The whole dialogue dynamic between the two is some archetypal contrast/conflict between concrete (S) and abstract (N) verbalization.


I would go with ESTP for Marty.

Cohle is quite harder to type, as he does seem like an amalgam of NP: somewhat the overall output of an INTP; mysanthropic and prone to conflict like an ENTP; the way he reads, questions and lure people seems indicative of ENxP; there are also a lot of non-logical, non-empirical - amost mystical - monologues that suggest xNFP.

 

Cohle is definitely an N. NP. Probably TNP. He is a mystical nihilist, like Schopenhauer. Though I think the character is a mix of many different philosophies. I think some of the stuff is pretty much paraphrased from famous historical philosophers.

Marty is a T. ST.

 

Cohle, I think is an INTP.
NTs can like anyone else hold views and ideas that are illogical and non-empirical so I wouldn't call him a feeler because of that.
Nic Pizzolatto (the writer of the series) said Rust's philosophies of life is mostly based on Schopenhauer and Nietzsche, so you're spot on there @FearAndTrembling .

I thought Hart gave off more of an SJ vibe. Rust's abstract theories and worldview annoys him, and he keeps asking him why he can't be fucking normal. He draws his conclusions and worldview from what he has experienced in the past, and is very protective of this. Unless Rust shows him hands-on evidence for his theories he might as well speak to a wall.
They work together for a long time before he reluctantly starts listening to Rust without immediately shooting him down, because he have experienced that many of the theories have proven true.
I think he's an ESTJ or maybe an ISTJ. I see lots of Si and no Se. So I don't think he's an SP.


I think the dynamic between the two is great. Marty's more grounded nature keeps Rust from flying away to crazy land, and Rust's out of the box thinking pushes the team closer to finding the killers. In the end they both are better detectives than they were at the start by learning from each other.

I hope there will be a similar dynamic between the detectives in the next season. And I also wonder which actors that will play them, as Matthew and Woody won't return.


We don't see too much of the other characters involved, so I think it's hard to form opinions of which types they are.

Here is a great interview with the writer if anyone is interrested (contains spoilers): True Detective creator Nic Pizzolatto looks back on season 1

 

I got INFJ for Cohle with a very strong 5 (literally). Both his views and thought processes are pure mystical Ni which he sees first and then has to use reign in with Ti. At least I think it makes more sense that he would be a detached INFJ than an extremely mystical INTP to the point where it overtakes his dominant function.

Hart is ESTP, you can see his Fe when he helps Cohle's drunkness at his dinner and the Ti when he tells Cohle not to draw assumptions from evidence.

 

All right, just finished watching the last episode for the first time. And can now see Cohle as an INFJ 5. He really showed it most in the last episode. Great show.

 

Bump, I read a fantastic comment about the two characters: "Rust is dark but has a kinder center and Marty is nicer superficially but with a darker center." This is also a decent characterization of INFJ and ESTP respectively especially since they are mirrored.

 

God I'm so sad this show is over. Cohle is such an INFJ 5v6, it's not even funny, I felt that the entire series. Marty striked me as an ESFJ. His feelings usually trump his thinking and I think J not P. Maybe, it's his work ethic, or how he isn't very accepting of Cohle at first. He could be an ESFJ 7w6. I loved both characters, especially at the end. God, I miss that show!

 

Nobody watched this show????

 

Yeah, it's like the best show to come on TV in a while. People must be too busy watching The Big Bang Theory or The Walking Dead.

 

Haha! I don't get The Walking Dead worship. I hate to give a spoiler but next week someone is going to be killed by a zombie! Oh and the week after that too.

 

I ruled out INFJ initially specifically because I related to his views so much. Characters are written to be related to so I didn't trust my bias. I was then tied between INTP and INTJ - heavy on thinking and intuition. He didn't seem unlike INTP's I know and his deductions have a theoretical Ti to them. Marty is the at Te user here (tries to take weekends off and sees himself as cheating to keep his family afloat). I'm inclined not to follow initial instincts so still paying attention. I think his ideals could be considered or held by INTP, INTJ or INFJ (INFP at a stretch but any INFP's I know don't like conversations going in that direction).

I've all but ruled out extraverted intuition because his deductions are very predictive in nature. Then as the series goes on (I'm now entering ep5) neither his thinking nor intuition seem extraverted, he has a gift for reading people and can hide himself and relate to them on their terms (and is still no good at cards by his own judgment!). So now I'm back to suspecting that he is an INFJ. A lost one that trusts Marty to listen to his judgements. No identity of his own, Fe spent, a cavernous Ni/Ti loop turned towards the only ethics left to turn his skills to: solving crimes. He watches but doesn't take part, fulfils his duties to the world by answering the questions he's asked, reads people alive or dead, when needed for his job can get confessions from people by occupying whatever authority figure he sees they fear.

Aside from that his philosophies dance through things I ultimately think in abstract terms, if I could admit it. Maybe I haven't reconciled who I am like he has but I'm not inclined to introduce the inevitable doom of the human condition at parties, or to those I wish to have a future relationship with. But then I'm stills living out there in Fe! I'm not burgeoned by the death of a daughter and the loss of a wife.

Anyway, everyone can find themselves in someone else's philosophy. I basically think there's a lot of Ni/Ti going on in both his philosophy and deductions. Reads the minds of others and sees the resulting narrative (Ni), looks for details (Se), manipulates and gets information from people (Fe), and always checks the whole lot for logical consistency (Ti).

 

Yeah, I think Marty is a P too. I was thinking ESTP or ISTJ. Typical cops. But leaning towards ESTP. Marty is a big kid. That is basically what ESTP are. He has responsibility and that sort of thing, but is still a pretty light hearted frat boy. He isn't the typical hard ass cop or soldier. He is lighter than that. More laid back. There were tons of ISTJ cops in the office on the show. Marty wasn't one of them. You could tell he was cut from a different cloth. It also makes an interesting contrast to Cohle, who is INFJ. INFJ and ESTP are total opposites, but actually share all the same functions, just in different order. In reverse. I think ESTP is one of the easiest types to get along with for INFJ. And Marty is one of the few guys who "got" Cohle and connected with him to any degree.

 

I tagged him as a feeler because they often get the best of him, he also has great Fe, gets along with his coworkers...except Cohle heh. He is great with office politics. He seems pretty traditional to me, his values (even though he is a philanderer). ESFJs can cheat too guys. He really pushes his Fe on Cohle big time, his facial responses to Cohle are priceless. He is very vocal when he is expressing what is right and what is wrong, something I often see in ESFJs. I also saw Si in him during the flashbacks. One in particular stands out when him and his wife made love, he was so caught up in that memory the other detectives had to get his attention. I think he really loved his wife even though he didn't treat her like she deserved. The most heartbreaking scene was (don't want to spoil it), toward the end when the family was all together.

Those two actors nailed their characters, I wish they were coming back next season .

 

He wasn't pushing his Fe too much, though it was obviously there. He let most of it slide. I think he took Cohle's nihilism pretty well, and let him slide MUCH more than I would have. I actually wish I was there to give a rebuttal to Cohle' philosophy, it bugged me so much. Marty just politely reminded him he was weird and it wasn't proper conversation. It's not like he was some overbearing guy trying to change Cohle. Can't see him being a Fe lead at all. An ESFJ is like the typical old fashioned mom, Marty is nothing like that. Marty is a kid. He finds Cohle strange, but interesting.

And yes, it is a tragedy we will never see those two characters again.

 

Yeah if you want a good example of a J, look at Papania especially in the last episodes (probably an ISTJ). I was actually kind of bummed that Cohle (somewhat) changed in the end; not that I agreed with his nihilistic views but he ended up "selling out" his core beliefs and going with faith just like everyone else when he didn't have to do either.

 

But Cohle's nihilism was just as much dogma as any other idea. And it was a reaction to a tragedy. That formed his worldview. It was kind of a defense mechanism. So it really wasn't him. I don't think they were his core beliefs. I think they were a clever facade to shield him from his real core beliefs. To shield them from this cruel world as well. IF you don't expose your beliefs to the world, they can't be destroyed by it. Because his core beliefs were under attack. That is actually what introversion does. It forms a shield. We are abstract thinkers because abstractions put a barrier between us and this cruel world. Introverts have an inherent unease in this existence, and put up many walls. I just see the wall finally coming down for Cohle.

 

Cohle is so obviously an Ni-dom, no other type would even make sense, I tend to lean more towards INTJ but I could see a case for both.

Marty is probably an ESTP, I could see other types like ENTP or ENTJ, but ESTP seems to fit.

 

Cohle is an INTJ, possibly ENTJ. He speaks so much from Te and Ni. Hart was more difficult to type but I think he's either an ESTP or ESFP.

