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Improvising vs Planning

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#1 ·
Being an INTJ, I'm more of a planner when it comes to most things. Before I answer a question I always think out an answer sometimes to the point where another question is asked and we're off to another topic. It seems like in certain situations (at least when I deal with my ENTP professor) I fare far better not thinking forever, but just saying what comes to mind immediately. It's kind of scary to fly by the seat of your pants, but it's been working.

So, I'm wondering do you guys improvise occasionally? Am I the only one pulling things out of my ass and hoping for the best?
 
#2 ·
I find myself constantly anticipating questions, situations, etc and my corresponding course of action.

I am not very comfortable improvising, unless maybe I am drinking but that's not typical. When it comes to presentations or things of that sort, I find myself being meticulous when it comes to preparation.

I admire those who can excel when it comes to improvisation.
 
#3 ·
It finally dawned on me when I was in my early-20s that planning the hell out of everything is absurd. I have learned to improvise to a degree that's probably unusual for an INTJ. I still, from time to time, have imaginary arguments in my head with people who might well approach me with this-that-and-the-other issue...or I'll work out a route from point A to point B that's detailed in the extreme. I can't quite help that stuff...but the rest, I've learned to let go to an extent.
 
#5 ·
For a good time, try writing fantasy fiction. It's hell on your mind, but kind of addicting.

The hardest part is keeping it within the scope a casual reader. Mine's existentialist Wonderland on steroids.
 
#6 ·
I am not great at improvising. The best I have been able to do is to choose on the fly from a handful of plans I've already thought up. And making up plans so quickly others don't realize what I'm doing.
 
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#7 ·
i think any good experienced planner understands the nature of chaos so improvisation needs to be a part of your plans to some degree
 
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#8 ·
Improvisation is like my passion. I sometimes even wonder that I make these sketches, which are theoretically functional and very very helpful when applied. I just lack resources and time. Also, I need to takes notes from time to time because a single wondrous thought can be easily lost as I come up with another.
 
#13 ·
No, you're not the only one. 99% of the extroverts do this on a regular basis, they talk first/think later.
As an introvert you think/hope it will fly by when in reality, people don't give a crap about what you say because they don't give a crap about what they say themselves. Unless it's a quizz/exam.
 
#15 ·
Hi. I plan everything. Even the minor things such as what I would say to the seller in a shop... Sometimes (for instance, in this situation) I wish to be more active than thinking. In most situations, however, it is rather useful. Yes, if I'm not prepared with the answer I can't say anything, but when I am... no one can refute my arguments.
 
#19 ·
I improvise when I have to or when the standard plan fails, leaving no other alternative. This would typically indicate that it wasn't my plan because I have a knack for foreseeing potential kinks often caused by contradictions in the stystem. I'm comfortable operating according to someone else's plan as long as it makes sense and is streamlined and there's at least one contingency in place. In my experience, the "modern" workplace of the 21st century favors the 'P' over the 'J'. Everyone is expected to multitask and to be fast-paced, yet still expected to function flawlessly, even if we're naturally inclined to be slow-paced and focus-driven.
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From what I've seen, ADD or ADHD actually give a person certain advantages in the "modern" workplace. We schizotypal/OCD types might be underappreciated, but we have strengths too. We bring order to a world that, if left to its own devices, would go sprinting toward chaos like an Olympic event.
(Kudos if you know what that's a reference to.)
 
#20 ·
The more uncomfortable I am in a situation, the more I want to plan things out because I like to know how things are going to go. Basically planning removes the unknown element. When I'm in a situation where I feel comfortable, I don't need to plan because I already have a good idea of how things are going to go. I also usually have at least 1-2 contingency plans in mind for if certain likely scenarios come up so that if one of those scenarios does happen, I don't need to take the time to plan how to deal with that scenario, we can just move into plan B or C or X or whatever.

All of that said, my plans are never set in stone; if someone comes up with a better way to accomplish the goal, or comes up with a way to accomplish multiple goals at the same time, I'm just as likely to say "sure, let's go with that". I'm less interested in the process of getting from A to B and more interested in getting to B in the best way I know how. For me, planning isn't about controlling the path; it's about controlling the outcome.
 
#21 ·
Failing to plan is planning to fail, but a plan without action is just a dream.

At some point you have to move beyond planning and take action. How soon you need to take action depends on the situation, sometimes you simply have no time to plan things out and must improvise. Some things that are done just for the experience like vacations can actually be more enjoyable without a lot of planning as well.
 
#22 ·
I tend to plan and set up scenarios in my head for many things, but certainly not all of them. And there's many occasions where it makes sense to plan but something other than planning is taking my attention. I can plan well enough in the short term, to react to things, so it usually works out ok.
 
#23 ·
So, I'm wondering do you guys improvise occasionally? Am I the only one pulling things out of my ass and hoping for the best?
i'm pretty easy-going. used to be a lot more rigid and forward-thinking, but a big bout of anaemia and other things about ten years ago knocked that on the head. i couldn't hold more than two things in my mind at a time - used to arrive in the middle of a sentence with no memory left of how it had started out. so planning anything was out and i reckoned i'd just become dumb as a box.

thing was, during that time i had occasion to take one of those programming-aptitude types of test, where they make you do a whole bunch of stuff and then assess how much aptitude you have for the kind of reasoning that programming tends to require. i winged the whole thing and didn't expect much for it - it sure didn't feel like 'thinking' to me like i'd been used to thinking of it. but in fact i scored off the top edge of their grid, swiss-cheese-brain and all. so i went 'meh. 'sequential reasoning', meh' and moved on. never quite got the discipline to be 'logical' back even after the iron pills kicked in :tongue: