Well I think this is subjective.

For example what I tend to think is kind of unhealthy in terms of social ineptness, seems kind of embraced by many (not all INTPs) I guess in terms of what I think is excusing many seem to feel is embracing. There seems to maybe be a bond on mocking everything. I tend to mock everything myself in sarcasm in my head. Maybe the whole group mentality is a bit much for me even if I can relate to the sentiment of sarcasm.

But I have evolved into quite the self-righteous prick so what do I know.

 

I am so incredibly disappointed in myself that I just read that drivel. I feel like I want to cry right now.

 

 

I actually think INTP's generally are a little more unhealthy than the rest of the population. Perhaps it's more difficult to find a healthy one...

But it depends what you mean by unhealthy, because I find INTP's tend to have a better perspective on life. They're not obsessed with their own wants (by this I mean not intending to be at the expense of others... ) although more so materially than immaterially... they're brutally honest at the expense of their own happiness sometimes, they are capable of willingly working insanely hard, and they'll value true significance over even themselves. I guess it doesn't necessarily suggest a high survival rate. INTP's will be healthy when put in an environment that appreciates their abilities and fosters mental flow, and an environment where they feel they can grow from other people. This is surprisingly hard to find.

 

Ever heard that inside every type is their shadow type or something along those lines? Like, an INTP has an ESFJ inside of them that comes out when they're stressed. That can be rather true. I'll explain myself for a good example, mostly because I've been obsessively trying to type myself for ages and think I finally solved the puzzle and might as well share.

So, I recently figured out (or am pretty sure I have) I'm a really unhealthily developed INTP. For a while I thought INFJ and seriously considered ISFJ but my friends were like 'no, I really don't think you're a feeler.' I pretty much analyzed every piece of data I could, thought of all the possible possibilities I could generate. (Within reason. I kind of left out all the XSXP types as I have NOOOO Se.)

I realized INFJ was not fitting well about a few weeks ago when it kept coming up that I'm way too critical, blunt and have way too much of a struggle with comforting people (as in, I tend to give advice instead of comfort) for that. So, the first thought was 'maybe, INTP, I'm pretty sure I have Fe and Ti.' Back then I was certain I had a rather strong Fe. But the logical-ness of the INTP seemed so weird with the fact that I am emotional (though, not particularly emotionally driven, I've found) and fussy. What further got me bent out of shape is that I was utterly convinced I have an NF bent because I have such humanitarian interests. (Though, to be fair, I seem much more interested in learning/thinking about and understanding social issues than I am in becoming an activist. )

So... I tried to think of every other possibility and obsessively exhausted all of them. The two others I almost settled on were INFP and ESFJ/ISFJ. INFP basically didn't work because I have a very obvious Ti and my friend (INTJ) who happens to have a ton of INFP friends was all like 'yeah, no, you do not have Fi' and I had to concede to that after she gave me her reasoning. [In fact, she was the first person who was utterly convinced I was an NT type (specifically an INTP)]. So, I thought maybe ISFJ and superficially it almost fit. But...

In the end, I realized that the worse my mood is, the more I try to be like an ISFJ. The key word here is try. It comes off as rather forced an unnatural. I've basically had people tell me it's like I force myself to be accommodating when I'd rather rip out and critique things. That when I let go, I'm really more blunt and logical than anything else. I get fussy and rule stickler-y and lost in the past... but only when I'm completely freaked out.

As a kid, I was this heads in the clouds little thing, always off in my dream world of Ne possibilities or building my own realities. I was harsh and critical and really liked to speak my mind. Rules, authority, being proper and all that meant diddly-squat to me.

So... what changed? Three things had a major influence on how I developed. The first is that I was really horribly bullied all the way up to high school and in high school, I was still 'that weird' girl. It made me feel pretty isolated and like there's something wrong with me. Like being who I am is not okay. The second is my parents. I'll save you the gory details and sum it up in that we have this horrible relationship that borders on abusive with them. They basically confirmed everything my peers said. "Yeah, people don't like you because you're weird. You need to work on your social skills." And while I probably did (and really still do) need to work on my social skills, hearing that from my parents really wasn't helpful. The third is really a mix between anxiety and insecurity. I have clinical anxiety and well, I'm pretty sure I'm an enneagram type 5. (I'm still figuring out the wing.) My biggest fear is being incompetent. Which manifests in a lot of ways, but in relation to this, I feel very socially incompetent.

