very loyal to their friends? Even to the point where they get 'defensive' for them?
The '5' in the personality of the shy person exposes them to only some people, then few of them are accepted in the shy person's world. These people are considered special by the '5', which results to their desire in keeping them safe from harm -resulting in the '6;' the loyalty attribute.
 
I like this article for the most part. I think sixes in general can be a mixed bag. I think how they turn out depends on each individual. The whole, "muder/suicide being real possibilities" is a poor way to conclude the article. I mean perhaps that is a possibility but perhaps they also are the ones who will talk the suicidal person down from thier ledge and make the murderer thier arch nemisis.

It is easy for all of us to be either or. I think in articles like this we definitly shouldn't puff up our personalities but the negatives should be stated more carefully, aknowledged, but not a general conclusion. This personality typing ought to be stated carefully because we wouldn't want to inspire that in a more cynical, delusional, and more selfish or a self destructive, depressed, tired 6w5.

I personally, scan the environment more than is called for, listen with my ears wide, and train myself to handle and better handle problems with the down trodden and vulnerable folks. That is my personal conquest. Certainly, there are some 6w5 who are nuts (Hitler) and don't worry there are 6w5 out there that despise those tendencies and look for em.

I guess the way I'd sum this up is some of the people looking around are looking to manipulate and some of the ones looking around are looking for mercy, justic, and liberation. It's everyone's personal fight to look at the devil and angel on thier shoulders and make a choice which influence to follow.

It's pretty simple people either destroy or build, heal or hurt, give or take, and all the options inbetween. The way I look towards systems is to protect the individual. To let the system be a standard and a voice so it doesnt happen in the first place and if it does the rules are in place to be enforced. Sure thier are sucky systems out there but in some situations its necessary like the law, democracy, and so forth.
Thank you! I am a 6w5 and the murder/suicide statement certainly bummed the post for me.
 
The traits of the Six and those of the Five are in some degree of conflict with each other. The general orientation of Sixes is toward affiliation with others, while the orientation of Fives is toward detachment from people so that they can avoid being influenced by anyone. Sixes and Fives are both looking for safety, but Sixes look to alliances with others and commintment to systems of though for security, while Fives tend to retreat from others and to tinker with, or even dismantle, established systems of thought. Both tendencies exist in the Six with a Five-wing, producing a subtype which sees itself as fighting for the “little person,” while at the same time being drawn to systems, alliances, and beliefs which often contain strong authoritarian elements. Sixes with a Five-wing can seem like Ones because they are serious, self-controlled, and committed to specific moral, ethical, and political beliefs. Like Eights, they can also be rather outspoken and passionate in the expression of their beliefs, with less concern about being liked than the Six with a Seven-wing. Noteworthy examples of this subtype include Richard Nixon, Robert F. Kennedy, George Bush, Malcom X, Robert Redford, Michele Pfeiffer, Diane Keaton, Jessica Lange, Bruce Springsteen, Phil Donahue, Rock Hudson, Billy Graham, Walter Mondale, Alexander Haig, Bob Dole, Joseph McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover, Oliver North, Meir Kahane, and John Hinckley, Jr.

Healthy people of this subtype combine the Six's capacity for organization and personal engagement with the Five's perceptiveness and curiosity. They may have a strong intellectual streak, depending on how much the Five-wing is in their overall personality. Healthy Sixes with a Five-wing often develop technical expertise and are valued as practical problems solvers; they are good communicators, educators, and pundits. They are also attracted to professions such as medicine, law, and engineering; they desire to master a system of knowledge, but within a field where the rules and parameters are established and known. They often get involved with political causes and community service. There is a strong identification with the underdog, and Sixes with a Five-wing may become the spokespeople or champions for groups or individuals they see as disadvantaged. Sixes with a Five-wing possess greater powers of concentration and focus than the other subtype (6w7), although they can sometimes be perceived as too narrow in their concerns. They are usually shrewd observers of the environment, particularly people, and put a premium on foresight and predicting how others will react. Their perceptions are more original than those of the Sixes with a Seven-wing, but because Six is the basic type, they do come across not as intellectuals, bu as extremely competent, knowledgeable individuals.

