[madhatter]

Thank you!

You're welcome.

 

[NYEnglishRose]

ISFJ Tritype 2w1 5w6 9w1

 

[madhatter]

ISFJ Tritype 2w1 5w6 9w1

Cool! How did the description sound to you?

 

[brianstorm]

Could a 649 be counterphobic??
I relate most with that type but with an assertive streak somewhere... And i dont really relate too much with 8s.

 

[madhatter]

Could a 649 be counterphobic??
I relate most with that type but with an assertive streak somewhere... And i dont really relate too much with 8s.

Sure! I would think so. I know the description leans more to the phobic side, but all 6s are in some way counterphobic and phobic (kind of on a continuum). So I don't see why a 649 couldn't be cp. 6 and 4 are also reactive types, so that might lend some assertiveness.

 

[madhatter]

Found some tritype flashcards. Rather simplistic, but I thought I'd add them here nonetheless:

The Mentor 125
-Diligent/Ethical
-Caring/Helpful
-Knowledgable/Wise
-You are very idealistic and see what needs to be and the simple/effective way to do it. You are intensely private but care about people. You seek practical systems and procedures to measure results and effectiveness.

The Supporter 126
-Diligent/Ethical
-Caring/Helpful
-Inquisitive/Supportive
-Highly responsible and cooperative, you are most comfortable whrn you do things by the books and know what to expect. Focused on the needs and concerns of others, you seek ways to be of service.

The Teacher 127
-Diligent/Ethical
-Caring/Helpful
-Innovative/Inspired
-Engaging, fun loving, and outgoing, you want to be with people. You seek fun with a purpose, needing goals as well as time to play and celebrate. You love discovering new things and sharing what you learn with others.

The Technical Expert 135
-Diligent/Ethical
-Focused/Efficient
-Knowledgable/Wise
-Highly rational, you seek systems and procedures. Detail oriented, you like mathematic concepts and finding ways to breakdown and understand complex material. You are very precise and good with your hands.

The Taskmaster 136
-Diligent/Ethical
-Focused/Efficient
-Inquisitive/Dutiful
-Highly industrious and responsible, you are focused on achievement. You feel obligated to be orderly and create a successful image as dictated by society. Most importantly, you focus on your duty and finding certainty.

The Systems Builder 137
-Diligent/Ethical
-Focused/Efficient
-Innovative/Upbeat
-You are self-motivated and want to achieve your goals in a positive and effective way. You want to do your best and want to look good doing it. You focus on success and seek ways to measure it.

The Researcher 145
-Diligent/Ethical
-Intuitive/Original
-Knowledgeable/Wise
-Highly intellectual, you are focused on what you perceive is correct and beyond reproach. Research oriented, you seek and quote the opinions of experts to avoid being uncertain and seen as ignorant.

The Philosopher 146
-Diligent/Ethical
-Intuitive/Original
-Inquisitive/Certain
-Morally focused, you have strong emotions and are inclined to voice your feelings and intuitions. You care deeply and want to help others improve their lives and the expectations they have of themselves.

The Visionary 147
-Diligent/Ethical
-Intuitive/Original
-Innovative/Positive
-You are passionate and idealistic. You want to make a difference in the world and see the many possible approaches to different situations. Perfectionistic, you strive to create the standards that improve lives.

 

[madhatter]

The Strategist 258
-Caring/Helpful
-Knowledgable/Wise
-Protective/Straight Forward
-Highly sensitive, you are an empathetic and intellectual "people person". You are both introverted and extroverted and can be direct and easily move toward others, but also over give and pull away to recharge.

The Problem Solver 259
-Caring/Helpful
-Knowledgable/Wise
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You have a very shy, gentle and reserved nature that focuses on what is harmonious. You need companionship and avoid feelings of loneliness by focusing on the needs and concerns of others.

The Rescuer 268
-Caring/Helpful
-Supportive/Engaging
-Protective/Straightforward
-By nature, you want to be in charge of your world and are attracted to noble causes. You wish to shield others from harm and challenge what is unjust. You want to know the rules so that you feel safe breaking them.

The Good Samaritan 269
-Caring/Helpful
-Supportive/Engaging
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You like people and want to find ways to engage with them. Your sense of pride comes from getting along with others and being of assistance. You are known for your easygoing and friendly disposition.