So, what did I do? Well, there was one, dark, dark year in middle school where I said 'fuck the world, I'll be whoever I want to be.' And I was this self centered jerk who only followed my own rules (ex. I refused to turn in homework because it was too easy and therefor I was above doing it) and basically was highly unpleasant, though pretty creatively productive. I did end up meeting my best friend, an INFP, who kind of, oddly enough, helped ground me and pretty much kept my more insensitive traits in check. (He's still my main social anchor.)

After a few years of working through things, I tried to morph myself (mostly subconsciously) into someone likable, falling back on my inferior functions. I still stayed very imaginative, idea and abstract concept focus and analytical... but I became a bit of a rule and social norms stickler (or tried to be. I'm still not very good at recognizing them, though I am rather good at following recipes). I also tried to learn to listen better, learn to be more accommodating. And it kind of worked.

Sounds almost healthy, right? Except... well, I'm behaving in a way that's really counter-intuitive to me. It's taxing and stressful and actually makes me more insecure. Like my friends tell me, I try and force myself to be accommodating. I personally notice myself getting so lost in rules and social propriety that I'm afraid to do anything. The only place I really am me is in an academic or creative environment (I'm a math major who does art and writes as a hobby). That's where I analyze things, generate ideas, problem solve, all the lovely stuff that makes me feel like -me-/get pumped up.

But outside of that realm I'm so paralyzed with fear and insecurity that I become utterly ineffective or utterly annoying.

Basically... an unhealthy INTP can look like a kind of underdeveloped ESFJ/ISFJ (fussy and rule stickler-y without the tactful and responsible side).

Si and Fe are very valuable tools when not used as a fallback. My Si sometimes really feeds in well with my Ne when I'm in creative mode, helping me recall the data and facts I need as inspiration to generate ideas and concepts or when I'm trying to analyze things. And Fe is great for being able to emphasize with people... I actually kind of wish mine was better developed because it would be rather nice to actually be aware of appropriate social behavior rather than constantly having to ask 'is what I'm doing appropriate????' and feeling unsure.

I'm still trying to figure out how really address this imbalance as my inferior function are rather naively developed but overused. Mostly, I'd love it if my Si would pop as a memory/fact check function and help me keep track of things instead of popping up as a 'noooo, you can't do this, it's dangerous!!!' function more often.


....

On a less detailed note, I would like to add that I'm pretty sure INTPs can also go the opposite way, completely ignoring their inferior functions. At least, I've kind of observed a trend among rationals where we tend to be VERY critical of sensors and feelers. To the point of completely dismissing any good traits S-types and F-types have and to the point of dismissing how useful and applicable the Se/Si and Fe/Fi functions are. It can manifest in being very egotistical, very callus, very overall ass-holey. Which is annoying on it's own, but it's also crippling.

For example, an INTP without a good use of Si can still come up with really great ideas and systems... but those systems won't have any sort of grounding. Without a memory bank of facts to build off of, and INTP can get stuck or come up with way off ideas.

Rationals in general can get what I would dub a intellectual-superiority-boner. We can think we know everything soooooo much better than everyone else and kind of mentally jack off to it and not realize just how stupid we are. Or use our smarts as kind of a 'well, I'm smart so I'm important,' crutch.

There're also rationals who subscribe to 'logical' ideologies without really considering if they are logical or just ideologies that scorn emotion/less rational things. Ex. I have a huge problem with mainstream atheists for this reason, and I say this as an atheist. A lot of them just flat out condemn religion and uphold science in an almost religious way, forgetting that science is very much influenced by the society in which it originates. (You have to look no further than Eugenics movement to see how ridiculously bias science can be). However, a lot of rationals identify strongly with mainstream atheists.

Basically, another unhealthy way INTPs and rationals in general could go is trying to be so rational that they actually become irrational.

....

But, these later things are just my musings. The people I spend the most time with are two INFPs, an INTJ, an ISFJ and an ENTJ, so I can't really speak for INTPs other than my rather strangely developed self. (Though, if I don't sound very INTP here, feel free to say so. It seemed like the most reasonable conclusion to reach, but hey, typing is confusing and complicated sometimes. )

 

Ever heard that inside every type is their shadow type or something along those lines? Like, an INTP has an ESFJ inside of them that comes out when they're stressed. That can be rather true. I'll explain myself for a good example, mostly because I've been obsessively trying to type myself for ages and think I finally solved the puzzle and might as well share.