The anxiety we see in average Sixes also causes people of this subtype to be more intense than Sixes with a Seven-wing. Sixes with a Five-wing are more independent than Sixes with a Seven-wing, and are less likely to go to others for reassurance, advice, or to solve their problems. They may have one or two mentors or confidants, but in most cases they will “gut out” their problems and anxieties alone. They can be very hardworking and loyal to the systems or people with whom they have identified, but this can lead to strong partisan stances and a competitiveness with rivals. Persons of this subtype tend to be constricted in the expression of their emotions and are usually more detached, cerebral, and pessimistic. The Five-wing also adds a tendency toward secretiveness and compartmentalization which fuels the suspiciousness of the average Six. As their Insecurities escalate, they tend to see the world as dangerous. They become more reactive and aggressive, and will denounce or scapegoat any perceived threat to their security. They see others as potential enemies and fear that people may be conspiring to ruin them. Ironically, thy may respond by hatching plots against others.

Unhealthy persons of this subtype become increasingly paranoid and obsessed with maintaining their security, and may go to great lengths to protect their position. They are extremely needy, and may abuse alcohol or other drugs as a way of dealing with anxiety and paranoid delusions, as well as bolstering their inferiority feelings. The Five-wing adds elements of cynicism and nihilism to the fearful mentality of the unhealthy Six, resulting in growing isolation, desperation, and a capacity for sociopathic actions. Intense stress will likely lead to outbreaks of rage and extremely destructive behavior accompanies by breaks with reality. Self-sabotaging, self-destructive actions bring about humiliation and punishment to atone for guilt, although the extent and nature of their self-destructiveness will be hidden from others because of their reclusive nature. There may be strong propensity for violence as well as sadomasochistic tendencies in sexual expression. Murder and suicide are both real possibilities.

Riso, Don Richard., and Russ Hudson. Personality Types: Using the Enneagram for Self-discovery. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1996. Print.
Wow. I am a 6w5 and parts of this post nailed me for sure while other parts are so far fetched that it even left a terrible taste in my mouth. "Yuck" ... I guess what I would like to say is that on the outside the general public would rarely see "this side" of a 6w5 unless we let you see it. The inner war is ongoing to the point that we learn to live with "ourselves" and move on the best we can. For some reason people love being around me and the most common statement about me is that I am compassionate and make people laugh. I think what most 6w5's would want is to have complete 100% inner peace. Like to finally have the "internal dark misty fog" to dissipate. To finally be able to "exhale" and relax .. for real.
 
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Wow. I am a 6w5 and parts of this post nailed me for sure while other parts are so far fetched that it even left a terrible taste in my mouth. "Yuck" ... I guess what I would like to say is that on the outside the general public would rarely see "this side" of a 6w5 unless we let you see it. The inner war is ongoing to the point that we learn to live with "ourselves" and move on the best we can.
Yeah, of course. Every type doesn't like hearing the unhealthy descriptions of themselves because it is scary and unsettling to read. It's not necessarily about "sides" to your personality, but about your level of health. You can move up the scale and down the scale, but if you move down enough, it's going to show. (Although it makes sense that you would say that you think 6s conceal the unhealthy aspects, because 6s disintegrate to 3 (i.e. creating an image that everything is ok.))

I think what most 6w5's would want is to have complete 100% inner peace. Like to finally have the "internal dark misty fog" to dissipate. To finally be able to "exhale" and relax .. for real.
Yes, 6s integrate to 9. :)
 
So I have spent a good portion of this day reading pages of what I would describe as a "buffet of negativity" concerning the Enneagram type 6w5. It's as if I was getting sucked down a funnel of hopelessness. The more I read the worse I felt - about myself. I even retook the test and darn if I didn't get 6w5 again. I finally found some positive out there and wanted to share that with you.