The Free Spirit 278
-Caring/Helpful
-Innovative/Loving
-Protective/Straightforward
-You are assertive, funny, and outgoing You like to use your charming and sunny disposition to create an upbeat, positive, and action-packed environment. You are also very nurturing to those in your circle of care.

The Peacemaker 279
-Caring/Helpful
-Innovative/Loving
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You are very kind and tend to see the best in others. You focus on easy and comfortable ways of relating. Very optimistic and positive, you hate conflict and strife, and use your sense of humor to smooth out differences.

 

[madhatter]

The Solution Master 358
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Knowledgeable/Wise
-Protective/Straightforward
-Tough-minded, you are good at studying a problem and finding both original and practical solutions others miss. Highly tenacious, you work tirelessly until you find solutions and prevail against adversity.

The Thinker 359
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Knowledgeable/Wise
-Accepting/Peaceful
-Intellectual and clever, you find amenable and pleasant ways to manage difficult situations and relationships. Often shy, you are slow to fully trust others and need time to more fully reveal yourself.

The Justice Fighter 368
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Inquisitive/Loyal
-Protective/Straightforward
-Verbally adept and a good reader of people and situations, you have the ability to identify unjust authority, rebel against tyranny and verbally spar against it.

The Mediator 369
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Inquisitive/Loyal
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You seek balance and harmony. You want to know what is expected of you and will adjust your behavior to succeed. You need affirmation, reassurance and a sense of wellbeing to feel connected to yourself and others.

The Mover-Shaker 378
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Innovative/Happy
-Protective/Straightforward
-You are a dynamic go-getter, focused on the prize. An expansive powerhouse, you see the big picture and a positive future, with the will to make it happen. Seeking success, obstacles are seen as competitive challenges.

The Ambassador 379
-Ambitious/Efficient
-Innovative/Happy
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You like people and are outgoing even if you are shy. You are easygoing and seek comfort but strive for success and a feeling of personal importance. You are identified with what you do and achieve, but are soft, gentle, and kind.

The Scholar 458
-Intuitive/Original
-Knowledgable/Wise
-Protective/Straightforward
-You study what makes people tick and form strong opinions about what you learn. Somewhat introverted, you are identified with being an intuitive/strategic thinker and see interconnections that others may miss.

The Contemplative 459
-Intuitive/Original
-Knowledgable/Wise
-Accepting/Peaceful
-Highly self-aware and reflective, you are very shy, reserved and self-conscious. You need regular quiet time to reflect on your thoughts and emotions. Easily flooded with emotion, it is difficult for you to voice your ideas and feelings to others.

The Truth Teller 468
-Intuitive/Original
-Inquisitive/Certain
-Protective/Straightforward
-You are highly sensitive and emotional. You track inconsistencies and are like the "canary in the coal mine," calling out hidden agendas, deception, and ulterior motives. You are very intense and can at times be emotional and over reactive.

The Seeker 469
-Intuitive/Original
-Inquisitive/Certain
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You are very sensitive and can experience intense feeling of self-doubt and uncertainty. As a result you need multiple sources of confirmation. You want to be individualistic but can fear being separate from others to avoid confrontation.

The Messenger 478
-Intuitive/Original
-Innovative/Creative
-Protective/Straightforward
-A cutting-edge tracker of both your internal and external worlds, you are an unconventional, passionate, and self-possessed master of solutions. Outwardly you are confident, but inwardly you are emotional and vulnerable.

The Gentle Spirit 479
-Intuitive/Original
-Innovative/Creative
-Accepting/Peaceful
-You are very identified with the defense of optimism and tend to hide your more painful feelings and pessimism for fear of being rejected. You see the wonder in beauty and are gentle, lyrical, and idealistic in the way that you relate to others. You are attracted to the healing profession or arts.

 

[Invidia]

This thread truly is brilliant! Thank you for posting it.