So, I recently figured out (or am pretty sure I have) I'm a really unhealthily developed INTP. For a while I thought INFJ and seriously considered ISFJ but my friends were like 'no, I really don't think you're a feeler.' I pretty much analyzed every piece of data I could, thought of all the possible possibilities I could generate. (Within reason. I kind of left out all the XSXP types as I have NOOOO Se.)

I realized INFJ was not fitting well about a few weeks ago when it kept coming up that I'm way too critical, blunt and have way too much of a struggle with comforting people (as in, I tend to give advice instead of comfort) for that. So, the first thought was 'maybe, INTP, I'm pretty sure I have Fe and Ti.' Back then I was certain I had a rather strong Fe. But the logical-ness of the INTP seemed so weird with the fact that I am emotional (though, not particularly emotionally driven, I've found) and fussy. What further got me bent out of shape is that I was utterly convinced I have an NF bent because I have such humanitarian interests. (Though, to be fair, I seem much more interested in learning/thinking about and understanding social issues than I am in becoming an activist. )

So... I tried to think of every other possibility and obsessively exhausted all of them. The two others I almost settled on were INFP and ESFJ/ISFJ. INFP basically didn't work because I have a very obvious Ti and my friend (INTJ) who happens to have a ton of INFP friends was all like 'yeah, no, you do not have Fi' and I had to concede to that after she gave me her reasoning. [In fact, she was the first person who was utterly convinced I was an NT type (specifically an INTP)]. So, I thought maybe ISFJ and superficially it almost fit. But...

In the end, I realized that the worse my mood is, the more I try to be like an ISFJ. The key word here is try. It comes off as rather forced an unnatural. I've basically had people tell me it's like I force myself to be accommodating when I'd rather rip out and critique things. That when I let go, I'm really more blunt and logical than anything else. I get fussy and rule stickler-y and lost in the past... but only when I'm completely freaked out.

As a kid, I was this heads in the clouds little thing, always off in my dream world of Ne possibilities or building my own realities. I was harsh and critical and really liked to speak my mind. Rules, authority, being proper and all that meant diddly-squat to me.

So... what changed? Three things had a major influence on how I developed. The first is that I was really horribly bullied all the way up to high school and in high school, I was still 'that weird' girl. It made me feel pretty isolated and like there's something wrong with me. Like being who I am is not okay. The second is my parents. I'll save you the gory details and sum it up in that we have this horrible relationship that borders on abusive with them. They basically confirmed everything my peers said. "Yeah, people don't like you because you're weird. You need to work on your social skills." And while I probably did (and really still do) need to work on my social skills, hearing that from my parents really wasn't helpful. The third is really a mix between anxiety and insecurity. I have clinical anxiety and well, I'm pretty sure I'm an enneagram type 5. (I'm still figuring out the wing.) My biggest fear is being incompetent. Which manifests in a lot of ways, but in relation to this, I feel very socially incompetent.

So, what did I do? Well, there was one, dark, dark year in middle school where I said 'fuck the world, I'll be whoever I want to be.' And I was this self centered jerk who only followed my own rules (ex. I refused to turn in homework because it was too easy and therefor I was above doing it) and basically was highly unpleasant, though pretty creatively productive. I did end up meeting my best friend, an INFP, who kind of, oddly enough, helped ground me and pretty much kept my more insensitive traits in check. (He's still my main social anchor.)

After a few years of working through things, I tried to morph myself (mostly subconsciously) into someone likable, falling back on my inferior functions. I still stayed very imaginative, idea and abstract concept focus and analytical... but I became a bit of a rule and social norms stickler (or tried to be. I'm still not very good at recognizing them, though I am rather good at following recipes). I also tried to learn to listen better, learn to be more accommodating. And it kind of worked.

Sounds almost healthy, right? Except... well, I'm behaving in a way that's really counter-intuitive to me. It's taxing and stressful and actually makes me more insecure. Like my friends tell me, I try and force myself to be accommodating. I personally notice myself getting so lost in rules and social propriety that I'm afraid to do anything. The only place I really am me is in an academic or creative environment (I'm a math major who does art and writes as a hobby). That's where I analyze things, generate ideas, problem solve, all the lovely stuff that makes me feel like -me-/get pumped up.

But outside of that realm I'm so paralyzed with fear and insecurity that I become utterly ineffective or utterly annoying.