Growth Recommendations:

"Sixes grow by recognizing that the only real security in life comes from within. While we can work hard to build our finances, to find the right friends and the right partner, and to foresee every possible mishap, ultimately, none of the external structures that we use to give ourselves confidence will always work for us. Things can and do go wrong, and the supports that we rely on inevitably change. Therefore, growth for a Six entails finding the support of their own inner knowing. It involves finding the place inside themselves that is quiet, strong, and capable. But this cannot happen by itself. Discovering these inner resources takes time and work, although, fortunately, Sixes understand the usefulness of perseverance and dedication. Sixes will know firsthand the value of discovering their inner resources when they take time to relax their constant vigilance and find faith in themselves. Think about how you feel supported in life. In what ways have you looked outside yourself for support? What belief systems have made you feel secure? If you wish, write down your observations. Now think about how you have disowned your own inner guidance by looking outside yourself for security. Have you missed opportunities for growth because of fear? Have you ignored your own hearts desires because of fear? In what ways have you reacted against your fears? To access your own inner guidance, you must learn to distinguish between opinions and real guidance. Opinions need defending. Your own inner guidance comes from a quiet place, and will just feel right. You won’t feel the need to defend it; you will just know that it is right for you. To access your own inner guidance, you will need to learn to quiet your overactive mind, connect with your body and heart, and your higher thinking center."

The Enneagram Blogspot: Type 6: Security-Seeker
 
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You are saying that a 6 will always be a 6 or a 6w5 will always be that? That a security seeker will always seek security?! :shocked:
Yes to all. Although the 6, like any other type, can grow and take on qualities of their integration point, the 9.
 
The traits of the Six and those of the Five are in some degree of conflict with each other. The general orientation of Sixes is toward affiliation with others, while the orientation of Fives is toward detachment from people so that they can avoid being influenced by anyone. Sixes and Fives are both looking for safety, but Sixes look to alliances with others and commintment to systems of though for security, while Fives tend to retreat from others and to tinker with, or even dismantle, established systems of thought. Both tendencies exist in the Six with a Five-wing, producing a subtype which sees itself as fighting for the “little person,” while at the same time being drawn to systems, alliances, and beliefs which often contain strong authoritarian elements. Sixes with a Five-wing can seem like Ones because they are serious, self-controlled, and committed to specific moral, ethical, and political beliefs. Like Eights, they can also be rather outspoken and passionate in the expression of their beliefs, with less concern about being liked than the Six with a Seven-wing. Noteworthy examples of this subtype include Richard Nixon, Robert F. Kennedy, George Bush, Malcom X, Robert Redford, Michele Pfeiffer, Diane Keaton, Jessica Lange, Bruce Springsteen, Phil Donahue, Rock Hudson, Billy Graham, Walter Mondale, Alexander Haig, Bob Dole, Joseph McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover, Oliver North, Meir Kahane, and John Hinckley, Jr.

Healthy people of this subtype combine the Six's capacity for organization and personal engagement with the Five's perceptiveness and curiosity. They may have a strong intellectual streak, depending on how much the Five-wing is in their overall personality. Healthy Sixes with a Five-wing often develop technical expertise and are valued as practical problems solvers; they are good communicators, educators, and pundits. They are also attracted to professions such as medicine, law, and engineering; they desire to master a system of knowledge, but within a field where the rules and parameters are established and known. They often get involved with political causes and community service. There is a strong identification with the underdog, and Sixes with a Five-wing may become the spokespeople or champions for groups or individuals they see as disadvantaged. Sixes with a Five-wing possess greater powers of concentration and focus than the other subtype (6w7), although they can sometimes be perceived as too narrow in their concerns. They are usually shrewd observers of the environment, particularly people, and put a premium on foresight and predicting how others will react. Their perceptions are more original than those of the Sixes with a Seven-wing, but because Six is the basic type, they do come across not as intellectuals, bu as extremely competent, knowledgeable individuals.

The anxiety we see in average Sixes also causes people of this subtype to be more intense than Sixes with a Seven-wing. Sixes with a Five-wing are more independent than Sixes with a Seven-wing, and are less likely to go to others for reassurance, advice, or to solve their problems. They may have one or two mentors or confidants, but in most cases they will “gut out” their problems and anxieties alone. They can be very hardworking and loyal to the systems or people with whom they have identified, but this can lead to strong partisan stances and a competitiveness with rivals. Persons of this subtype tend to be constricted in the expression of their emotions and are usually more detached, cerebral, and pessimistic. The Five-wing also adds a tendency toward secretiveness and compartmentalization which fuels the suspiciousness of the average Six. As their Insecurities escalate, they tend to see the world as dangerous. They become more reactive and aggressive, and will denounce or scapegoat any perceived threat to their security. They see others as potential enemies and fear that people may be conspiring to ruin them. Ironically, thy may respond by hatching plots against others.

