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#1 ·
I am currently in my second year as a teacher. I was a general music teacher in an inner city school last year and this year I am a beginning band director in a rural school district. Last year was a nightmare. Most music teachers would kill for the job I have this year. Still, I can't hack it. The kids (grades 4,5,6) are very smart and very good kids and the staff is great. I just can not handle the social aspect of the job. I dread every day and go home and sit alone in a room. My mind feels numb at the end of every day. I come home and sit in front of this damn computer all night avoiding all contact with other people. I did that anyway, but now if I don't do it I will crack.

Music is quite important to me. I play almost every instrument to a fair degree and I specialize in traditional Irish Music. I play music in school all day and it does nothing for me. I am a ball of nerves all day.

I am borderline ISTP/INTP. I think about a career change all day every day. Grew up ISTP but developed the N during college. Probably still lean more towards S and feel more comfortable in S rolls. I love music theory but hate math and science. It could be because of the horrid teachers I had in school. I absolutely hated school and lived for BMX, Skateboarding and snowboarding. Then I gravitated toward music as I got older.

Best job I ever had was landscaping, but kept falling out with my coworkers. Also somewhat liked construction work, but when I wasn't given more responsibility I couldn't stand it anymore. I knew that I would not like teaching and still made the terrible decision. Probably self sabotage or something.

Now with huge college debt, I am stuck in this idiot job. Everyday, I almost continue driving by my school and just blast off to the highway and ditch.

Can't decide on any alternatives. I would love any career with less social contact. The problem is I have zero dollars and get paid shit. Keep getting hooked on a new career then discard it. Usually unsure if I'd like it or hesitant because of poor job prospects. I know I could do any job. Hell, I am a great music teacher, which constantly relies on my greatest weaknesses, but just can not stand it.

I delved into programming for a little while, but it didn't sustain my interests. I've been thinking about being a CAD drafter. Went to an engineering college for a year before music college and hated everyone and everything there. Might like it better now if I tried it again. I love the thought of being and engineer. Biggest issue for the career change is finding funding. Can't get the Pell grant because I have a Bachelors. Plus a zillion dollar debt, due to lack of guidance, which by the way is in my fathers name. I almost joined the marines twice as an escape route during college. Signed the dotted line and everything, then ditched.

All I know is this fecking job makes my head spin and I want to run away.
 
#2 ·
First of all, get outside and go for a sprint or something. Blow some steam. If you're not getting your daily dose of adrenaline, then all this stress is going to make you claw your eyes out. I've been there. ISTP's are ACTION ORIENTED PEOPLE. We have to do things or else we get antsy and depressed. If your daily routine consists of school, then going home and vegging the rest of the day, the stress will start building up.

Don't join the marines, that's for ISTJ/ESTJ/ENTJ's it'll be living hell for you; the navy is bad enough for me anyway. You sound frustrated. I know I'd be. Hang in there with the teaching thing for a bit longer.

Have you thought about: park ranger, fire fighter, mechanic, carpenter, extreme sport instructor (hang gliding, skydiving, snowboarding) or nature guide (whitewater rafting, hiking)?

These are all fairly solitary careers. Firefighters are more like a family, so you won't be meeting new people everyday except the sexy damsels in distress (or fat guys stuck under their cars) you're tasked with saving. They also give you responsibility and problem solving opportunities. These are also usually spontaneous jobs, so losing your interest might not occur as easily as most other monotonous jobs. ISTP's are usually great teachers because we understand logic very well. But its everything that comes with it that causes problems. Perhaps if you become a private teacher, or start your own business you'll get that responsibility you've always wanted.

College debt can be a pain in the ass, and so can changing careers after you've already worked your ass off in college to gain a degree. The careers I've mentioned are just some of the low resistance entry careers that ISTP's are usually pretty good at. But if you want to commit yourself to more college, I could give you a whole new list, but I doubt you'd want that.

Reading your description was almost like reading about myself, I also am heavy N because I'm surrounded by artists in my house and it kinda rubbed off on me. But I'm still an ISTP regardless. I hope this helps some.
 
#3 ·
Thanks for the reply. It brought me back to focus. I've been trying to get back to activity lately. It is the beginning of winter right now and we are in the between stages of having snow and not. I just got ahold of some cross country skis, so that is a new endeavor for me. I just get so weird after work. I feel completely blank afterwards. I am usually pretty active, but haven't been lately.

My problem with picking another job is indecision. I can't pick one thing and stick with it. This is also why I fell into music college. It was easy to pick what I was good at, even though I knew the job in the end wouldn't do it for me.

