[Kaboomz]

I'm actually not a fan of the idea that amoral evil is "less evil" than mustache-twirling Saturday morning cartoon evil. The vast majority of the murderers in the Nazi death camps didn't commit horrifying acts of evil because it was evil, they did it because "they were just following orders".

we are talking about villains, not morality.

a villain is antagonistic. a progenitor of action that undermines whatever the antithesis is.

the amoral followers are just fodder. they can be badass fodder that create zombie mountains...but they aren't villains...unless you consider every nazi who didn't join the allied forces a villain.

 

[secret witch]

The only motivation I can think of is the fact that currently it's fun by bumbling idiots, but I think any INTP that took over would quickly be labeled a tyrant for their laziness and likelihood to kill anyone who is an idiot around them.
Really though, it's easier just to lock yourself in your room to avoid the idiots. Thus why we don't take over the world. We could though, easily....someone else doing most of the work...

Hear, hear. An ignorant fool is being unreasonable? Off with his head.

We could devise plots and hypothetical scenarios, but really, we'd rather be lying in a comfortable bed with little motivation to make world domination happen and little care of what becomes of it when it's in our hands. I feel like we have much to offer but barely any resolve towards this specific notion.

 

[Simpson17866]

I just think it would be more interesting to imagine what a successful INTP villain* would look like - Agent Smith, for example - rather than assuming that every INTP villain would be unsuccessful.

*Villain meaning "evil person," by the way, not "antagonist." As an aspiring fiction writer, some of my favorite protagonists to create are horrifying sociopaths whose side I am not on (nor do I expect my readers to be), and I think

Hero Protagonist
Hero Antagonist
Villain Protagonist
Villain Antagonist​

is a more useful set of distinctions to make than just

Hero Protagonist
Villain Antagonist​

 

[Tropes]

Ok, this barely counts as a character, but didn't the villain in the new Ghostbusters flick carry much of the INTP stereotype?

 

[Simpson17866]

Ok, this barely counts as a character, but didn't the villain in the new Ghostbusters flick carry much of the INTP stereotype?

I haven't seen it yet. Can you think of anything INTP that stood out for you?

 

[Tropes]

I haven't seen it yet. Can you think of anything INTP that stood out for you?

Not really a function analysis, just the stereotype of a socially awkward intelligent nerd who got shoved aside for a lack of social skills and suffers from a massive resentment. Think school shooter, but with ghosts.

 

[SouDesuNyan]

Consider the founders of Google, who are both INTPs. They were in the position to potentially take over the world, but instead, they hired someone else as CEO and adopted the motto "Don't be evil". INTPs are actually good leaders, ironically, because we don't want to lead. My guess is that the world would be at peace if all world leaders are replaced by equally competent INTPs. So, yea, we make terrible villains.. I think.

 

[Simpson17866]

Consider the founders of Google, who are both INTPs. They were in the position to potentially take over the world, but instead, they hired someone else as CEO and adopted the motto "Don't be evil". INTPs are actually good leaders, ironically, because we don't want to lead. My guess is that the world would be at peace if all world leaders are replaced by equally competent INTPs. So, yea, we make terrible villains.. I think.

Challenge accepted.

In one of my Urban Fantasy novels, I will make one of my lead antagonists be the Lawful Evil INTP leader of a very successful dark magic coven. Do you hear me, INTPs? I will show you all!!!

 

[LinkToTheLast]

Challenge accepted.

In one of my Urban Fantasy novels, I will make one of my lead antagonists be the Lawful Evil INTP leader of a very successful dark magic coven. Do you hear me, INTPs? I will show you all!!!

I'll be waiting :3

 

[Simpson17866]

I'll be waiting :3

Thanks!

Everybody talks about INTs being great villains (when they're J) and NTPs being great villains (when they're E), what exactly is it about IxxPs that throws everybody for a loop? Are all of the successful INTP villains working behind the scenes to spread propaganda for keeping themselves beneath suspicion?