Unhealthy persons of this subtype become increasingly paranoid and obsessed with maintaining their security, and may go to great lengths to protect their position. They are extremely needy, and may abuse alcohol or other drugs as a way of dealing with anxiety and paranoid delusions, as well as bolstering their inferiority feelings. The Five-wing adds elements of cynicism and nihilism to the fearful mentality of the unhealthy Six, resulting in growing isolation, desperation, and a capacity for sociopathic actions. Intense stress will likely lead to outbreaks of rage and extremely destructive behavior accompanies by breaks with reality. Self-sabotaging, self-destructive actions bring about humiliation and punishment to atone for guilt, although the extent and nature of their self-destructiveness will be hidden from others because of their reclusive nature. There may be strong propensity for violence as well as sadomasochistic tendencies in sexual expression. Murder and suicide are both real possibilities.

Riso, Don Richard., and Russ Hudson. Personality Types: Using the Enneagram for Self-discovery. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1996. Print.
unhealthy 6w5 EXTREMELY needy?sociopathic?sadomasochistic?that is probably not right at all but if by a very small chance that is true then you guys most certainly should take 6w5s out of the compliant triad,kkk.
 
Reading this, I'm slightly worried about doing stupid things like violence or drug abuse. I am usually suspicious of people and naturally anxious, but only when i see POTENTIAL dangers ahead. Is there anything 6w5's should do to not be of the "unhealthy" type?

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I wasn't expecting to relate to this quite as much as I did; in that respect, it seems a very good description. I agree with others that moving from the positive to the negative seems a rather needlessly unpleasant way to structure the article (a bad aftertaste, if you will), especially given how close to home the unhealthy description feels as though it gets. Still, like I said, I'm surprised by how relatable this was; that should put to rest any doubts I may have had about my own typing.
 
Thanks for the read :)
 
I don't recall inviting anyone into my head. :laughing:

On the military thing, I served, but the only thing I was protecting as a reason for joining was my pride...sad, but true. :blushed:
 
I could type up the 6w7 description if you really wanted me to... :p
I'm curious as well. :tongue:

6w5 though...well, I don't really want to be part of an existing group. XD

I don't recall inviting anyone into my head. :laughing:

On the military thing, I served, but the only thing I was protecting as a reason for joining was my pride...sad, but true. :blushed:
...hm. Actually I was considering doing this, on this very year. XD I ended up not though, because of really stupid reasons that will seem trivial to people that aren't me. (This may or may not have anything to do with an image fix but I'm pretty sure my image fix really dislikes the thought of having to adapt to military regulations)
 
Thank you for the post. It was insightful and morever I'm 6w5 . I was not much of life saver but I will tend to help whenever I can. There is once where my cousin nearly drown in a pool and I was there laze around and doing some reading. I don't know why it seems like an automatic movement where I just stop everything and straight away I went into the pool and try to save him and I did not think of myself at the moment and I just think I have to save him.
 
Unhealthy persons of this subtype become increasingly paranoid and obsessed with maintaining their security, and may go to great lengths to protect their position. They are extremely needy, and may abuse alcohol or other drugs as a way of dealing with anxiety and paranoid delusions, as well as bolstering their inferiority feelings. The Five-wing adds elements of cynicism and nihilism to the fearful mentality of the unhealthy Six, resulting in growing isolation, desperation, and a capacity for sociopathic actions. Intense stress will likely lead to outbreaks of rage and extremely destructive behavior accompanies by breaks with reality. Self-sabotaging, self-destructive actions bring about humiliation and punishment to atone for guilt, although the extent and nature of their self-destructiveness will be hidden from others because of their reclusive nature. There may be strong propensity for violence as well as sadomasochistic tendencies in sexual expression. Murder and suicide are both real possibilities.
:shocked::shocked::shocked:

I'd better avoid unhealthy states at all costs. Holy cow. :shocked:

Luckily I've only been in unhealthy states for fairly brief moments in life and I know how to avoid them very well now.
 
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