The marines thing was more of an escape route. I knew it was a stupid decision.

I've read up on the career lists quite a bit. I like them all. Picking is the problem. The only college I could probably stomach at this point would be a certification program from a technical community college nearby. Or possibly even a two year program if I knew I would get a job I wanted. They have all kinds of cool sounding things. They offer night classes and my summers off open up a full time semester.

Thats the other thing. The time off is great being a teacher. But, I constantly think about whether it is worth it. What is the point of spending the majority of your waking life doing something you aren't that into just to get some free time, which for me ends up being recharge time. It seems like a huge waste of a life. People keep telling me stick with it, you'll be glad later. But that doesn't sit well with me. Feck later, this is now.

Maybe if everyone that hated their job quit, we could all just switch to suit our skills.
 
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ISTP's require a career that they enjoy, and if they don't enjoy it, they usually make up for it with adrenaline filled activities (could be as simple as riding a bike, so long as it fulfills you.) I know certain sports will put me into a high where I become extroverted: raquetball, paintball... these are fast decision sports. Snowboarding and skateboarding are probably just as effective.

The thing is, your resume is the thing that will suffer from the constant career switching. This is probably our #1 problem as ISTP's, #2 being our inability to deal with people getting close to us. I say, go for the career that has the BROADEST range of skills required (like firefighting for example, who knows what kind of skills you'll need to rescue someone). The truth is you'll have to make big sacrifices to get anywhere you want to go. If you become a master mechanic, you'll have to weave through the hordes of imbeciles who enjoy shoving screwdrivers up each others' asses until you are good enough to separate from them and start your own business. If you become a park ranger, you might not talk to very many people ever again. Our lives are always going to be off to a rough start in every career we do because we want to do things our way and not be controlled. To gain that power you need to "shut up and execute your orders" as told to me regarding the military, but applies to real life as well.

As for SELECTING a career, get a piece of paper, write down everything you enjoy including adjectives verbs and nouns (ex: skiing, guns, serenity, spontineity etc) and have some friends or family brainstorm careers for you, i recieved some pretty cool ideas myself.

Perhaps it is best to find a job you enjoy, but satisfy all of your other interests in your own time as hobbies?
 
#5 ·
I wish I could help you. But my problems when in teaching roles are completely different things, like anxiety that I'm making them worse off instead of helping them, or things like that. I understand the trouble with social situations being draining, but INFP and ISTP tend to go about recharging that in different ways. I come home and sleep. I'm pretty sure you guys wouldn't find that as fulfilling as I do :wink:

Good luck with it though. Hope things get better for you :proud:
 
#7 ·
It sounds like you have a good idea of what you would like in a career. There are a lot of careers out there that involve music, but not a lot of socialization...maybe an instrument repair person, or someone who crafts instruments by hand. If that is too solitary, maybe you could consider being an audio technician or freelance composer. Teaching has crossed my mind, but I know it would drain my energy too. I wish you luck in what you decide to do, but like DJ said, don't be afraid to blow off some steam ;)
 
#8 ·
Im a Mechanical Engineer! I am only 25 years old and I have been with 3 companies already. I get bored to easily and I want to be constantly challenged. I loved my job in my current company wherein I handled short term projects. But now, I hate the company. I was binded by a training contract for 3.5 years. The contract states that they will train us for 1.5 years and in return, we must serve for another 2 years. But, we were not able to receive proper training. I felt so betrayed! When I started out as a young engineer, I was quite passive and always tried to do my job. But because of the fucking contract, I transformed to a rebellious wise ass! And, I want out! Because of this, my childhood dream to be a lawyer was once again awakened! I am planning to take the LSAT this november.

I have been researching for the past 2 month trying to justify my desire of being a lawyer. Because for me, I want to have the proper reasons of being a lawyer. Not only because I want to, but because my personality can fit the challenges of being a lawyer. Because of the posting of SERALYA regarding law, I have found another justification to follow my dream. I am planning to specialize in patent law so that I can use my mechanical engineering skills. By the way, my dads a lawyer/judge too. He is into Criminal and Civil law. I think he is an ESTJ.

Do you think I would be fit well as a patent lawyer?
Do you think that it is normal for a introvert to act like a rebellious extrovert when facing adversity?
 
#10 ·
Do you think I would be fit well as a patent lawyer?
Do you think that it is normal for a introvert to act like a rebellious extrovert when facing adversity?
I thought about this, I have been told I should be a lawyer too. I think it's the Ti. You're probably good at dissecting the hell out of other people's bullshit, which is why being a lawyer could be fun. Patent law might be just the thing, but then again what do I know??