... I probably shouldn't post this actually, should I

EDIT: you know what, No, I'm a Chaotic Neutral INTP, I'm not going to let the Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic Evil ones tell me what to do!

 

[LinkToTheLast]

Thanks!

Everybody talks about INTs being great villains (when they're J) and NTPs being great villains (when they're E), what exactly is it about IxxPs that throws everybody for a loop? Are all of the successful INTP villains working behind the scenes to spread propaganda for keeping themselves beneath suspicion?

... I probably shouldn't post this actually, should I

EDIT: you know what, No, I'm a Chaotic Neutral INTP, I'm not going to let the Lawful/Neutral/Chaotic Evil ones tell me what to do!

I honestly don't know, because i dont know what makes ENTPs great villains

 

[Simpson17866]

I honestly don't know, because i dont know what makes ENTPs great villains

Tyler Durden and The Joker come to mind :wink: Each one compelled to get as many people as possible as directly involved as possible in their grand vision of a world without any defined structure or touchy-feeley sentiment

 

[LinkToTheLast]

Tyler Durden and The Joker come to mind :wink: Each one compelled to get as many people as possible as directly involved as possible in their grand vision of a world without any defined structure or touchy-feeley sentiment

I have seen neither of those movies :frustrating:

also which version of the joker?

 

[Simpson17866]

I have seen neither of those movies :frustrating:

also which version of the joker?

1) Well then today's your lucky day because you are going to watch Fight Club as soon as you can, this is not optional :happy: And please don't look for spoilers if you haven't already, this spoiler is so important that the characters interrupted the movie to tell the audience not to spoil it :laughing: "The first rule of Fight Club, you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club, you do Not! Talk! About Fight Club!"

And also The Dark Knight if you haven't seen that either, best version of The Joker that I've seen hands-down, but more importantly Fight Club :wink:

 

[LinkToTheLast]

1) Well then today's your lucky day because you are going to watch Fight Club as soon as you can, this is not optional :happy: And please don't look for spoilers if you haven't already, this spoiler is so important that the characters interrupted the movie to tell the audience not to spoil it :laughing: "The first rule of Fight Club, you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club, you do Not! Talk! About Fight Club!"

And also The Dark Knight if you haven't seen that either, best version of The Joker that I've seen hands-down, but more importantly Fight Club :wink:

I don't have any where to stream the movie,and i really don't want to go/cant to a movie theater this late

 

[Simpson17866]

I don't have any where to stream the movie,and i really don't want to go/cant to a movie theater this late

Oh.

 

[GotLostAgain]

An INTP villain that didn't start off as a villain and ultimately their down-fall would be caused by their own machinations even with fore warnings of their colleagues who happened to be a ENTJ and a ENFJ. So I nominate the best case for an INTP villain {Arakune}

Our Villain

[Our Boss ENTJ who said this was an insane idea]

[Our ENFJ who failed to persuade our INTP]

But what made our dear sweet INTP into this knowledge seeking all-consuming monster. Well essentially he jumped into a magical nuclear reactor to find an all-powerful item called [The Azure Grimoire], Yes it was a bad idea in hind sight however his theory wasn't without base and just done improperly due him constantly working on it slowly descended him into the fore mentioned incident.Not to mention that being exposed to this magical nuclear reactor throws you into essentially realm that grinds your entire being into nothingness(Technically our INTP is the only person who has come back from this).

His actions ultimately made our lovely ENFJ's heart crumble and quit her job(She loved him, didn't ever really invest time into relationship due to typical "How does romance INTP?"). On the bright side however our ENTJ (Who blames herself for not catching on to his insanity earlier) ultimately figures out that our INTP was right for the exception of one crucial piece of info...Only artificial humans created using this thing can be near it without completely being destroyed. Now we go forward a few months into this story and our ENFJ is still looking for our INTP even though the same thing that corroded him is now essentially doing the same to her due to the fact she frequents the dangerous areas which produce mass quantities of the stuff......

