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Hello. This is an INFP male here. I suffer from a pschological condition known as love shyness, most often associated with Asperger's, ADD, and Social Anxiety. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the term, here's wikipedia's definition:

Quoting wikipedia:
"Love-shyness is a specific type of severe chronic shyness that impairs or prevents intimate relationships.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] It implies a degree of inhibition and reticence with potential partners that is sufficiently severe to preclude participation in courtship, marriage and family roles.[SUP][3][/SUP] According to this definition, love-shy people find it difficult if not impossible to be assertive in informal situations involving potential romantic or sexual partners. For example, a heterosexual love-shy man will have trouble initiating conversations with women because of strong feelings of social anxiety."

I have a few quesstions regarding loveshyness and loveshys, as we're called:

1. Do you have loveshyness? Or if not, do you know anyone with the condition or who you suspect may have the condition?
2. If so, when did you first learn about it or find out that you had it?
3. For both INtroverts (lol) and loveshys, what is your relationship experience? How many relationships have you been in? Are you still a virgin? How far have you been with a romantic partner?
4. Is loveshyness more prominent in the introverted types, especially the INxx types?
5. What is a lonely, male INFP (i.e. me) to do regarding his condition?
6. Are certain types (eg INFP) and genders (eg male) more prone to this condition than others?
7. How do you deal with your loveshyness? For male loveshys, how do you deal with the contradiction between your condition and society's expected role for us as the "Assertive" gender?

I'm kinda lonely and I want to meet some other INxx loveshys who have had little romantic experience with me. By the way, I have practically none.
 
If something causes anxiety, the thing to do is to expose yourself to that repeatedly till it no longer triggers an anxious response.

So practice by making eye contact with women, then start talking to as many girls as possible, try chatting up people in public.

Eventually it won't really faze you.

Then if you're regularly having conversations with women, you can start asking people out, which I found surprisingly easy, because all it takes is a little honesty, warm eye contact and genuine respect for the other person.

You need small concrete actions, small steps, instead of obsessing about it. Do, don't analyze in circles.
 
If something causes anxiety, the thing to do is to expose yourself to that repeatedly till it no longer triggers an anxious response.

So practice by making eye contact with women, then start talking to as many girls as possible, try chatting up people in public.

Eventually it won't really faze you.

Then if you're regularly having conversations with women, you can start asking people out, which I found surprisingly easy, because all it takes is a little honesty, warm eye contact and genuine respect for the other person.

You need small concrete actions, small steps, instead of obsessing about it. Do, don't analyze in circles.
This doesn't work as well as you think, because INFP males are only compatible long-term with a very small percentage of the female population. Probably even smaller among the women most INFP males encounter offline.

Consider that shyness is partly a reaction to perceived rejection. To some extent, it might be real, for males who don't have what most women want. On that point, I think most love-shy males should work on appearance-related factors, like clothing, posture, and body language (agreed on the eye contact).

I heard about love-shyness years ago. I wouldn't call myself love-shy now. I expect that it's most common in INFP men and then INFJ men.

By the way, I understand why the term is applied to men, but I think it could apply to women in some cases, such as going mute and getting an urge to flee when talking to an attractive man.
 
By the way, I understand why the term is applied to men, but I think it could apply to women in some cases, such as going mute and getting an urge to flee when talking to an attractive man.
yes. I was quite shy and still am in some ways. When I initiated interest however, it wasn't effective. I was easily intimidated or nervous when speaking with someone I found interesting or attractive. Early on, I was so awkward that sometimes I'd just stare at the person and smile too widely. :laughing: So, not limited to women alone. I've lost a good amount of the social shyness but the loveshyness is still there sometimes but in smaller doses.
 
Yes, I'm deeply love shy. I have social anxiety in general, but this problem with romantic relationships has the strongest effect on my life. I have had a relationship before and it was long term. Other than that, I've asked a girl out on a date once in my life, I've never been able to do that at any other time. I don't have a problem speaking to women in general. I have female friends. The problem is purely to do with romantic relationships.

I'm going to see a psychologist about it. I feel it's a problem that needs to be solved.
 