As for acting like a rebellious extrovert -- I channel my inner ESTP when I feel overwhelmed with life. ("Everything is awesome, woo hooooooooo, pass the tequila!")
 
#9 ·
T927, it's been 8 months since you started this thread and you still haven't made a decision? :) I've been trying to make a decision for over a year and I just got a job, but then I am forced by economic circumstances to take what was offered.

I'm a mechanical engineer too. There seem to be a lot of ISTPs who did the engineering thing. The problem is that it's never the cool hands-on job we think it's going to be -- it's always some shitty paperwork-pushing, stuck-in-a-cubicle crap. This job I just took is sales oriented so I'll get out of that, but at the same time the socializing is always a total drain.

I was going to be a math teacher but I could see the future you describe -- all the socializing and the KIDS -- I freak out in the summer when all my kids are yapping in my face all day. I'm close to a freaking meltdown right now, thank Jesus these kids started school this week!!!

Socializing is always the biggest problem. Finding an isolated career that pays the bills and doesn't involve stupid people in your face all day is the holy grail. Let me know when you find it.
 
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My mom is ISFJ and works as a special ed teacher so she only has to deal with 1 - 2 kids at a time. Dyslexic kids and kids with ADHD etc mostly. She also made a deal with the school to let her do some work from home and take one day a week off because she was burning out, so now she only has to come in 3 - 4 times/week. She didn't like big groups of kids and really wasn't happy being a regular teacher. Now she's almost 60 and in spite of all the benefits she's still looking for a way out of her job at the school.
Having a long summer break is useless if you're spending it feeling anxious about going back to a job you hate. And no one should have to feel like they want to just to escape every morning as they drive to work. :sad:
Damn the benefits and the college degree. Find something which makes you happy.
 
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It seems you guys think law and engineering will fit in together. And, I agree with you. I just hope I can endure another 5 years of school. But, no worries! I am gonna go for it. I think we ISTPs can endure boredom as long as there is a logical explanation behind it. I am gonna take the exam this November and quit my job on April. But before I quit, I am gonna do something that will rock my company. HAHA.

Im gonna harness the inner rebellious extrovert in me once again! I am so pissed with my company!

Thanks guys!
 
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But before I quit, I am gonna do something that will rock my company. HAHA.

Im gonna harness the inner rebellious extrovert in me once again! I am so pissed with my company!
Jump down the emergency shoot with a stolen six pack of beer.
 
#18 ·
The problem with me is that i can't stay with a job or school for more than x number of years. For some reason i got thru high school with relative ease. senior year was the only time i considered dropping out, MAYBE junior year. But college was tougher. i worked at mcdonald's for close to a year during high school and that actually might have been my favorite job. i liked the people there, i worked at the grill and occasionally the drive thru. they put me on the register on a saturday morning on my first or second day without training me, i struggled and i never really got back on. but i quit the job to go to college in a different city. i never considered quitting the job which is interesting because most of my other jobs i have either quit or really wanted to at some point.

what i've noticed in jobs/college is that i do tend to put a lot of focus on relationships. funny thing is i've kind of liked structure. whenever the schedule changes a lot its caused a lot of stress for me. during college i was a dj for the radio and i enjoyed it but i lost inspiration and quit. my current major doesn't really interest me but it did when i started. i feel like lots of interests fade and its so hard to keep with something.
 
#19 ·
Hi, i'm new here. My search for new career led me to this site. It seems we ISTP's have real issues with boredom. I have spent most of my adult life as a Network Admin/Techie. This lasted for many years, but eventually lost interest. I think mainly due to others i had to regularly deal with. Especially the co-workers that treat you like dirt until they need something from you ( this includes, owners/management). It also got teadious and boring fixing constant ID10T errors constantly.

Anyways a few years back I tried looking for a new career. Tried retail sales, food, phone sales, construction, real estate... all of wich sucked ass. I eventually went back to IT. A couple years later i'm ripping my hair out! Time for that change again.

I am currentl looking into an AMT career (Aircraft Maint. Tech). I am unsure of it though and It's going to take 2 years of school. It sounds ISTP friendly as I would learn diverse skills, ie. engines, electronics, props, fabrication (sheet metal, composites, etc.). Also not have to deal wth the public and/or pain in the ass users. From descriptions and blogs i've read, people in the field say one of the best things is that theres something new every day. Beating the the lul.

I would appreciate any comments or insites on this...
 
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