Most importantly though, Cohle is 854 or 584 sx/sp. I haven't come across such a relatable character in a very long time. But xNTJ 458 sx/sp tritype anyway.

And if you think Cohle was using his nihilism to shield his real values you clearly don't understand the character at all. Cohle had no faith, it hurt too much to believe in the meaning of life. That's all there is to it. He wanted something he couldn't have anymore. That's the point to his last speech.

 

No way was Cohle an ENTJ, INTJ I don't see either, but more likely of the two. Have you ever met an ENTJ type 8? Ugh, no way.

 

Cohle is so Ti/Ne (INTP) it hurts. Marty is an ESTJ. One Ne type response that comes to mind:

Marty: "Do you believe a man can love two women at once?"
Cohle: "I don't believe man can love ... in the way he thinks he can."

THAT is Ne. Ni coalesces from many ideas to one idea, whereas Ne has a tendency to explode out from one point/idea to many -- in other words, expanding the scope of an idea/question/idea is almost a reflex. If you say something along the lines of "Within the scope of this room, x does y", they would say, "Well, within the house/city/world/universe x does z." This is the antithesis of Ni, which is subjective, and only cares about the subjective, or something within a certain context.

Even when you hear an Ni say something similar to the above dialog (because I hear them say similar things all the time), they are still coalescing to a single point/idea they have. They're working to a point. Ne doesn't really care. Cohle wasn't going anywhere with that. He was just pointing out the fault in the question -- so it was kind of Ti'ish as well.

Regardless of whether he is Ne or Ni, Cohle is Ti dominant. Even if an argument could be made that he was Ni and not Ne, he'd be Ti/Ni (ISTP), not Ni/Ti (INFJ). He almost seems absent of Je (Te/Fe) in his younger self. The only thing that matters to him is his own, internal judgment framework (Ti -- definitely not Fi).

 

I think he has some pretty strong external judgement.

 

I thought he was an INTP at first too. Then somebody convinced me he was an INFJ 5. I liked it, and started defending it. I honestly don't know tho. In his younger years, he seems more detached. When he is older with the long hair, in the room bullshitting with the detectives, making demands, etc. that isn't an INTP. He is closer to INTJ. INTP don't have that bite. INTP does not have that presence or intensity.

Anyway. I recently saw this quote, that I really liked, and kind of tells the story of Cohle:

Let everything that's been planned come true. Let them believe. And let them have a laugh at their passions. Because what they call passion actually is not some emotional energy, but just the friction between their souls and the outside world. And most important, let them believe in themselves. Let them be helpless like children, because weakness is a great thing, and strength is nothing. When a man is just born, he is weak and flexible. When he dies, he is hard and insensitive. When a tree is growing, it's tender and pliant. But when it's dry and hard, it dies. Hardness and strength are death's companions. Pliancy and weakness are expressions of the freshness of being. Because what has hardened will never win.

 

Cohle is obviously a fucking depressed INFJ, dom Ni, inferior sensing.
He is an obsessive guy, lower Ti maybe?, in some episode Hart told him that he had a tunnel vision, isn't it a classic feature of INXJ? Also he considerates to a great level society rules even if he find them stupid and BS etc, and knows how to act depending on the person he is facing, remember that crazy masturbator guy? i would go with Fe instead of Fi mainly becuz i don't see Te.
I'm surprised to see people typing him as an INTP. That sucks becuz he is not one, he doesn't show Ne, like at all.

 

Rust is an ISTP with well developed 3 functions - Ti Se Ni.
People think he is Ni dom or Fe aux because of what? He is hallucinating on flashbacks and he cried in the last episode?
He could be an INTP or INTJ, but ISTP seem more plausible.


Marty is an ESFP. Obvious Se dom, probably with Fi and Te (compare him with actual ESTP - Hank from Breaking Bad).

 

This is starting to interest me. I think Fe is how I type people now. First of all, Fe does not hold grudges. Fe knows the environment decides things. Cohle gets beat up, that is what happens. The guy is always lashing out against Fe, with Fe. Water, all that shit. Man is nature, who doesn't know it. The form is a facade, we are all water. Fe wants to destroy everything. Fe is wrath. What Cohle is doing, is making an objective value judgement on the world. Which is true. We are all nature.

