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INTJ/ INFJ Doorslam

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#1 ·
I found something interesting online today that INTJ and INFJ in a similiar way apparently do called "Doorslam".



Did you guys do this before and what was your reasoning behind it? Can anyone redeem himself/herself as soon as you cut ties with him/her or is he/she in your eyes a lost cause? How can other MBTI preserve their relationship (friendship/romantic relationship) with you without the fear of something like this happening?

Have a nice day :D
 
#2 ·
Decades ago I realized that 99.99% of the people I had ever known or met in my life I ended up at some point wishing I simply had never met them. Over the years, while the human sample of 'met people' has grown the percentage has not - in fact I'm thinkin its now around 99.99999999%. It so much easier, really to NEVER let anyone into ones life in the first place but, well, shit happens.

<<<<<<-----------------take it frum a koon!

Today I've pretty much eliminated everyone frum my life, on a personal relationship level, i.e.; Doorslammed them: Family, freinds, aquaintances, I've quit returning client calls, never answer my fone directly, don't do any of it anymore. Am totally sick of anyone & everyone on any & every level.

I have maintained a personal relationship with 4 people:
1 - a good friend whom I've known for 40 years; while we don't see each other much thru the year ,we stay in contact regularly via fone/text.
2 - a good friend whom I've known for about 35 years; we see each other 1 or twice a year but talk/text regularly.
3 - a good friend whom I grew up with in foster homes; we've known each other for 55 years, since we were kids, I guess he's the equivalent of a brother. I've seen him once in the last 15 years but we also talk on the fone a couple times a month.
4 - My daughter, who is an Internal Med Physician, whom I see a couple times a year but talk/text, etc.

Thats it folks - the extent of my personal relationships as I write this. Everyone else I've simply gotten rid of, dropped off the face of the earth to them. They all would text & leave messages wonderring what happen, where are you, etc........ I never even read them - just hit delete and I've never looked back.

I like Me and enjoy being solitary vs anyone in my life. IF they can't contribute something positive to my life why have them in it?
Enough for now.
Ciao.............INTJonn
 
#6 ·
If you could reverse time before you cut them out, would you have made a different choice or are you sure you made the right choice here?

Once we cut that person off it is for one reason only
They betrayed us and once you betrayed us you are dead as far as we are concerned
I see. In what way did they betray you if you don't mind me asking?

As an INFJ I've never really door slammed anyone, I have difficulty staying angry with someone.
Similiar to me but if someone doesn't better himself or herself and he/she is toxic and don't want to stay in contact. But luckily I don't have to do this too often.
 
#3 ·
I found something interesting online today that INTJ and INFJ in a similiar way apparently do called "Doorslam".

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Did you guys do this before and what was your reasoning behind it? Can anyone redeem himself/herself as soon as you cut ties with him/her or is he/she in your eyes a lost cause? How can other MBTI preserve their relationship (friendship/romantic relationship) with you without the fear of something like this happening?

Have a nice day :D
Once we cut that person off it is for one reason only
They betrayed us and once you betrayed us you are dead as far as we are concerned
 
#5 ·
I found something interesting online today that INTJ and INFJ in a similiar way apparently do called "Doorslam".

View attachment 834059

Did you guys do this before and what was your reasoning behind it? Can anyone redeem himself/herself as soon as you cut ties with him/her or is he/she in your eyes a lost cause? How can other MBTI preserve their relationship (friendship/romantic relationship) with you without the fear of something like this happening?

Have a nice day :D
It’s not abrupt and for no reason. As it says, it’s usually the final piece in an “already toxic” relationship. If someone is completely nasty and/or has done some big act of betrayal, big lie, harmful behavior toward me, made damages, etc. then that’s probably going to be me cutting them all the way off. It’s a lost cause if they are that far gone as a person that they would do something terrible. I think other types and people cut people off for extremely poor behavior all the time. Many don’t and they live a disturbed life going back and forth with drama with a drama person. I don’t deal with drama. Period. For me, I haven’t really had to door slam anyone because I smell the drama far before a friendship is established and I avoid the person in the first place. But I can see how someone could have a “door slam” from me. It is healthy to have boundaries and separate yourself from people who are negative and toxic to your life.

