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i feel very off kilter these days, and i'm not sure why... i find myself alternating between misanthropic anger and nihilistic ennui... i also increasingly prefer the online world to the (so-called) real world, and it sort of bothers me, although i tell myself that it shouldn't. is it just me, or do any of you guys ever feel this way?

or, more simply, do you ever just feel........BLEGGGHH?:dry:
 
I feel the more i learn the more i step out of the "real world". I can't stop learning i can tell i am alienating myself but i can't seem to stop. I know exactly how you feel. Its not so much as i am socially awkward as most INTX seem to its just the more i learn the less incline i am to want to talk about things most people find interesting.
 
It'd liken it to a constant state of feeling stoned, without drugs.

When I get mentally involved with something (writing, reading, problem solving, overthinking) I'll spend hours existing in a plane outside the physical. Then when there is an interruption or loud noise, it startles the crap out of me. Like at the computer, I'll totally forget my body is folded underneath me. Seven hours later - holy shit! I have a physical body. How weird.

The physical feels very surreal to me. Very. Its just so much harder to comprehend and believe in than the mental plane.
 
i feel like this too. everyone around me wants to talk about what they had for lunch last tuesday and i want to talk politics and high folutent stuff like how i think carl jung is going to change the world. why am i the only one who is excited about this? why?:angry:
 
Perfect normal.. IN-ness? Everybody has their bleh moods and I would guess that the character of the moods varies by type. IN's seem to identify with and intellectualize their dark moods more, maybe because we're in our heads thinking and feeling and immersing ourselves in the darkness. It can become like a feedback loop with a negative thoughts and feelings feeding each other and getting bigger and bigger until it is overwhelming. But as I said, I think much of this is normal IN-ness, in fact some study has found that chronic mild depression makes for a more realistic outlook. But if it gets out of hand it can create psychological and functional impairment. If I feel badly I try to remember that the dark moods are not an accurate reflection of reality and that they are only passing.
 
Yes. Although sometimes I wonder if it's not my attitude towards others that keeps them at bay. I am not mean or anything, in fact I'd consider myself friendly, but I can seem (and usually am...) completely uninterested in what most people talk about. I like to direct conversations towards something interesting. I might cut them off and say something along the line of "did you know that -insert interesting fact-". This leads me to feel alienated by people.

I am also unable to understand many of the values of modern society. I find society very narrow-minded and somewhat stupid. There are so many things that could be improved upon but we waste time watching American idol or some other stupid show. In my opinion people settle for shit and can't see how much better things could be. This is definitely a major point that angers me. I have a vision of a better world and I've mostly worked out what changes need to be made.

It doesn't really affect my mood though. If I am depressed about something I usually bounce back into an optimistic mood rapidly. For example, yesterday I was annoyed and very angry about something but after thinking about it for a while (whilst in bed) I started laughing and suddenly felt extremely euphoric.
 
i did a lot before i started to try and develop my weaknesses. a month ago i was in a state where i would often go a week without leaving the house very often. now i make sure to do some errand to benefit my life or go hang out with a friend 1 or more times a day. i broke the habits of porn n videogames and i feel a lot better and nearly as motivated as my estp mother.
 
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also it seems to me that most intps are solipstists. which would add to the situation.
 
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chronic mild depression makes for a more realistic outlook.
yep, optimism exists despite evidence to the contrary. but...

It can become like a feedback loop with a negative thoughts and feelings feeding each other and getting bigger and bigger until it is overwhelming....If I feel badly I try to remember that the dark moods are not an accurate reflection of reality and that they are only passing.
...pessimism also exists despite evidence to the contrary. excellent point, Nitou. thanks, i needed to be reminded of that.

The physical feels very surreal to me. Very. Its just so much harder to comprehend and believe in than the mental plane.
I am never fully aware of my physical surroundings unless I make the conscious effort to.
huh! interesting... i've always been relatively oblivious of my physical surroundings, but for some reason it never occurred to me to connect this to MBTI... makes sense, though.

Yes. Although sometimes I wonder if it's not my attitude towards others that keeps them at bay. I am not mean or anything, in fact I'd consider myself friendly, but I can seem (and usually am...) completely uninterested in what most people talk about. I like to direct conversations towards something interesting. I might cut them off and say something along the line of "did you know that -insert interesting fact-". This leads me to feel alienated by people.
hmmm, good point. i don't usually direct the conversations in which i'm a direct participant (too lazy? too detached?)--but i will be avoidant. i also fail to care about most conversations around me and i think that often rubs people the wrong way, too (but then again i deal with a lot of passive-aggressive people). i just like to think i'm not being nosy.

and i agree with you about the values of modern society. what you said about american idol made me think instantly of fahrenheit 451. i don't begrudge anyone the TV, but i rarely watch it myself.