By the definition Wikipedia gives, i might consider myself love-shy. However, I think my love-shyness stems from bad relationships and bad experiences with men in my past. I need to learn to move past it, but it's extremely difficult when one has been used and abused as much as I have. I'm very submissive so I tend to not stand up for myself when I'm treated horribly. I think jerks pick up on my submissive nature and try to chat me up only to get a standoffish attitude. I really don't need a relationship right now anyways. I need to ficus on me and getting my life in order.
 
I had "all-shyness", not only love-shyness, once. I love the challenge of developing romantic relationships, so it's not an issue for me (it was once, though.) I love sharing, looking in the eyes, etc., and am quite confident once I am in such position. The problem with me is that I have a very complex value/thought processing system which inhibits me from asking strangers out-I would only ask out those people I am already familiar with, not total strangers. And even then, I am very careful about who I ask out in the first place, IF I ever do. Once I am dating, I feel very comfortable, save I am not one to try to go physical at first (out of respect for the lady, and because I need to be really attracted/"in love" before getting to that step.) I do not lack confidence anymore, so for me dating a person I like is a very fun, non-problematic process. The difficult thing for me is getting a date in the first place, not dating perse, if that makes sense. In the past, my crippling shyness and general lack of confidence wouldn't have let me properly date at all, but I believe we can all work hard to overcome these fears-I don't believe extreme shyness to be an issue anymore in my life, although of course I am still introverted.

In short, I lack "love-shyness", but it doesn't mean that the process is easy for me, because I find it difficult to date people in the first place due to my introverted nature and set of values. I am not shy, but won't go out of my way to ask out on dates people unless I know them well and see possible compatibility somewhere. In fact, asking out a lady is not a problem; finding the right person to ask out is.

Let me briefly answer your questions:

1. Do you have loveshyness? Or if not, do you know anyone with the condition or who you suspect may have the condition?

Not sure if I had it-I think I did, but it was overall shyness, not only romance-related.

2. If so, when did you first learn about it or find out that you had it?

I read about it a few years ago when I was bursting out of my bubble (long story.) I developed confidence, so as I said above, love-shyness is not a problem-finding dates is.

3. For both INtroverts (lol) and loveshys, what is your relationship experience? How many relationships have you been in? Are you still a virgin? How far have you been with a romantic partner?

You are touching different subjects, nto necessarily tied with love-shyness, although they could be. I've had several true love experiences, but only one relationship for over 4 years, which was quite strange, although she cared for me in her own way (even though she used me as well, but she's not that bad of a person-I was too lacking in confidence back then as well, so it wasn't meant to be after 2008).

I am still a "virgin" but am not innocent. I had opportunities but turned them down. This is a non-issue for me as being a virgin or not is not important to me, and caring about it seems rather trivial to me. We shouldn't care for what society says, one way or the other. If you are virgin, it's all good- if you aren't, it's all good too. I don't understand why it's so bad, as anybody could lose his/her virginity for its own sake-but I would never have sex for its own sake, and only with a person I love and am comfortable with (the relationship above wasn't very physical, although clearly there was love involved-it is too complex to explain, because we both had our own difficulties to deal with-I really cannot elaborate on the matter without violating my friend's privacy.) So yes, I am still a virgin according to society, but I don't see how it matters at all-it's not as if I was a "saint" or asexual.

I have not had another true relationship since 2008. That lady I knew from my music school's days, since 2003-2008, with many of these years being a long-distance relationship (2+, if I remember correctly). I've dated via okcupid since, but not asking anybody out offline-so far, it's been online only, although not necessarily by choice. I never dated until 2004 (perhaps even later), with the above friend (mostly intentionally, as I focused a lot on my music studies, and dating was off my radar for many reasons, including the fact that I entered my twenties thinking that I may never have any relationship at all, and was rather ok with it somehow-deep down, I DID want a relationship, though, and it is one of the reasons I moved out of there back then into NYC.)

4. Is loveshyness more prominent in the introverted types, especially the INxx types?

I cannot answer this, but I imagine so. I don't doubt there are "love-shy" ISxxs as well depending their background, and it wouldn't surprise me if a few extroverts had this problem.