One shouldn’t fear this happening if you’re a stable person who doesn’t do shitty things to people. This isn’t for small “oops” or being “annoying” (I include this because many people seem to worry their INTJ partner or friend is annoyed with them, even if that’s not the case) or anything like that. I’m very open and flexible and easygoing as a friend as long as you’re a decent person. A doorslam is more for those really poor behaviors that impact my life negatively.
 
#12 ·
I mostly just wana be by myself cause I like my life. It doesn't matter if the person has necessarily been a negative in my life - its my life and On a personal relationship level it doesn't have to have anything to do with anyone else........



<<<<<--------------take it frum a koon!

the old adage "Misery loves company" just doesn't apply to me. I'm not miserable, love my life, love being solitary, love no one elses life influencing mine.
i.e - Its none of my business what someone else thinks of me - good, bad or indifferent.
i.e - its none of my business if someone else wants me in their life - thats their problem - not mine.
i.e - Its none of their business IF I choose to like or maybe even love them - its my affection and I'm not obligated to share it. if I want to keep it to myself I will & do because it has nothing to do with them; its mine.

I do enjoy having a conversation with someone sometimes about an interesting & edifying idea or concept but it doesn't mean I ever want another one with them or ever see or hear from them ever again and generally I don't want to. "Our conversation about volcanic hydraulics, gravitional influeneces and dark energy well it was just a one night stand" - no we're not going to explore Kilauea together.
Ciao.......INTJohn
 
#13 ·
i don't agree that it's 'for betrayal' only. i know of several slam-ees whose offences were far less dramatic than that. the common denominator is probably 'this isn't going to change,' in my case.

I am not sure on 'abrupt'. to a boundary-blind person or someone who simply refuses to listen maybe it does seem abrupt. inability to see it coming and make the adjustments goes with the same turf that they're being slammed/ghosted for imo. and i don't think of it as being on me.
 
#14 ·
I actually door slammed someone very recently. They had been a friend for around 8 years and they had over the last 2-3 years been getting more and more "toxic" and manipulative and generally just out to make me feel bad, not to mention always asking for money that I know they would never spend on things they actually needed. It hurt me to do this but they were really just making my life worse and not being a friend. So it was time to end this torture. :sad:
 
#18 ·
Sorry to hear that. All the best to you and hope you find a way better friend who you can trust!

Correction: I prefer throwing away the key, instead of "doorslamming" for me.

In this context, I "doorslam" (i.e. throw away the key) it is when my agency has been so depleted by the other individual that it does not warrant a proper dismissal.

In other word(s); there is a lack of respect for my agency coming from the other party, to which I do not see the point in granting them such luxuries. (e.g. abuse, narcissists, disrespectful strangers, "associates" with low intimate rapport, etc).

A "doorslam" is not only the 'cut-off' of all contact. A "doorslam" begins with lack of respect—and laziness on the other party, to where I justify throwing the key—ceasing all contact.

I threw away the key with a 'friend' recently—she had long "closed" the door on our friendship and with a crack through the peephole as I gave her fair space to redeem, if I may add. The next step is throwing away the key, which most specimens seem to take issue with.

I want to say this, just because I cease all contact [abruptly - with no scheduled time], doesn't mean they weren't warned or oblivious it was coming via acknowledgment of their faults & error(s) but refused to address them; not all are blind to what they do - but instead fail to mend the issue and/or are too lazy to acknowledge my agency in relation to themselves.

The way I see it, those that are offended by the key being thrown away they were "never really friends.." to begin with (fixating on the superficial aspects of human relations [i.e. vanity, social status points, hyper need for validation, complexity-blindness and/or "fear" untreated traumas - hasty relationships made out of chronic loneliness/lack of intimacy, fear of abandonment, etc] - rather than mutual care and/or distress of said friend in comparison to their behavior(s)).