Basically... an unhealthy INTP can look like a kind of underdeveloped ESFJ/ISFJ (fussy and rule stickler-y without the tactful and responsible side).

Si and Fe are very valuable tools when not used as a fallback. My Si sometimes really feeds in well with my Ne when I'm in creative mode, helping me recall the data and facts I need as inspiration to generate ideas and concepts or when I'm trying to analyze things. And Fe is great for being able to emphasize with people... I actually kind of wish mine was better developed because it would be rather nice to actually be aware of appropriate social behavior rather than constantly having to ask 'is what I'm doing appropriate????' and feeling unsure.

I'm still trying to figure out how really address this imbalance as my inferior function are rather naively developed but overused. Mostly, I'd love it if my Si would pop as a memory/fact check function and help me keep track of things instead of popping up as a 'noooo, you can't do this, it's dangerous!!!' function more often.


....

On a less detailed note, I would like to add that I'm pretty sure INTPs can also go the opposite way, completely ignoring their inferior functions. At least, I've kind of observed a trend among rationals where we tend to be VERY critical of sensors and feelers. To the point of completely dismissing any good traits S-types and F-types have and to the point of dismissing how useful and applicable the Se/Si and Fe/Fi functions are. It can manifest in being very egotistical, very callus, very overall ass-holey. Which is annoying on it's own, but it's also crippling.

For example, an INTP without a good use of Si can still come up with really great ideas and systems... but those systems won't have any sort of grounding. Without a memory bank of facts to build off of, and INTP can get stuck or come up with way off ideas.

Rationals in general can get what I would dub a intellectual-superiority-boner. We can think we know everything soooooo much better than everyone else and kind of mentally jack off to it and not realize just how stupid we are. Or use our smarts as kind of a 'well, I'm smart so I'm important,' crutch.

There're also rationals who subscribe to 'logical' ideologies without really considering if they are logical or just ideologies that scorn emotion/less rational things. Ex. I have a huge problem with mainstream atheists for this reason, and I say this as an atheist. A lot of them just flat out condemn religion and uphold science in an almost religious way, forgetting that science is very much influenced by the society in which it originates. (You have to look no further than Eugenics movement to see how ridiculously bias science can be). However, a lot of rationals identify strongly with mainstream atheists.

Basically, another unhealthy way INTPs and rationals in general could go is trying to be so rational that they actually become irrational.

....

But, these later things are just my musings. The people I spend the most time with are two INFPs, an INTJ, an ISFJ and an ENTJ, so I can't really speak for INTPs other than my rather strangely developed self. (Though, if I don't sound very INTP here, feel free to say so. It seemed like the most reasonable conclusion to reach, but hey, typing is confusing and complicated sometimes. )

This actually fits with my situation in every way, except I have fe grip alot. Pure hell I tell you. But thanks for informing me, I my brain can finally be quiet about how that one time I acted like a ESFJ. Time to develop NE and fix a fucked function, see ya!

 

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Thoughtful post, but I wanted to add more about shadow functions. I have read that INTPs under stress appear as ESFJ's but have never bougnt into it. Wish I could find the source of a detailed post I read on another forum because it's much more technical
Our shadow functions in order and how we could act under extreme stress are:

Te - This could happen when you're in a heated argument with someone and they start to become dismissive of your opinions. You begin to assert your opinions more as facts. Ti logic goes out the window and you're locked in because you don't know how to reason with that person. *See also: Debate forum on PerC for numerous examples.
Ni - Doubting how you came to your conclusions. Losing what you believed was tangible evidence (including the argument which you are also now quite emotionally invested in).
Se - Being pushed to the point of responding physically. Breaking stuff. Throwing a tantrum. Crying.
Fi - Having an identity crisis. Wondering if everything you thought you understood needed to be re-examined.

So really, those functions in reverse order are ENTJ-like. An unhealthy INTP could appear to be some combination of the above.
I tend to think healthy/unhealthy of a type is all bullshit. We all have moments of doubt and angst. Sometimes even over an extended period of time. Another way of phrasing them are "growing pains" or "mid life crisis," aka Ti-Si loops.

