[morgandollar]

I don't think there's any particular type associated with Narcissism, although I think FJ types are probably less prone than Ts and FPs.

I do think most psychopaths tend to either be TPs or NTJs though. Very few would be Feelers and ISTJs and ESTJs tend to be too conscientious and value rules too much to be psychopaths. I'd say the STPs have the most in common with psychopaths, followed closely by the NTPs and then the NTJs a bit further behind.

Actually not all psychopaths are bad people. I read that only about 15% of them can be classified as antisocial, which is higher than the 2% or so of the general population, but still a minority. Most psychopaths are actually law abiding people (even if only out of convenience) and I'm sure a lot of them contribute to their communities.

 

[morgandollar]

Narcissists and psychopaths are different beasts though.

Narcissists demand constant validation and praise, thus why I believe an F type can definitely fit the bill. It's hard to imagine a F type being a psychopath though. If they are, they must be the clueless kind in that they believe in their inner core that they're always doing the right thing, oblivious to the fact that they only act in their own self-interests and screw everyone around them. A T type psychopath however is probably devoid of any thoughts of morality. That's why I do believe psychos are probably by default TP types. Their lower Fe only serves to monitor people's reactions and act accordingly but there's not an ounce of ''I think that would hurt their feelings'' it's only about what they can get away with. I think TJ types can't really be psychopaths at least from a clinical standpoint. Fi, no matter how low and dysfunctional it may be demands moral justifications for one's actions and is self-reflective. At worst I think TJ types will be cold and domineering assholes who push and bully people around for (what they think) is a perfectly justifiable goal. But that leans more towards narcissism or just shitty people skills than anti-social behavior.

Also, I don't partake in this belief that NTJs have the potential to somehow be more evil or morally corrupt than STJs. I think this is a myth brought on by all these fictional NTJ villains we see in media, which their is an overly exaggerated abundance of. But that's only people because are lazy when it comes to writing villains. It's just easier to go for the by-the-book megalomaniac NTJ who wants to carry out his plan and step on everyone in his way, rather than a very complex, multi-layered SF villain for instance.

I've looked at polls of self-professed psychopaths and some of them do say they are TJ types, although TP types are probably still more common. I think it leans more towards TP because of secondary psychopathy, which is characterized largely by impulsivity.

I disagree that Fi always leads to empathy therefore TJs cannot truly be evil. Values yes, but Fi values can be completely self-centered or very warped. INTJs actually rate slightly higher in primary psychopathy than INTPs.

 

[morgandollar]

What, exactly is secondary psychopathy? Both me and @Wellsy have dabbled a bit in the study of psychopathy and I've never heard of this before (Wellsy, that's why I summon you as well to this thread - have you heard of this?).

Also, where do you get this particular statistic? I wasn't aware there had ever been a study of psychopathy and MBTI type. I'd be extremely interested in their methods especially.

I do have to say that I find it so sad that many cannot seem to see the depth of heart inside the INTJ. It is something I struggle to defend and bright light to, but I've learned to remain silent as my efforts are destined to fall upon deaf ears.

It wasn't a very scientific study, some person polled the different types in terms of how high they ranked in psychopathic traits. None of the individual types ranked particularly high, although ENTP and ESTP ranked the highest.

I think primary psychopathy is more like "meanness" and secondary psychopathy is impulsivity and rule breaking.

 

[morgandollar]

@brightflashes Psychopathy is a field of study and a condition which happens on a continuum, i.e. a spectrum. Psychopathy is split into two factors:

Factor 1 Psychopathy (Classic Psychopathy) which is mainly Interpersonal and includes symptoms like: Cold Heartedness, Low emotionality such as fearlessness, shallow emotions, Callousness, Superficial Charm, Grandiosity and Pathological Lying.

Factor 2 Psychopathy (AKA Sociopathy) is mainly Affective and Behavioral. Symptoms are: Antisocial tendencies, Impulsivity, unstable emotions, Parasytic lifestyle, irresponsibility, lack of empathy.

EDIT: A lot of INTJs including myself score high on Factor 1 Psychopathy on that test, but what it is measuring is Sub-clinical Psychopathy, not Clinical Psychopathy, I believe the test itself stated that a score of 97% or above would indicate Clinical Psychopathy. Scoring high on Factor 1 Psychopathy has a lot less meaning than scoring high on factor 2 psychopathy because Factor 1 Psychopathy is something an individual is born with via genetics. Factor 1 Psychopathy is essentially just lack of brain Structure which renders subjects incapable of experiencing many emotions. So yeah, INTJs may have "Psychopathic tendencies" like many other Thinking types, but that doesn't mean anything.

EDIT 2: This is the test I spoke of https://openpsychometrics.org/tests/LSRP.php. Below is a chart of average MBTI type scores from a sample of a couple of hundred people:

 

I'm surprised that ENFPs rank so high in secondary psychopathy.

 

[morgandollar]

Do you happen to know how they measured for type? I'm always interested in how they determine type in those sorts of studies. While type is returned consistently at a 78% rate on MBTI (the most recent statistic I have seen at least), it's still far from perfected. : )

Sounds like they were studying antisocial personality disorder perhaps? Psychopaths, in my experience, aren't "mean". I forgot to add I also did a small prison study, but that was for school and nothing at all scientific except that it was directed by a professor and a statistician.

It was self identified type, and based on a study on Tumblr, but I saw another study that found similar results (ExTPs having the most psychopathic traits, and FJs the least).

I think primary psychopath relates more to shallow emotions and callous affect (these people aren't necessarily mean or bad like you said, Alex Honnold the mountain climber is a very admirable person and is much like this) while secondary psychopathy relates more to antisocial personality disorder (who are really just people who commit antisocial acts, but are usually dysfunctional neurotypicals rather than genuine psychopaths).