Every single day, somedays I feel the same way about the online world as well as the real world. BLAGGHH is a nice way to put it, I often feel frustrated about everything, or nothing.
i feel it less often with the online world, but yeah, me too.

a month ago i was in a state where i would often go a week without leaving the house very often. now i make sure to do some errand to benefit my life or go hang out with a friend 1 or more times a day. i broke the habits of porn n videogames and i feel a lot better and nearly as motivated as my estp mother.
this is a great idea; i SO need to do this. problem is, i usually work from home and have a verrrrry flexible work schedule--which means i'm free to go for a week without leaving the house. NOT good for an INTP.

Yes. Try not to let yourself get into a rut, because once you're in there it's hard to find a reason to come out.
another thing i needed to be reminded of today. thank you.
 
yep, optimism exists despite evidence to the contrary. but...



...pessimism also exists despite evidence to the contrary. excellent point, Nitou. thanks, i needed to be reminded of that.




huh! interesting... i've always been relatively oblivious of my physical surroundings, but for some reason it never occurred to me to connect this to MBTI... makes sense, though.



hmmm, good point. i don't usually direct the conversations in which i'm a direct participant (too lazy? too detached?)--but i will be avoidant. i also fail to care about most conversations around me and i think that often rubs people the wrong way, too (but then again i deal with a lot of passive-aggressive people). i just like to think i'm not being nosy.

and i agree with you about the values of modern society. what you said about american idol made me think instantly of fahrenheit 451. i don't begrudge anyone the TV, but i rarely watch it myself.



i feel it less often with the online world, but yeah, me too.



this is a great idea; i SO need to do this. problem is, i usually work from home and have a verrrrry flexible work schedule--which means i'm free to go for a week without leaving the house. NOT good for an INTP.



another thing i needed to be reminded of today. thank you.


i can see the comfort in working from home...but im trying to do everything i dont know how to...i decided to join society on my 20th birthday
 
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I am also unable to understand many of the values of modern society. I find society very narrow-minded and somewhat stupid. There are so many things that could be improved upon but we waste time watching American idol or some other stupid show. In my opinion people settle for shit and can't see how much better things could be. This is definitely a major point that angers me. I have a vision of a better world and I've mostly worked out what changes need to be made.

It doesn't really affect my mood though. If I am depressed about something I usually bounce back into an optimistic mood rapidly. For example, yesterday I was annoyed and very angry about something but after thinking about it for a while (whilst in bed) I started laughing and suddenly felt extremely euphoric.
Yes! Sometimes I just can't get the values, I just can't. And yes, society seems narrow-minded, geez, but yeah, when I feel like I'm not the citizen of this society I just go my own way. It's usually pointless to try to change everyone else, tho I give the narrow-minded society sometimes some satyric/sracastic/ironic etc.. comments and then will probably curl up into my own world, since the society can't accept or understand what I was saying and debating will lead them just helpless, they can't usually disprove me, but they can't approve my ideas, hence they'll just end the argumentation with something like: " you're such a quibbler!"

Well, luckily there are some people that can stand against me, what a relief.

But when I do feel like I'm not connected to the world arround and their customs I can just go for a walk, hehe, I think I might a bit different INTP since I like walking alot, I do like the computer-world also, but usually I would much rather go outside for a walk, on my own.
 
Im only 15 and am considered a child in school. Dealing with all of the ignorant and yet 'blissfull' people of the world, having to study along side them at their level even though I am so far ahead of them, and not being able to get out on my own and do my own things sucks. Sadly enough I can not escape this for several years and am considering dropping out (makes later life harder but it makes me happier) as soon as I can.

When you are able to see so many connections that others are oblivious to, and live in a world that is so different from us we begin to either adapt to it and change, or silently rebel and plot to change it:crazy::proud:. I sometimes wish that I could put myself on autopilot and skip through my highschool years.

Of course we are disconnected from the world. We see things on a grand scale and care not for the small and insignificant bothers that people are restricted by. We see and 'ideal' place that we wish to exist in, everything else is imperfect and does not connect with us.

That is the way we must live:sad:
 
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i can see the comfort in working from home...but im trying to do everything i dont know how to...i decided to join society on my 20th birthday
perhaps i will decide to re-join society on my 30th birthday. :cool:

But when I do feel like I'm not connected to the world arround and their customs I can just go for a walk, hehe, I think I might a bit different INTP since I like walking alot, I do like the computer-world also, but usually I would much rather go outside for a walk, on my own.
i enjoy walks too. IF, that is, i can beat the inertia and get off my bum to begin with. doesn't happen often. :dry:

btw, fishsticks, nice avatar. :happy:
 
I'm probably misinterpreting the question here, but here goes...

I spend a lot of time pondering why I've never really "fit in" with any friend circles, et cetera, in my life; while I have indeed had friends, I've never really meshed perfectly with anyone. Maybe it's because I'm at an all-girls high school, and that the NTs are particularly uncommon among females?

Who knows. In any case, I suppose I feel more alienated from societ than from the world itself. When I walk along the sidewalks I find myself looking up at the sky between buildings and feeling that I am oddly in limbo between belonging and not belonging there.

Definitely rambling now.
 
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