If you wonder why this story seems so chopped up and hashed its because alot of it has to be researched and gleaned from characters talking to each other. But yeah if you are really interested in the story look up Blazblue story mode on Youtube its one of the better stories of the past few years.

 

[DoIHavetohaveaUserName]

I think INTP villains generally don’t see themselves as villains .

 

[Sava Saevus]

The only villain I can see the INTP becoming is an omnicidal / genocidal maniac but it would take some extremely long pushing and breaking logical and emotional degeneration to get it that far. For INTPs would likely never be the type to 'kill the son for the father's sins' unless, the son participated in a accepted amount in the father's sin or likely knowing obstruction of revenge / justice.

Hence, why most INTPs would have to live an extremely long life time, immortal or with perfect mental facilities regardless of advancing age because they would likely never experience everything in the world to make them like that, unless they were constantly attached (Read: Uploaded) into a constant data feed to shape them.

And of course, it would hurt. Over the course of many years, decades, centuries, each new proof of the world going against logic and even less exposed emotion would be as painful as the first...

But once the pain 'numbs' or the source is sought to be extinguished completely, expect wide scale extermination or sporadic pin point destruction. And it will be nothing more than just a 'switch flipped'. An objective pragmatism that makes Sun Tzu proud would be no more than simply a pursuit to an end goal. And due to the INTP being 'slothful or lazy' or even 'conservative of energy' it would make it even more jarring to onlookers if any obstruction to the INTP's desire was simply snuffed out.

The INTP would have no time for emotional baggage or grandstanding from themselves or others for it is beyond such motions of ego.
Everything that originally defined them would be akin to a star that has collapsed.
A walking black hole.

And everyone is in the event horizon.

 

But since we do not live forever with eventual degrading of our physical and mental facilities. Expect the likes of the character, 'Chessmaster Hex' from Cowboy Bebop.

 

He had a plan as creator of the 'warp gates' everyone used to cause widespread destruction and halting of the entire galaxy's economy and way of life indirectly through allowance of criminal usage those gates, however time got to him first before the plan was executed.

Or, there is Wan Shi Tong. An even more fitting example. Not originally a villain but he was a procurer of knowledge, had that knowledge turned against his wishes by the avatar, no less, for an advantage and what stung the most was that he knew it would always happen because humanity IS.

Which causes the next meeting with the next avatar to not be so well mannered and causes his actions for obstruction of the next avatar against saving humanity, and his personal desire to wipe humanity off the map.

Wan Shi Tong - Villains Wiki - Wikia

 

[Kaboomz]

Thanks!

Everybody talks about INTs being great villains (when they're J) and NTPs being great villains (when they're E), what exactly is it about IxxPs that throws everybody for a loop? Are all of the successful INTP villains working behind the scenes to spread propaganda for keeping themselves beneath suspicion?

ne keeps options open where as Ti wants to close them (even though it never does) so having an intp vs entp is sort of like having a wandering idiot vs a solitary hermit. fundamentally, they function the same, but one is out and about, bumping into shit, the other isn't. add in the inferior functions; si (who gives a fuck about the details, just push the detonator and see what happens) vs fe (lol i don't understand people, wtf is wrong with your face, are you trying to poop?) and it's just a stereotypical difference that lets one get into a lot more trouble. that's why i don't see entp's as very good villains. they always strike me as goofballs who cause trouble just because they are idiots that are gifted at improv. NTJ's actually plan. they have reason and usually some form of ethics behind their actions. NTPs are almost always in it for the lols or the knowledge. we both obviously plan and improvise, but on the scale of villainous behavior, we just aren't in the same league

if you want a good example of an intp villain, robert deniro's character in taxi driver always seemed quite likely. he's not -really- a villain, but he does go off the deep end and shoot people with awshum guns with an extremely warped though personal sense of logic. dr manhattan is also a good intp villain, if you were fighting america. omnipotence + dejected nihilism...but he still gets outplayed by the INTJ master villain :S