 

Basically what this guy said so long ago:

INTP/ISFJ: Ti/Si or Si/Ti--Schizotypal Personality Disorder. I see this most commonly in INTP dom/tert loops (Ti+Si), resulting in totally giving up on attempting to obtain the social/interpersonal connections that inferior Fe drives them to unconsciously desire. Schizotypal people are seen (and typically see themselves) as having such unusual thoughts and behaviors that widespread social acceptance is nearly impossible. Ti thinks, "I cannot find any logical explanation for social rituals" and Si reinforces this self-isolating, risk-averse behavior by constantly reminding the user: "Remember how badly this went last time you tried?" If Ne were doing its job, it would remind the user to continue experimenting to find a new approach. In the ISFJ version, Si becomes ultra risk-averse and refuses to try anything new or unfamiliar. If Fe were doing its job, the ISFJ would learn that some risk is necessary in order to uphold obligations to others and avoid living in total solitude. Deep down, these types really do want social connection and ritual (Fe), but have found themselves so poor at it that they simply give up trying.

 

And it never ends...

 

sup

 

This:
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This:
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...That's...actually the way I've been, lately...

yeah well. give yourself 20 years and see how many fucks you give about impressing women about anything like that. and just, don't slurp your soup. especially in public. It's EMBARRASSING for anyone you're with! hhaha

Unless you're in Korea...

 

A sociopathic, suicidal, antisocial genius I would presume

 

Under stress I become even more INTPish. When I'm angry, I can become ENTPish. I can't think of a time where I've ever acted like an ESFJ. If I was wasted drunk and in a great mood someone might think I was an ENFP but it wouldn't take much digging to find out I wasn't.

I think a big clue you were dealing with an unhealthy INTP would be very patterned behaviors. This goes for all personality types. Healthier types I think tend to be more adaptable. If you are not prone to feeling a lot of ups and downs but are feeling a lot of ups and downs in your dealings with them they probably aren't the healthiest person. Paranoia can also be a bit of a red flag. I think a lot of their behavior would be fear based too. Not saying they couldn't make great friends despite all that but perhaps not relationship material.

 

Simply put ... They are Giver uppers

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Simply put ... They are Giver uppers

Well, post a story or something.

 

unhealthy entp = charlie brown. unhealthy intp =

sorry guys. but you're both still cute

 

Except I don't leave a trail of dust. It's usually toilet paper.

 

for the record. I used to know an INTP in his 40's who was the same. so gross. he'd go manic and forget to shower. if he had a full head of hair surely he would notice his hair was dirty and shower I thought. but no .. apparently later as I found out, this was not the case. I must confess, it always kinda irked me. he showered of course to go out and stuff but over time you see people in their own element and I always thought ... ewwwwwwwwww .... hahaha. it was one of the things that kinda killed it for me. just sayin. you might want to change that slackee habit.

that and he had HORRIBLE table manners. I'm NOT the etiquette police but seriously. the guy ate his food like he just got out of the penitentiary. I even told him once, "no one's going to take it away from you" thinking he would kinda curb that but, no. never happened. it was sorta embarrassing. like going out to dinner with Big Foot or something. hahaha! omg I feel terrible saying it!

but yeah. hygiene and manners matter.

 

Fucking INFJs.

INTPs aren't dirty any more than you are.

*shiver*

Take it easy, sugar.

 

It's a question that's been asked before, but the old threads I skimmed through seemed to be mostly about troubleshooting issues with one particular INTP rather than discussing generalities about the type as a whole. The latter is the sort of thing I'm after.

So, here's the question: what are the traits and behaviours of an unhealthy INTP?

It makes sense for the threads to be about dealing with one particular INTP. I think that we cannot pinpoint what an unhealthy INTP will look like in a more general sense. We all come from different upbringings, blasted with different cultural values and we have lived different lives and thus we might be fucked up in completely different ways (or be fucked up the same but for different reasons).

What I wonder though is - didn't you notice some problems arising more often than others while skimming through those threads?

 

Well, sure, but I really did skim. Life is short and there's a lot of internet out there.

 

I think an unhealthy INTP is one who has spent too much time as a recluse, not by choice, but because they don't realise how easily they slip into an easy routine. We're certainly ones for finding what is most comfortable for us, which is fine but can be detrimental to our ability to 'cope' with anything else.

I for one got into an awful study routine during my exam period. I wasn't spending time alone because I would study with a friend and often socialised with my flatmates, but it all became so routine that anything away from this pattern was quite a social shock to me. I had to meet the principle of the university and I was an utter bag of nerves, it was horrible. I know that in my more vibrant and varied days I can hand such social interactions with relative ease.

