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An ENTJ and ISTJ in a relationship?

6.6K views 15 replies 6 participants last post by  L'Enfant Terrible  
#1 ·
I'm an ENTJ and have my eyes set on an ISTJ male. We're both very interested in each other and communicate fairly well. However, I have noticed a few issues between us. We often butt heads, he can get very defensive, he doesn't communicate too much but has made an obvious effort. I've gotten heartfelt words of emotion from him before and I can clearly see that he is trying.

I think every pairing can work as long as you're both mature. A word of advice from any ISTJs for deeper understanding would be much appreciated, as I want to understand him as much as I can. He isn't as vocal as I am and it can be tough to read him. Any other comments are welcomed of course, perhaps your experiences with an ENTJ etc. :)
 
#2 · (Edited)
I had an ENTP teach me that nothing is really wrong. And to say "oh well" even if it's really wrong and to let go of being right.

Understanding that part wasn't natural to me, so that could be it. I wasn't receptive of this concept until I saw it (attached to being right) no longer served me.

I don't mind communicating, but my relief function is Fi. There's a lot of conviction and emotions involved, so I feel a bit overwhelmed after I speak or listen to a highly emotive conversation. During this state, things I say tend not to be well received. It could be a problem if I am not careful. I do use Te as well, but only when I need to get stuff done.
 
#3 ·
I had an ENTP teach me that nothing is really wrong. And to say "oh well" even if it's really wrong and to let go of being right.

Understanding that part wasn't natural to me, so that could be it. I wasn't receptive of this concept until I saw it no longer served me.
How are you with opening up? What does it take and how do you express it?
 
#5 ·
In what areas/things is he defensive?

Our end goal is definitely not to be reclusive. I think if everyone felt accepted, understood, and appreciated, they'd have no qualms about letting things out and expressing themselves freely. So it's not about reading him but about how to facilitate getting to know him.

I could tell you more but I'd appreciate that question being answered first so we can pin point it.
 
#6 ·
Most of our arguments happen because of his lack of support. He is downright pessimistic a lot of the time and it's not the best feeling when you expect support from him (Which I give very much of). He sets himself on a pedestal, sometimes. I admit to my faults and he never does, even if he was the one to blame from the start. So we butt heads a lot.

He is, overall, absolutely amazing though. Wouldn't trade him for the world. It's just that he isn't the best communicator so I appreciate all the help I can get :)
 
#7 · (Edited)
He is downright pessimistic a lot of the time and it's not the best feeling when you expect support from him

Perfectionism is a form of OCD. I had to learn not to "go there" on my own.

I admit to my faults and he never does, even if he was the one to blame from the start. So we butt heads a lot.

If you set up an environment that is non-fault finding, like ones that welcome mistakes, you may get better results.

He is, overall, absolutely amazing though. Wouldn't trade him for the world. It's just that he isn't the best communicator so I appreciate all the help I can get.

:happy:
 
#14 · (Edited)
I was in a long-term relationship with an entj, and I can relate to your post (OP). Butt heads and some frictions. But he was more verbal too and it could be a problem for me to have the time to process when it was about deeper emotional matters. Like I looked sulky (I suppose) and after years he knew that meant there was something, he would ask, sometimes relentlessly. Once I came back home in tears and he wouldn't leave me alone before I talked. It's terrible.

That said I understand his frustration now, I'm not very communicative either. But I wish he had respected my needs for time and space, and not constantly put it in my face. We were both young then and not very mature, me the least.

In short, listen to what the other say they need, your own needs, and try to find a middle ground. The summary of a relationship. Hopefully next time for me lol
 
#15 · (Edited)
I was with an ENTJ in a long term relationship, that was the most serious one for me so far, we lived together etc.

The start of it was pretty awesome. The best so far. Long term though, I did not find we were on the same wavelength emotionally. That was a major issue for me. Otoh, our way of thinking half matched, half didn't, so that wasn't too bad - it matched or at least was compatible enough when it was about more rational things, e.g. mutual projects or when we did intellectual conversations (those were always awesome!), and not always easily when it was about other things. Not at all matching when it was about things about the relationship itself, which was again a problem for me. I never figured out the solution to that, and I don't actually believe there was one in our case. Now that might just be my brand of realism that you call pessimism, lol.

So don't get me wrong, I don't want to claim that this was type related or to what degree it was type related even, I do know there were other factors playing into this issue. You two seem to be working better based on what you said in the thread. He's making obvious effort to keep communicating, which I think means a lot!, and you said you show how you care about him, etc. Just keep up the attention and the effort at the minimum.

Oh and I did butt heads a lot with the ENTJ too but there were never any hard feelings afterwards. That on its own isn't an issue I would say. But then, neither of us was the grudge holding type and we both could keep arguing in a logical fashion even when angry, which helped.


I dream big and I'm ambitious. He likes the comfortable in life and things I see as rational (Living abroad for a while etc.) is something he says is idealistic. Sometimes when I feel enthusiastic about something, he can completely shoot me down. I've talked to him and he has gotten a lot better, but his pessimism is really shining through. I should mention we have a bit of an age difference. He's in his late 20s.
Dreaming big on its own isn't a problem.

OK the thing is do you feel and show that enthusiasm already before checking out how realistic the thing is? I do shoot down directly or indirectly (by not joining in the enthusiasm) unrealistic ideas very quickly or ideas that could actually be done but a lot needs to be done and it's just not realistic to make the decision to invest that much into that goal. Depending on various factors. This isn't pessimism, this is realism. When I actually committed to something I'm anything but pessimistic.

So for example, living abroad for a while can be possible sure but the devil's in the details.

Overall I would say, you can try and convince him how something would be worth doing but only if it's really something you take seriously yourself, where you know you won't mind the investment and won't stop in the middle of doing it. To convince him, you would need to show him aspects that he didn't think of when evaluating the prospect. It's that weak Ne coupled with lack of experience in the specific area. You can also try to inspire him directly but you will still need to add those aspects to show how it's realistically achievable after all.

Oh and I do not relate to just wanting to live comfortable unless you just mean he's set into some way of living. I don't keep comfort on my mind consciously all day otherwise, I push myself more than that with my goals etc. Now, to change that way of living, there has to be a point, a goal, that then can be integrated into everything else that matters or is already going on for me. Then I'm able to envision this goal and see the concrete steps for it and be committed. Then I can change/upgrade from the current way of living to something else. If this requires moving outside the comfort zone, that's not a problem if there is a point. So for example moving abroad for a while is OK too in this way. But beware, it can take a while to decide on this and getting into it. That on its own shouldn't discourage you.

Adding to this, I do want to say that I absolutely loved it in my relationship with the ENTJ when we had mutual projects with a real goal. So if you can get that going in your relationship, it could be a big boost to it, hopefully. :)


I don't know how much this helped, if you have specific questions about getting to understand him more deeply, I can answer those but of course it will be applicable only as far as I can relate to your ISTJ.