5. What is a lonely, male INFP (i.e. me) to do regarding his condition?

I believe human relationships are a skill. Or a set of skills. You have to practice, but also have a great self-image-by this I don't mean that you must be better looking that anyone else, but that you have a healthy sense of self. You take care of yourself, and are proud of who you are, what you do, and what you believe in. Develop your own unique persona-dare to be different while still being yourself. While developing this unshakable confidence I talk about, you also start working on human relationship skills-looking at people in the eyes (that's ok, don't be afraid, although it is an art and needs practice), standing up for your beliefs, talking with confidence and poise (practice, practice, practice), asking things from people without fear, not being afraid to make mistakes (therefore, taking public risks), losing communication awkwardness (we can all be social introverts, so don't feel you can't be social just because you are INxx, etc.), dare to say what you feel without fear of ridicule or mockery, etc., etc., etc.

6. Are certain types (eg INFP) and genders (eg male) more prone to this condition than others?

Doubt it is an "INFP condition". INFPs are not inherently flawed human beings. They are as capable of happiness as ANY other type. They have to work harder at some stuff, but also have little problem with things that would be harder for, say, an ENTJ. I would say it would be more common with very shy types, regardless type. But remember, being INFP is not a "malady", much less a curse that must prevent personal fulfillment (even being a male INFP, which a few individuals seem to have a problem with.)

I believe a lady could be love-shy as well, perhaps as much as any other shy male-I imagine the reason it's not frequently mentioned for females is that society has these old cliches that nobody should care about, such as the man ALWAYS having to initiate, etc. which as sheer BS. It doesn't matter who initiates (both sexes should be able to, give then right opportunity/ideal situation), but that's another subject. I think a few ladies above mentioned they are or have been love-shy at some point.

7. How do you deal with your loveshyness? For male loveshys, how do you deal with the contradiction between your condition and society's expected role for us as the "Assertive" gender?

I am not love-shy; however, if you want my advice, don't give a darn about what society says about "assertiveness." Be assertive your own way. Be confident. Be yourself. This doesn't mean that you must be an extrovert. That you must be a jerk, nor arrogant. But you do have to develop your confidence, as I've mentioned before. Be a social introvert-develop human relationship skills, which I am sure you already have, since you are expressing yourself in here. Develop your communication skills, and don't be afraid of ladies romantically (easier said than done, in your particular "love-shy" case.) ALSO, remember that not every lady out there is meant for you-don't feel bad about rejection, etc. It is OK not to be liked, because we are not meant to be loved by everybody in the world, even though, as you say, everybody is beautiful. If somebody says no to you, you are probably better of-BOTH of you, so it's a win-win situation. We can always learn from our mistakes, and it's not always our fault" if somebody rejects us. People may in fact just not be attracted to us, with may have nothing to do with your current love-shyness. All you can do for now besides developing healthy self-love and confidence, is to practice a LOT so you can finally overcome this current love-shy situation. You'll be more assertive in due time, if you work hard at it, but don't worry too much about being "a normal, assertive guy", because you are yourself, and not just "normal."

What worked for me for shyness (general, not just love-shyness) was what I mentioned above. It may not help you at all, but you would be wise to at least considering the benefits of having unshakable confidence, developing an unique sense of self, and working at all your interpersonal skills, day by day. There will be a day in which you'll no longer be love-shy, but you gotta build into it, step by step-it can be done, for I know how shy I used to be, and how I no longer care about exposing myself, despite the fact that I am still very much an introvert.
 
I was thinking that love shyness seem to refer to an extreme situation. Ocassionally feeling awkward with somebody you like may be normal. Even extroverted, non-shy individuals ocassionally don't know what to say or do in a relationship, or may feel nervous. Much like a bit of shyness is ok, and crippling shyness (or deep social anxiety) is not as good.

Also, lack of familiarity on anything makes us feel uneasy-as we get more familiar with the unfamiliar, we stop fearing the unknown as much. And that's why we must all keep practicing those social skills with whom we may be less familiar with.