Kohle is all defense. That is Fe. What does he do? He has no values. He just knocks over others. He is an empty bottle. Fe is fairness to ideas, and people. Kohle thought all this religion stuff was nonsense. All it is. I am the same. He is using Ni, Ti, Fe Se in some capacity. He is like Bruce Lee.

“The meaning of life is that it is to be lived, and it is not to be traded and conceptualized and squeezed into a pattern of systems. Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system."

1. “It’s not the daily increase but daily decrease. Hack away at the unessential

Kohle is like water. He hardened, and then returned to water.

1. “When one has reached maturity in the art, one will have a formless form. It is like ice dissolving in water. When one has no form, one can be all forms; when one has no style, he can fit in with any style.”

​
Kohle went back to water, from form. I heard that many INFJ tend to resemble ISTP as they get older. That stuff is starting to make more sense to me. Fe tied it all together for him in the end. Me too.

Kohle always believed. That's the thing. Like the cross he had. It reminds me of the Neils Bohr horseshoe story.

The visitor asked the physicist about the purpose of the horseshoe while expressing incredulity that a man of science could possibly be swayed by a simple-minded folk belief. The physicist replied:

"Of course I don’t believe in it, but I understand it brings you luck, whether you believe in it or not."




That is water. He doesn't take sides. That is basically an anchor, that shows he is always open. It's really just a clever way of saying, "I never know what is true." It's just a clever, non-committal way of saying, "I think it is possible. I don't have to believe in something for it to be true. Truth exists outside of my control."

Kohle was always open as well. He just acted like he wasn't. He also always cared about people too, which is why we wanted to solve the case.

Kohle wanted to die. He was like Jesus. What is the biggest trick that Jesus pulled? Killing himself, but making it look like others did. They could have saved him. But they lacked understanding, and feared power structures. Cohle wanted to die too, but wanted to make the world do it. To prove himself right. But when he finally met death, he realized he wanted to live. Because he met somebody who understood, unlike Jesus. Somebody saved him. Everybody needs help. Even the toughest, who have seemingly nothing to lose. Nobody is a lost cause. It's a great story. Jung basically thought that all people refuse to admit they are dependent on "powers beyond our control". Cohle, finally gave in to those powers, and realized they aren't all bad. He was running from those powers the whole time. His demons. His shadow.

 

I am saying it is a much more universal narrative. What he lost, was freedom. This is my own interpretation of course. But freedom is the great lie. That Cohle thought gave him strength. What is the one thing Jesus offered man? Freedom. Not one thing more. And look what we got. This isn't just me, this is Dostoevsky, Lee and others. It is an interesting subject.

But I think in front of every great truth, is a brilliant falsehood. The bible is a brilliant falsehood. It obviously isn't true, but that is why it is. lol. It was made to fool you. The bigger the falsehood, the greater the truth. You have to go through the falsehood though. If you stay true, you will just barely make it. Jung and Spinoza did not think the bible was true, but still loved religion and christianity. Because they were true to it, and a higher truth is revealed. A higher conception of God. Because obviously the God in the bible is quite small. But so are we! That is why we deserve him. We reject him, because we refuse to admit he is us. Only when we admit we are God, will we rise above him. I said the Bible is the neverending story. IT goes on forever, and everybody is tortured, until somebody finally reads it right, and realizes it is about them, and ends it. The bible is about us. Prove it wrong. It seems true to me.

It's like Jedi, a Jedi goes through his hate, not around it. He builds it up to its highest possible point, and then when he is supposed to project it on his enemies, like all bad guys, he swallows it. He accepts it is part of him. That is the path.

So Cohle, had a tragedy, and became "free". Like Job. But he was tortured the whole time in "freedom". That was the the brilliant falsehood. He realizes freedom is an illusion, and humanity can help him. That he was just as bad as those mentally handicapped people who need meaning. They were actually above him. It was a brilliant falsehood.

I'll just give my story of Job, to say what I mean about freedom:

God is good. We don't define good. But God is good. So God creates a good man in Job. He puts Job through all this mess. Why? Cause at the end Job is still with God. He is good. He obeyed God. He proved he is good. But he was given freedom. That was the test. It was made to look so bad. The brilliant falsehood. But Job stayed with God. He trusted God, or good. So God can look at his creation, and say, "He is good." Not free, but good. Freedom is the brilliant falsehood. It is only through rejection of freedom, or control, do people be with God.