As for me: INFP 469, this part specifically is so completely accurate of how I feel:

It particularly plays itself out in the social realm via shame, feeling utterly different, feeling hunted when very insecure (with no real external evidence to back the feeling up) and then by succumbing to a desire to merge with the group by lying down and playing 'dead' like a puppy. The merging brings short-term relief until my need to express myself takes over. If I can't I feel sickened by my lack of authenticity, if I can I do which opens me up to feeling exposed and ashamed again so I withdraw to avoid feeling hunted.

I find I can seem very calm on the surface but am a total wreck inside. And when that anxiety does find its way out, I feel very ashamed as well, for letting myself be affected. The back and forth is exhausting.

It is really a bit like a carousel, makes me feel sick - the constant loop.

 

[madhatter]

This thread truly is brilliant! Thank you for posting it.

As for me: INFP 469, this part specifically is so completely accurate of how I feel:

I find I can seem very calm on the surface but am a total wreck inside. And when that anxiety does find its way out, I feel very ashamed as well, for letting myself be affected. The back and forth is exhausting.

It is really a bit like a carousel, makes me feel sick - the constant loop.

You're welcome!

You have the exact tritype as my brother. He's INFP 694.

 

[paintfish]

I have to laugh as the 359s may not want to respond. They have reported a strong sensitivity to exposure.
I think 3-5-9 may expose him or her self if it is done say in one's writing in the name of academic or theological inspiration to others. We might describe our Dark Nights; however, immediately rush ahead to the good part where we overcame the darkness with our keen and wise mind and all is hunky dory now.

Calling all 359s... do you notice the need to conceal your true feelings from others?
I feel the need to conceal my true feelings from myself.
I smile when I read this. It is amazing to me that other 359s have something very similar. I need to add that 359s have a great sense of humor that is dry and witty.
The above is actually a true statement. I really have a difficult time with feelings. I feel things like enthusiasm, bursts of love and insight, and discomfort. There is a person in my life that makes me feel really upset. Instead of sadness or anger; whenever she comes around I get a migraine...
Do we have feelings?
Yes... or so I am told, tucked away in separate locked boxes.

A 9-5-3 would be the kind of 9 who is more intellectual (5), perfectionistic and focused on efficiency (3) with less of an emphasis on maintaining harmonious relationships than other 9s.

I am a 9-5-3 and this is incredibly accurate and specific!

I have noticed that when I am talking to people about something I did that was not up to my standards or that I regret, I immediately (before they can get a word in) explain how I remedied the situation. If I am talking about something important I am working on, it is almost impossible for me to say that I am struggling or that I have stopped working on it. I always try to act positive about it, even if I have to lie a little.

And about concealing true feelings: yes haha I too hide my feelings from others and myself. Which is extremely confusing and frustrating when I try to untangle them to see what I really feel.

I like how you described feelings as tucked away in locked boxes. I am just now learning to identify my various feelings. I just got anger recently - the person I was angry at (a type 5) actually made me express it because he said he could feel the anger radiating from my eyes and he just wanted me to get it out. I have a hard time expressing negative emotions to people because that means I am creating a space that is not harmonious. The few times I have expressed anger, afterwards I start joking around or give them a hug because I want things to be right again, even if they hurt me.

Also, I appreciate the advice about personal growth. Thanks for taking the time to do this

 

[madhatter]

I like how you described feelings as tucked away in locked boxes.

Also, I appreciate the advice about personal growth. Thanks for taking the time to do this

You're welcome! I'm afraid, however, I can't take credit for the words themselves. I just found them. But I'm glad they were helpful all the same.

 

[Wake]

I find both the 162 and 126 definitions are too warm and fuzzy for me. People often refer to 1s as the not most empathetic type, though they care to do right. I think of this typing as a matter of the meaning of the super ego types. 1 wants to better things around them, 6 is a fear of mistakes and consequences, 2 is the betterment of others for the appreciation shown as a response. A 1 can be very reluctant to invite these feelings of satisfaction for approval of others. Maybe they should do what they do just because they think it's best for the cause. Maybe it is because they care about others. Maybe they're as self-serving as everyone else in the end. The level of emotional connection 1s form with others certainly varies.