I wish I had a definite answer, though. I know how it feels to be terribly shy. All I know is that if it's currently making us unhappy, we should work on it so that it no longer remains a problem-to avoid doing nothing to change our situation while deep down we know there's a problem that needs to be dealt with.
 
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Yes, I'm deeply love shy. I have social anxiety in general, but this problem with romantic relationships has the strongest effect on my life. I have had a relationship before and it was long term. Other than that, I've asked a girl out on a date once in my life, I've never been able to do that at any other time. I don't have a problem speaking to women in general. I have female friends. The problem is purely to do with romantic relationships.
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Ditto :D It's like I'm a great guy friend but nothing more... :dry:
 
Ditto :D It's like I'm a great guy friend but nothing more... :dry:
That's fine-it probably means that these ladies who only think of you as a great guy friend are not meant for you, if they wouldn't consider you romantically. Just be a true friend, and don't harbor hidden romantic feelings for them. If you have feelings for them, let them know-the friendship doesn't have to end due to this if she "rejects" you. Sometimes guys complain about only being "guy friends" to the ladies they like, but I wonder if they ever let them know that they are interested in them romantically (if they are)? "Symbols of love" are not enough; you have to be quite direct in stating your intentions. But if after having made your intentions clear, they still see you only as a great friend, consider that a boon, and not a curse-just stop having romantic feelings for them, as you should, and think of them as the true friends they probably are.

Again, it's OK not to be liked romantically. It may be "you fault", but it might as well be nobody's fault. If you like somebody very much, LET HER KNOW SOME WAY, SOMEHOW. And if she doesn't reciprocate, just keep being a friend and forget about her romantically-you deserve to be loved back, so don't live hoping for a miracle or a change of heart.
 
Yeah I'm pretty loveshy. I noticed it when I started to like this one girl more than I had ever liked any girl before but for some reason I found it impossible to try and take the realionship to the romantic level. Still a virgin and I don't really see that changing anytime soon because I have such a hard time talking to the opposite sex and meeting people for me causes a whole ton of anxiety. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a connection between INxx and this. For me personally I don't really have a way of dealing with it I just accept the fact that for me stuff like this is hard to do, not impossible but very hard.
 
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Yeah I'm pretty loveshy. I noticed it when I started to like this one girl more than I had ever liked any girl before but for some reason I found it impossible to try and take the realionship to the romantic level. Still a virgin and I don't really see that changing anytime soon because I have such a hard time talking to the opposite sex and meeting people for me causes a whole ton of anxiety. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a connection between INxx and this. For me personally I don't really have a way of dealing with it I just accept the fact that for me stuff like this is hard to do, not impossible but very hard.
Exact same situation as I am... Lonely INFP's Unite! Lol :D

^_^ *Friendship hug*
 
This doesn't work as well as you think, because INFP males are only compatible long-term with a very small percentage of the female population. Probably even smaller among the women most INFP males encounter offline.
Well, it worked for me. And I wish someone would have taught me what I had to learn mostly on my own.

I've read that NFs don't do well in relationships till they get mature enough to realize their ideals are in their head and a good guide, but then there is also the actual world and actual people that create meaningful concrete interactions.

My Creative Writing prof kept repeating "show, don't tell", and that applies to dealing with women as well. It counts more to be able to play a guitar or give an inspirational speech, and let people experience that, than sit there
and try to convince them that they should invest in you because of how good you are or because of how much it means to you.

The whole point of dating is to do some activity with someone and figure out if you mesh together well. It's always better to know how to be create a romantic or seductive situation where you can kiss someone, then be all like: "I like you."

I'm starting to hate threads like this. Just a whole bunch of rationalizations, and no one actually seems to be open to doing anything different.

But for the record, I know at least 4 INFP men, and especially the ones close to 30, are calm, eloquent, deep, charming, and project a very inward, non-pushy sort of confidence, that is just incredibly sexy. There are actually a lot of benefits to being male and infp.