God creates Job. Everything is fine there. All good. It is only when Job steps out into freedom, is there trouble. Only when he gets away from God. Because freedom is being away from God. But we think it is good. And that is the test. So, they are on land, and there is a dock. The dock is freedom. It extends from the land. God and Job standing on the land. Job goes out on the dock. It's bad there. When he returns to land, everything is fine. The dock is an illusion. That was the test. If he could see through it.

 

I am saying it is a much more universal narrative. What he lost, was freedom. This is my own interpretation of course. But freedom is the great lie. That Cohle thought gave him strength. What is the one thing Jesus offered man? Freedom. Not one thing more. And look what we got. This isn't just me, this is Dostoevsky, Lee and others. It is an interesting subject.

But I think in front of every great truth, is a brilliant falsehood. The bible is a brilliant falsehood. It obviously isn't true, but that is why it is. lol. It was made to fool you. The bigger the falsehood, the greater the truth. You have to go through the falsehood though. If you stay true, you will just barely make it. Jung and Spinoza did not think the bible was true, but still loved religion and christianity. Because they were true to it, and a higher truth is revealed. A higher conception of God. Because obviously the God in the bible is quite small. But so are we! That is why we deserve him. We reject him, because we refuse to admit he is us. Only when we admit we are God, will we rise above him. I said the Bible is the neverending story. IT goes on forever, and everybody is tortured, until somebody finally reads it right, and realizes it is about them, and ends it. The bible is about us. Prove it wrong. It seems true to me.

Foucault: The Eye of Power | Set Adrift on Theoretical Bliss

It's like Jedi, a Jedi goes through his hate, not around it. He builds it up to its highest possible point, and then when he is supposed to project it on his enemies, like all bad guys, he swallows it. He accepts it is part of him. That is the path.

Cohle isn't a Jedi nor does he aspire to be one, though.

So Cohle, had a tragedy, and became "free". Like Job. But he was tortured the whole time in "freedom". That was the the brilliant falsehood. He realizes freedom is an illusion, and humanity can help him. That he was just as bad as those mentally handicapped people who need meaning. They were actually above him. It was a brilliant falsehood.

What? Cohle finally admitted his own wounding and pain, how deeply hurt he truly was. That's not the same as accepting humanity.

I'll just give my story of Job, to say what I mean about freedom:

God is good. We don't define good. But God is good. So God creates a good man in Job. He puts Job through all this mess. Why? Cause at the end Job is still with God. He is good. He obeyed God. He proved he is good. But he was given freedom. That was the test. It was made to look so bad. The brilliant falsehood. But Job stayed with God. He trusted God, or good. So God can look at his creation, and say, "He is good." Not free, but good. Freedom is the brilliant falsehood. It is only through rejection of freedom, or control, do people be with God.

God creates Job. Everything is fine there. All good. It is only when Job steps out into freedom, is there trouble. Only when he gets away from God. Because freedom is being away from God. But we think it is good. And that is the test. So, they are on land, and there is a dock. The dock is freedom. It extends from the land. God and Job standing on the land. Job goes out on the dock. It's bad there. When he returns to land, everything is fine. The dock is an illusion. That was the test. If he could see through it.

It has nothing to do with freedom but human suffering. I don't get where you get freedom from at all.

But it doesn’t seem objective to me. At all. And to me, he is a logician, not believer. I'd stick with Ti Se Ni.

I really can't see where you see ISTP. he seems to align himself with Te logic like the scene where he explained how the universe is a circle. I don't see him operating with personal logical axioms in order to make sense of life. He seems decidedly Fi, following an internal sense of ethics etc. Hart though, he's an ESTP I think. You see the difference between the two in terms of judgement. Both are Ni and Se, but they are split between Ti-Fe and Fi-Te.

 

The freedom to be empty. It all makes sense in my head. I know it makes sense in yours too. We just see it differently. You are equally as right. Freedom is the cause of suffering. Everyone from Jesus to Dostoevsky to Skinner saw this. Man will stand in a toilet if you call it freedom. Freedom is freedom from all ideologies, including "freedom". Jesus gave us one thing, freedom. And it is the cause of all error in this world. It welds us together, like Tolstoy said.

Kohle had to go through his hate. It is the only way. He went through himself. Like Luke. He cleansed himself.

Lee's favorite story, which he told all his new students:

"A learned man once went to visit a Zen teacher to inquire about Zen. As the Zen teacher talked, the learned man frequently interrupted to express his own opinion about this or that. Finally the Zen teacher stopped talking and began to serve tea to the learned man. He poured the cup full, then kept pouring until the cup overflowed.