 

[madhatter]

I find both the 162 and 126 definitions are too warm and fuzzy for me. People often refer to 1s as the not most empathetic type, though they care to do right. I think of this typing as a matter of the meaning of the super ego types. 1 wants to better things around them, 6 is a fear of mistakes and consequences, 2 is the betterment of others for the appreciation shown as a response. A 1 can be very reluctant to invite these feelings of satisfaction for approval of others. Maybe they should do what they do just because they think it's best for the cause. Maybe it is because they care about others. Maybe they're as self-serving as everyone else in the end. The level of emotional connection 1s form with others certainly varies.

Also, in my research, I've noticed that the descriptions only consider one "version" of each type, if that makes any sense. For example, with 2, they may not take into account the true superego nature of the type and how that may affect behavior, and instead focus on superficial adjectives and characteristics of the type, such as the vague "2s are caring." At unhealthy levels, 2s can become manipulative and demanding of love. I didn't really see that factor into the tritype descriptions with a 2.

And don't even get me started about the portrayal of type 9, haha.

 

[aestrivex]

Also, in my research, I've noticed that the descriptions only consider one "version" of each type, if that makes any sense. For example, with 2, they may not take into account the true superego nature of the type and how that may affect behavior, and instead focus on superficial adjectives and characteristics of the type, such as the vague "2s are caring." At unhealthy levels, 2s can become manipulative and demanding of love. I didn't really see that factor into the tritype descriptions with a 2.

the fauvres speak about the growing edge and blind spot of the tritypes, sort of a high and low side of each tritype. i would argue that to some extent the high and low sides of the types are integrated into these portraits.

 

[Fantastic Fantaseer]

I seen the part about 259. I'm a 9w1 5w6 and 2w6. and though the descriptions are relatively similar, when ever the 3 numbers of a tri type are switched, like from 259 to 952 the description is different. I'm pretty sure there was vary little mention on the 952 fix. there was a short mention of 95 I know, but I don't think it really said much of anything about the 952 type specifically. BTW, any one know of a good place for me to look more into my tritype? and if possible, specifically a 9w1 5w6 2w1?

I like and rather injoy self discovery. and some times can get far to into it to the point where I will spend countless hours combing over the entire internet looking to reaserch myself. XP and if I don't find anything or not enough to satify myself for now, I'll do it all over again a bit later or the next day untill I finally either tire myself out of it compleatly or just figure that I've finally learned enough.

 

[madhatter]

I seen the part about 259. I'm a 9w1 5w6 and 2w6. and though the descriptions are relatively similar, when ever the 3 numbers of a tri type are switched, like from 259 to 952 the description is different. I'm pretty sure there was vary little mention on the 952 fix. there was a short mention of 95 I know, but I don't think it really said much of anything about the 952 type specifically. BTW, any one know of a good place for me to look more into my tritype? and if possible, specifically a 9w1 5w6 2w1?

I like and rather injoy self discovery. and some times can get far to into it to the point where I will spend countless hours combing over the entire internet looking to reaserch myself. XP and if I don't find anything or not enough to satify myself for now, I'll do it all over again a bit later or the next day untill I finally either tire myself out of it compleatly or just figure that I've finally learned enough.

Everything I found about your type I posted here. And I did intensive google searches for all the types. Some of the searches turned up more than others. I've been periodically checking for more. But I haven't turned up anything more substantial on your type as of yet. :/ Sorry.

 

[Fantastic Fantaseer]

that's ok. I wasn't really trying to complain I was just saying that I'd like to know a bit more about the 952 order specifically if I can. but I geuss that means you don't know of any places I could go to to learn more?

 

[madhatter]

that's ok. I wasn't really trying to complain I was just saying that I'd like to know a bit more about the 952 order specifically if I can. but I geuss that means you don't know of any places I could go to to learn more?

Oh, I didn't think you were complaining. I have the same frustrations. But, no, I don't have any specific place that you can go to learn more. However, I can suggest that you can lurk on the Enneagram Institute Discussion Board site. That's where I got a lot of my information. You can also lurk on the Fauvres' Facebook page, called Enneagram Explorations. I got a lot of my tidbits from there as well. I continue to lurk and comply more information. If I find anything about 952 specifically, I'll post it and tag you in it first thing.

 

[Fantastic Fantaseer]

cool, and thanks. I'll make another sticky note so I can remember to look those places up XP. (got like, 15 stickys already. only had this laptop for like a week.)