The best thing to do is to go to college/university and be around more N types. Secondly, if you're really young and inexperienced, you should actually try with someone who knows what they're doing and can teach you (like a woman in her late twenties). Older women are easier for an INFP to deal with in general, because they have the skills to negotiate what they want better, and it's easier to respond to them. Keep in mind that young girls don't have the know-how to navigate dating too well either, and sometimes they can create a ton of confusion by doing stuff like playing hard to get, testing you to make sure you're into them, and caring too much what their social group thinks. Just take a foreign language class and get extra help from the TA (who's probably a grad student). The whole teaching-learning dynamic is incredibly hot to begin with. :p Or like a self-defence class. Or anything else where there is a recurring activity is perfect for an INFP.

I don't understand why it's so bad, as anybody could lose his/her virginity for its own sake-but I would never have sex for its own sake, and only with a person I love and am comfortable with (the relationship above wasn't very physical, although clearly there was love involved-it is too complex to explain, because we both had our own difficulties to deal with-I really cannot elaborate on the matter without violating my friend's privacy.) So yes, I am still a virgin according to society, but I don't see how it matters at all-it's not as if I was a "saint" or asexual.

I have not had another true relationship since 2008. That lady I knew from my music school's days, since 2003-2008, with many of these years being a long-distance relationship (2+, if I remember correctly). I've dated via okcupid since, but not asking anybody out offline-so far, it's been online only, although not necessarily by choice. I never dated until 2004 (perhaps even later), with the above friend (mostly intentionally, as I focused a lot on my music studies, and dating was off my radar for many reasons, including the fact that I entered my twenties thinking that I may never have any relationship at all, and was rather ok with it somehow-deep down, I DID want a relationship, though, and it is one of the reasons I moved out of there back then into NYC.)
First of all, please stop calling women you don't know, "lady". Women are human beings with personalities, desires, problems, struggles, lives and flaws. Some are better people than others, and either way they need to earn respect just like everyone else. They are not empty idols upon which you can project your own internal ideals of worship and adoration, much like icons in the Orthodox church. They're not fetishistic objects that embody your chivalrous or submissive fantasies.

The part where you consider someone you weren't in a relationship with, but knew for 2 years, to be an actual relationship, is also creepy as hell.

Like, I'm not only being this direct not to hurt your feelings, but because I don't think you realize how creepy that is.

Ditto :D It's like I'm a great guy friend but nothing more... :dry:
Well, if you have that problem, then simply stop going out of your way to do nice things for girls. Being thoughtful and considerate should be reserved for times when the person is actually in need of help. Like if they're sick. You can also go and volunteer and help street kids or volunteer in community organizations, and that's actually very fulfilling, because the people there actually need someone giving and kind.

And especially don't try to ingratiate yourself with a girl by being overly nice, when you actually want to date her, because everyone, including myself, hates being manipulated and cajoled into a relationship.
 
First of all, please stop calling women you don't know, "lady". Women are human beings with personalities, desires, problems, struggles, lives and flaws. Some are better people than others, and either way they need to earn respect just like everyone else. They are not empty idols upon which you can project your own internal ideals of worship and adoration, much like icons in the Orthodox church. They're not fetishistic objects that embody your chivalrous or submissive fantasies. (You obviously have no idea that I always refer to women as "ladies"-it is the way I write, and has been so for a long, long time. It has nothing to do with "chivalry", nor me "worshipping them", etc. You assumed way too much about myself, values, and ideals based on that word. I invite you to read posts dating from last year, to see if I have written any differently. Your "poetic" statement is rather offensive and demeaning of somebody you evidently know nothing about. When have I ever hinted that ladies are "fetishistic objects" that embody my "submissive fantasies?" Way to overreact to the "lady" word.)

The part where you consider someone you weren't in a relationship with, but knew for 2 years, to be an actual relationship, is also creepy as hell. (Again, you judge me on a situation you know NOTHING about. I knew her all that time, from 2003 until today. We were close since 2004-2008, when I decided to move on in a different direction. I don't know where you got those "facts", but I never said that I was in a relationship with her without she knowing it over 2 years. We were close all that time, so I find it extremely insulting that you pretend to be the judge of what you don't know, to the extent of finding it "creppy as hell"-you, sir, are trollish as hell (and see how I call you "sir", even though you haven't earned that "honor"? It's just the way I write, so stop assuming things about people you don't know.)