" 'Stop,' said the learned man. ' The cup is full, no more can be poured in.'

" 'Like this cup you are full of your own opinions,' replied the Zen teacher. ' If you do not first empty your tea cup, how can you taste my cup of tea?' "


Kohle was full. He was the learned man, who knew it all.

And it makes sense, Christianity has just distorted it. One more point. When you are empty, truly, death is not a release. It is only attachment that makes people want death. Attachment to something that life refused to give them. Be empty, be water, and nothing can hurt you.

Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: "The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you", he said. "They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and... you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth."

Kohle was finally burned away.

 

The freedom to be empty. It all makes sense in my head.

Too bad for you it makes no sense to me. What has emptiness got to do with anything? What does emptiness even mean in this context?

I know it makes sense in yours too.

Nope.

We just see it differently. You are equally as right. Freedom is the cause of suffering. Everyone from Jesus to Dostoevsky to Skinner saw this. Man will stand in a toilet if you call it freedom. Freedom is freedom from all ideologies, including "freedom". Jesus gave us one thing, freedom. And it is the cause of all error in this world. It welds us together, like Tolstoy said.

I don't think freedom causes suffering; I think lack of freedom causes suffering.

Kohle had to go through his hate. It is the only way. He went through himself. Like Luke. He cleansed himself.

It has nothing to do with hate but human suffering.

Lee's favorite story, which he told all his new students:

"A learned man once went to visit a Zen teacher to inquire about Zen. As the Zen teacher talked, the learned man frequently interrupted to express his own opinion about this or that. Finally the Zen teacher stopped talking and began to serve tea to the learned man. He poured the cup full, then kept pouring until the cup overflowed.

" 'Stop,' said the learned man. ' The cup is full, no more can be poured in.'

" 'Like this cup you are full of your own opinions,' replied the Zen teacher. ' If you do not first empty your tea cup, how can you taste my cup of tea?' "


Kohle was full. He was the learned man, who knew it all.

What? I think you are reading things in Cohle that's not there. Cohle wasn't looking for spiritual enlightenment. He was looking for emotional salvation yes, but it was salvation from the suffering he felt from losing his family in the tragic way he lost it. That's the only universality that is applicable here, in that all people are bound to suffer in this way. It's not freedom that caused that suffering but the cruelty of the world.

And it makes sense, Christianity has just distorted it. One more point. When you are empty, truly, death is not a release. It is only attachment that makes people want death. Attachment to something that life refused to give them. Be empty, be water, and nothing can hurt you.

Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: "The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you", he said. "They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and... you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth."

Kohle was finally burned away.

As if I thought you could make any less sense...

 

I'll just finish up. lol. You have to have read the stuff I read, just like I have to be you.

Skinner looks at the world, and sees it is a mess. Skinner says, we have all these principles, why are people acting like idiots? Because they supposedly have freedom and dignity, and we can't correct them. Skinner wants to solve problems, and runs into freedom and dignity every time. That is why I use him. I don't believe a word he says, but he is true to his side. The concepts of freedom are preventing a true scientific modification of human ethics.

So, in any debate. It is like a game of pong. Plug Skinner in, player one. He will guard that side, and I can walk away. Come back, and Skinner will still be standing, and the ball will get through the other side. He is the best goalie ever. He can't beat a guy like Jung though. He's all defense. Jung has both. Only water can beat Skinner. Nobody is water, so Skinner always wins. Fe is a sword. Nothing more. It is a weapon. Skinner is, steel true, blade straight. He is my main weapon.

Because the only people's arguments I use, are those I tried to prove wrong, but couldn't. Skinner stands. He is the anti-christ. Not literally, but exactly the description. None of this stuff is literal.

We do need to be free. But what people call "freedom" now, is actually slavery. It is the greatest brilliant falsehood going, remember? Jesus saw the path was open, and wanted to make sure everyone moved through it freely. Follow me, he said. Like Lee. They didn't tell you what to do, they told you how to remove the influence of others in your life. I know a guy like Lee would be distorted in the same way, back then. You can't turn Lee into a religion, because he is Bruce Lee. lol. And he preached against that, there is footage. No mystery. So you can build so many lies on top of his very powerful message that appeals to so many. Like Nietzsche or somebody said, The only true Christian died on the cross. Gandhi said something similar about Christianity. "I love your Christ. I do not like Christians." Who can hate Lee or Jesus themselves? Just the people? Nobody. Einstein said the same thing. He said he knows Jesus is true, because his message is so true.