With that said, this is the reasoning why I am more prone to doorslam associates and/or individuals with a weak sense or understanding of self, as opposed to friends. Evaluating those for "friendship" starts first and foremost with character. "Authenticity, kindness and loving everyone" is more of an NF-trait which they seem to fixate on when evaluating friends - but it is seems they often hit or miss, and is a weak method of people evaluation.

But these 'authentic, kindness, love, and fairness' are not what I fixate on like the NF, or something I am worry about in people. You can be full of plastic and mean as all hell, but a strong sense and understanding of self is more than sufficient to judge character. Thus, this strong understanding and sense of self reduces the need to doorslam people in so far as they are sufficient enough to set their own boundaries—thus acknowledge the importance of habitual care of themselves & how this is necessary to care for others in the process - in short, they understand reciprocity.

Other (MBTI) types, especially the (NF) are known to be self-defeating optimists - with a different set of expectations, thus known for their dead-horse beating in the name of "love" - which is heroic, but (NT) acknowledge such heroism as useless, thus the reduced 3rd, 4th chances.

And finally, just because I throw away the key, more quickly or abrupt, doesn't mean I do not feel the grief of loss, indeed, the action of cutting the ties myself (and battling my own emotions after the fact) - of an individual that had a solid potential to be a good part of my life often feels far more painful than being "ghosted" by the other, which is often misunderstood by other MBTI types, who tend to "grieve" loss of a friend or relationship/friendship differently. I often see potential in many, and having to cut those with potential loose is never an easy task.
Yeah it's always awful if you have to do it but it makes sense so it doesn't further hurt you. I think an important aspect to look at is also that you as INTJ can see the motives of people/read people quite clearly I would even say best than any other type (expect the INFJ could rival you perhaps). As an INFP I don't have a strong Ni and we have a thousand different ideas/possibilities how something could play out and of course us interpreting the situation wrongly is also a valid outcome. That's why I personally tend to give second chances. Only with experience you get more of an idea what seems reasonable and what does not. So I'm guessing that might be a reason why other types aren't so sure and want to play it safe instead of making a clear cut which can be quite destructive for themselves.
 
#15 · (Edited)
Did you guys do this before and what was your reasoning behind it? Can anyone redeem himself/herself as soon as you cut ties with him/her or is he/she in your eyes a lost cause? How can other MBTI preserve their relationship (friendship/romantic relationship) with you without the fear of something like this happening?

Have a nice day :D
Correction: I prefer throwing away the key, instead of "doorslamming" for me.

In this context, I "doorslam" (i.e. throw away the key) it is when my agency has been so depleted by the other individual that it does not warrant a proper dismissal.

In other word(s); there is a lack of respect for my agency coming from the other party, to which I do not see the point in granting them such luxuries. (e.g. abuse, narcissists, disrespectful strangers, "associates" with low intimate rapport, etc).

A "doorslam" is not only the 'cut-off' of all contact. A "doorslam" begins with lack of respect—and laziness on the other party, to where I justify throwing the key—ceasing all contact.

I threw away the key with a 'friend' recently—she had long "closed" the door on our friendship and with a crack through the peephole as I gave her fair space to redeem, if I may add. The next step is throwing away the key, which most specimens seem to take issue with.

I want to say this, just because I cease all contact [abruptly - with no scheduled time], doesn't mean they weren't warned or oblivious it was coming via acknowledgment of their faults & error(s) but refused to address them; not all are blind to what they do - but instead fail to mend the issue and/or are too lazy to acknowledge my agency in relation to themselves.

The way I see it, those that are offended by the key being thrown away they were "never really friends.." to begin with (fixating on the superficial aspects of human relations [i.e. vanity, social status points, hyper need for validation, complexity-blindness and/or "fear" untreated traumas - hasty relationships made out of chronic loneliness/lack of intimacy, fear of abandonment, etc] - rather than mutual care and/or distress of said friend in comparison to their behavior(s)).

With that said, this is the reasoning why I am more prone to doorslam associates and/or individuals with a weak sense or understanding of self, as opposed to friends. Evaluating those for "friendship" starts first and foremost with character. "Authenticity, kindness and loving everyone" is more of an NF-trait which they seem to fixate on when evaluating friends - but it is seems they often hit or miss, and is a weak method of people evaluation.