Like, I'm not only being this direct not to hurt your feelings, but because I don't think you realize how creepy that is. (I have nothing to realize, as I am sure you are the only one who found it creepy, because you filled in the gaps as you saw fit, departing from the facts as written. It doesn't hurt my feelings, but it is a very callous/offensive comment, not to mention ignorant.)
Save your aggression for worthy causes, not to unjustly attack fellow forum members. If you are going to be offensive, at least make sure it's well deserved, and that you are not overreacting or misinterpreting what people say. Also, if you disagree with any value of mine, which is OK, you don't have to make it a huge, immature personal attack as the one above.


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1. Do you have loveshyness? Or if not, do you know anyone with the condition or who you suspect may have the condition?

No, I don't have it. Yes, I actually think my old infp friend may have it. She becomes incapable of speaking her mind or saying anything potentially comprosising. It's even worse when she's in a relationship. This girl lived ten minutes WALKING distance from her boyfriend, and they saw eachother maybe once a month. This REALLY bothered her adn she thought about it constantly, but she was INCAPABLE of asking him to hang out more for fear of pressuring him, maybe he was rejecting her, maybe he'd react badly, maybe he was tired of her, was it her fault for not taking the initiative, did he think she was uninterested, was he uninterested in HER, so she spent the next month typing out facebook messages to send to him, tweaking a sentence to sound as unaccusatory as possible, and in the end scrappign every single one. I was just amazed. It was impossible for her to say, "I want to see you more" t her own boyfriend. She spent tons of time THINKIGN about it, btu she just couldn't put any thoughts out there or risk in any way.

2. If so, when did you first learn about it or find out that you had it?
First learned about it here, not sure to what degree I believe in it's validity as I think these things can change with experience, and I don't have it.

3. For both INtroverts (lol) and loveshys, what is your relationship experience? How many relationships have you been in? Are you still a virgin? How far have you been with a romantic partner?

Not a loveshy but an IN. I've had boys like me but up to high school I had a very hard time with establishing romantic relationships. Guys would be too sexual but I didn't respect them. I had certain standards and I also wanted to be let into someone's world. I was searching for someone who could show me their insides. That is how I prefer to relate to people and I found most young males boring and surface-y, and was frustrated with what I foud to be shallow-ness and lack of realness or complexity. I rejected all the males interested in me in high school. Some guys I would like from a dsitance because of their vibe, but these feelings were never realized-- sometimes I'd get to know more about them and see they lacked integrity, moral character, or real deepness, or they thought I was a weirdo. There was one guy I really liked who showed interest in me but I didn't know how to go about it-- in middle school I had a similar experience of someone I just worshipped and was probably in love with, in one sense of the word, who I would ahve liked to be with, and for a while he recirpocated, but I was not sure how to behave or how to establsih connection and I basically became the weird girl they didn't know what to do with. I had one boyfriend in middle school but he mad me so nervous I dumped him in maybe a month, cause we rarely talked adn when we did it was stilted adn awkard... I could feel my face flame whenever he was around. This unfortunately made him chase me harder and we went out two more times, with me dumping him eachtime. In retrospect, I didn't ahve he skills ot relate to him or tell him, "I am not dumping you cause of you, but because I feel unable to relate to you and fear you will become disillisoined with me so I'm going to beat you to the punch." My senior year of highschool smoeone reached out to me and really made me feel capable of loving and being loved. I think they fostered a certain assertiveness just be making me see these things are totally normal and possible for me. The relationship was unusual and ended rather weirdly as it began but I think that kind of helped me, also with natural changes in my perspective simply due to age and experience. Around when that ended I had my first 'real' relationship whihc I am still in. I am not a virgin. I wanted to have sex far before I started dating, ever since middle school, and I was totally ready. I enjoy sex. Not sure what "how far I've been" means... I've been all the way sexually, and the longest I've been with a partner is about 8 months. For a first relationship I think it's not bad.