“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”


-Gandhi


Interviewer:“You accept the historical existence of Jesus?”

Einstein:“Unquestionably. No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life. How different, for instance, is the impression which we receive from an account of legendary heroes of antiquity like Theseus. Theseus and other heroes of his type lack the authentic vitality of Jesus.


I just realized Einstein was like water obviously. If you are true to Jesus, you will see his message is true. It can't be made up. Notice how Einstein said he didn't believe Jesus was magical, or a savior. He didn't believe in afterlife, or personal God. But he was true to ideas. That was his greatest strength. Like Lee. Like Spinoza. Like Jung. I told you, ethics is knowledge. That is why Einstein liked Spinoza so much. Spinoza was to Einstein, what Jung is to me. Einstein could trust him. Have faith in giving both sides justice. So Spinoza is critical of religion, but still finds good parts. Einstein remembers them, and adds them up. I said this to a Christian on here. I said, "I know there is something in the Bible, and that is why I believe there is something in Spinoza." Because Spinoza went into the bible, trying to prove it wrong, but was fair. And what happened? It revealed to him even a higher conception of God. God was small, because all who read him were small. Spinoza made him big. So did Jung.

Neverending story? Loved that movie. Why was it called that? Because that kid was the only person who ever read it, and realize it was about him. He ended it. Finally. So did Jung and Spinoza. I know they are right. I know that sounds trite. But when Jung said he knows. I do too. Jung was the first guy I ever had faith in. It wasn't Jung. It was water. It was Lee. It is many others. It is everybody.

To add:

Einstein thought Spinoza was God. He loved him. The way I love Jung. The way any person loves the only, or first person, they could ever believe in.

How much do I love that noble man
More than I could tell with words
I fear though he'll remain alone
With a holy halo of his own.

"I do not have the professional knowledge to write a scholarly article about Spinoza. But what I think about this man I can express in a few words. Spinoza was the first to apply with strict consistency the idea of an all-pervasive determinism to human thought, feeling, and action. In my opinion, his point of view has not gained general acceptance by all those striving for clarity and logical rigor only because it requires not only consistency of thought, but also unusual integrity, magnamity, and — modesty."

I agree with your remark about loving your enemy as far as actions are concerned. But for me the cognitive basis is the trust in an unrestricted causality. 'I cannot hate him, because he must do what he does.' That means for me more Spinoza than the prophets."

These guys made me realize nobody is wrong, just misunderstood. When people understand each other, nobody will be wrong. And Jesus and Spinoza will reign.


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Our existence does not make sense, because it is only seen as a fragment. Never the whole. You know how Ni orders things? It orders them all when you think you are going to die. And finds all the right connections. That is when it makes sense. When you see the end of it. Like any story. He is imperfection, who saw a glimpse of perfection. I saw it too. That is what a religious experience is. For really smart people anyway.

 

IDK. You sound awfully egotistic as for a saint.
Anyway I can see less sense in every next post u make so nevermid.

He can't be a dominant judger but then an ESFP you know? Doesn't make any sense because dominant judging means ExxJ or IxxP because these are the types that lead with dominant judging. I personally relate quite a fair bit to his thinking and he's so thoroughly type 8, hence the whole nihilism part you mention. It's a very 8 outlook on life imo.

Yeah I know I was talking about Cohle being a dominant judger (ISTP, Ti lead) and Hart being an ESFP.

What I mean by Te is that Te aligns itself with the general knowledge of the world, what is deemed consensus of how things work or what things are. When someone is aligned with Te, they state things as how they are, how things are explained or understood by the large population. When reciting facts and data or systematic logic, it tends to sound very textbook-y.

This corresponds with my understanding of Te as well. I will say it's sticking with "facts" instead of general rules, step by step explanations etc. So why do you think he used Te in that scene? Like because of way he was explaining it? In an extroverted manner, because he used simple examples, and tried to "convert" his thoughts in a way he could be understood by the police officers? It's the only way I can think of, because the whole concept of "time is a flat circle" is pretty fucked up and NOT textbook at all.

 

Rust Cohle started as an INXP, then became an ISTP, briefly was an INFJ and I'm not sure what by the end.