So yes, I think the most notable sign of an unhealthy INTP is extreme social anxiety, because they've forgotten what 'normal life' is like outside of their usual cycle.

 

I'm not sure if it's even possible for me to do anything outside of my "usual cycle".

 

I am trying to figure it out how ESFJ could be a shadow of INTP. I have all the tools to study this matter because I am very close with ESFJ. Sometimes we even see the same way but every outcome of our collaboration is very disappointing to me or I just back down from the whole process. As a result of this this ESFJ sees me as a weird person who completly doesn't suport her. I often question myself if I am INTP ( subconscious I wish I was not) because I have never meet a INTP before. The whole typing thing helps me understand why people are the way there are, that they are not stupid, they just see things differently. On the topic of unhealthy INTP I think if we unhealthy we use a lot of Fe instead of Ti, we become unpredictable and starting showing our emotions, critiquing. Whenever I talk to ESFJ I always hear about values, someone who doesn't respect values, or just pure random stupid stuff or tales about people I don't care about. When I am not myself I start criticize people. But I don't see how all the functions could be reverse. Oh, and does the shadow functions actually mean that this ESFJ sometimes is an INTP..ok I don't get it this shadow functions. Any way I could provide a very wide spectrum of observation to this matter, sadly my abilities to explain this in English are poor

 

The way I understand it, the cognitive functions mbti attributes to someone are the ones that are used the most with stress not playing much of a factor. Anyone can engage in any function, but it's not a natural state for someone to be in. Under extreme stress, all of the usual natural functions are not cutting it so in order to relieve this feeling one resorts to thinking completely differently - and this would amount to exchanging every natural function for its shadow. The shadow functions are diametrically opposed to the natural functions.

ESFJ's thrive off of encouragement, I would recommend taking the time to compliment them, but try to be honest about it as well.

 

 

I think we are al a little unhealthy in some way, shape or form.

 

Feeling useless/worthless to the point that they completely shut down, and start doubting their self worth, entirely.

'I don't feel pretty.'

My dad is an INTP. When the economy tanked, he was unemployed for 2 years, but instead of using that time to do...well, anything, he entirely shut down. Bathing regularly, interacting, any sort of productivity whatsoever went out the window. The most intelligent man I've ever known starts saying how he doesn't even think he's even employable anymore. It was horrible. And horrible for everyone involved. He's such an incredible emotional vacuum, and has the ability to suck everyone's happiness out, simply through his own misery. I seriously have never known any other person with that power. It's like watching a puppy drown.

(I'm happy to report that he's now making 6 figures, and while nowhere near healthy, is at least feeling challenged and fulfilled.)

I dunno if these are across the board INTP things, but there's my experience with an unhealthy INTP.

 

Feeling useless/worthless to the point that they completely shut down, and start doubting their self worth, entirely.

'I don't feel pretty.'

My dad is an INTP. When the economy tanked, he was unemployed for 2 years, but instead of using that time to do...well, anything, he entirely shut down. Bathing regularly, interacting, any sort of productivity whatsoever went out the window. The most intelligent man I've ever known starts saying how he doesn't even think he's even employable anymore. It was horrible. And horrible for everyone involved. He's such an incredible emotional vacuum, and has the ability to suck everyone's happiness out, simply through his own misery. I seriously have never known any other person with that power. It's like watching a puppy drown.

I dunno if these are across the board INTP things, but there's my experience with an unhealthy INTP.

Those are "clinical depression" things. Although, everyone is different, and I'm pretty similar to what you described. Not sure there's any way out of my rut though. Already pissed away most of my "best" years...

 

A PC member

 

This is a good illustration

 

My guess is: unhealthy shut ins who rarely socialize..don't get enough sunshine..don't eat properly..irregular sleep schedule..computer/video game addicts..allow themselves to get lost in their brain and ignore reality (and their own personal hygiene/environment)..in other words, an extreme hermit crab.

Or even worse (possibly a result from chronic hermit crabitis): Becoming a nihilist, depressed, insane, suicidal, homicidal.

Or maybe this:

 

My guess is: unhealthy shut ins who rarely socialize [...] don't eat properly [...] computer/video game addicts [...] allow themselves to get lost in their brain and ignore reality (and their own environment)

Or even worse (possibly a result from chronic hermit crabitis): Becoming a nihilist, depressed, [...] suicidal

Yeah, that's my life since I was 13. Unfortunately I've been an adult for several years and I haven't managed to change shit.