4. Is loveshyness more prominent in the introverted types, especially the INxx types?
Probably introverts in general.

5. What is a lonely, male INFP (i.e. me) to do regarding his condition?
Work on it by having experiences and changing your perception of yourself. Don't paint absolute truths where there isn't any, beware labels, don't use "conditions" to allow yourself to act like a cripple, find the life and people that work for you, and don't behave as though you are desperate because it will backfire.

6. Are certain types (eg INFP) and genders (eg male) more prone to this condition than others?
There is probably a higher percetnage of introverts who can relate to the descirption, and possible more infps due to the nature of undeveloped and unbalanced Fi, which makes it very hard to relate to others due to unrealistic expectations. Male female, I don't think so.

7. How do you deal with your loveshyness? For male loveshys, how do you deal with the contradiction between your condition and society's expected role for us as the "Assertive" gender?
I don't think that's a real thing. Infps can be assertive interpersoanlly, one on one, enough to make a relationship work. Not be calling attention to themself or being an extrovert, but by being honest about what they need and feel and about their limitations. For those who relate to loveshyness, I guess just work on being the best you can be and find peopel who can accept you.
 
First of all, please stop calling women you don't know, "lady". Women are human beings with personalities, desires, problems, struggles, lives and flaws. Some are better people than others, and either way they need to earn respect just like everyone else. They are not empty idols upon which you can project your own internal ideals of worship and adoration, much like icons in the Orthodox church. They're not fetishistic objects that embody your chivalrous or submissive fantasies.

The part where you consider someone you weren't in a relationship with, but knew for 2 years, to be an actual relationship, is also creepy as hell.

Like, I'm not only being this direct not to hurt your feelings, but because I don't think you realize how creepy that is.

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I don't mind being called lady. I like how it sounds and it is obvious to me IcarusDreams means to imply respect by using these terms. He uses similar terms for men. I'd appreciate it if you didn't speak for me. Anyone else is entiteled to their opinion, but not to speak for everyone.

Furthermore, you were not there for Icarus's relationships of any kind so he'd probably know best how to describe them as opposed to some dude on the internet. When your opinions devolve to personal opinions or attacks that further no practical purpose, it's best to keep them to yourself. It's called being a tactful, nice, evolved human being.

I'm only being this direct not to hurt your feelings, but I don't think you realize how rude and immature that is.
 
I love being called a lady. It makes me feel classy...which is a quality many people lack these days. :)
 
Yes, I do believe I am love-shy, and I think most people don't understand it. I've seen it ridiculed before. Anyway, I found out about it after looking up different types of shyness on Wikipedia a few years ago trying to see which ones described me. I've had my eye on someone for 3 years but have never talked to them. I also have trouble believing that I could even have a girlfriend in my current situation. I feel like I'd be a boring boyfriend with an embarrassing family and house. The girl I like has such a beautiful family and I wish I could be a part of it. I feel lonely almost every night and I hardly leave my house. Lately it hasn't just been loneliness for love, but for friendship too.
 
1. UGH, yes. *Facepalm* I find it amazing how awkward I find intimacy to be, when others around me practice it like it's no big deal. I actually get flustered when my boyfriend gets too lovey-dovey in public when we're with his/my friends.
2. Longg ago.
3. I'm in a wonderful relationship right now, been going strong for 2 years. In total I've been in about 2 SERIOUS relationships (meaning no silly high school flings). No I am not a virgin, my current SO is actually my 2nd. Oh, we've done quite a looot now, haha.
4. I am not sure. I would think that most INxx's would actually NOT be loveshy, since they seem to be able to really connect with their partner on an emotional level when they find the right one. As though they are willing to open up completely.
5. I am actually not sure what you mean. Do you feel it awkward to approach your interests?
6. Can't give a knowledgeable answer here.
7. I just let it be. There ARE moments where I get very cuddly-lovey with my boyfriend, and I'm glad that he's receptive whenever the occasion comes up. I just accept it as who I am, and it doesn't bother me too much although it means I'm a bit closed up in my heart.
 
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