But these 'authentic, kindness, love, and fairness' are not what I fixate on like the NF, or something I am worry about in people. You can be full of plastic and mean as all hell, but a strong sense and understanding of self is more than sufficient to judge character. Thus, this strong understanding and sense of self reduces the need to doorslam people in so far as they are sufficient enough to set their own boundaries—thus acknowledge the importance of habitual care of themselves & how this is necessary to care for others in the process - in short, they understand reciprocity.

Other (MBTI) types, especially the (NF) are known to be self-defeating optimists - with a different set of expectations, thus known for their dead-horse beating in the name of "love" - which is heroic, but (NT) acknowledge such heroism as useless, thus the reduced 3rd, 4th chances.

And finally, just because I throw away the key, more quickly or abrupt, doesn't mean I do not feel the grief of loss, indeed, the action of cutting the ties myself (and battling my own emotions after the fact) - of an individual that had a solid potential to be a good part of my life often feels far more painful than being "ghosted" by the other, which is often misunderstood by other MBTI types, who tend to "grieve" loss of a friend or relationship/friendship differently. I often see potential in many, and having to cut those with potential loose is never an easy task.
 
#16 ·
For me, showing emotions and letting people in is a slow process. So there are not many people "In" whom I can cut-off in the first place.

But when it comes to less personal relationships, If someone hurts me or becomes toxic, I no longer can care about them enough to show any compassion or pay them any special attention. That usually ends in the toxic people giving up and leaving on their own.

Keep in mind that the most prevalent problem I have with people is the fact that they approach me expecting me to give them the same treatment I give to my inner circle of friends- which is pretty much impossible for me to offer to anyone but my closest friends.
 
#19 ·
For me, I 'doorslam' when I make a decision that a person no longer functions in my life. I'm not going to pretend this is always fair for the other person - it's not. I merely have limited resources to handle other people, and need independence like I need air.

Those that take up a lot of resources mean I must adjust somewhere else. It is a balancing act to be carefully considered. It isn't about the person doing anything wrong or egregious, but a difference in how we want to live our lives, how we relate, how we don't relate, what resources we have available... which can often change over time. I've generally cut people out when these factors create a dynamic where they 'take' without ever 'giving', or visa versa. (Yes, if I feel I'm taking too much in relationship and unable to give, I cut off from that person, as well.)

I've generally never 'doorslammed' people for betrayal or a breach of trust. I see those people a mile away and never get emotionally or materially involved with them if I can help it. Even when I do, I don't cut them out on those grounds because I expect the behavior and protect myself from it.

However, I've attributed this tendency to be more in line with Enneagram type 5 patterning than INTJ.
 
#20 · (Edited)
I found something interesting online today that INTJ and INFJ in a similiar way apparently do called "Doorslam".

View attachment 834059

Did you guys do this before and what was your reasoning behind it? Can anyone redeem himself/herself as soon as you cut ties with him/her or is he/she in your eyes a lost cause? How can other MBTI preserve their relationship (friendship/romantic relationship) with you without the fear of something like this happening?

Have a nice day :D
"Doorslam" is some kind of lazy disconnection, in cutting off the lines, from someone judged toxic. I ran a search on youtube with "INTJ doorslam" and only INFJ doorslam came up. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=INTJ+Doorslam

NPs may not 'doorslam' but if your company is going under right now it could be because some NP recruited, delegated and promoted the wrong people into a position of trust or power.
 
#22 ·
"Doorslam" is some kind of lazy disconnection.
to this i am just gonna say that there are people and times when 'lazy' is much better than the alternative. and i mean more ethically justified iyam, as well as more nicer and comfortable-er for me.

i don't think that i really slam. to me, 'slam' connotes some kind of grand exit scene - the big drama denunciation immediately preceding the slam. i would more say i doorCLOSE. i've actually had a few slammers come back weeks or months or years later and ask if we can try it again, but most of the time by that point i would rather just leave the door closed.
 
#21 ·
omg, not another one of these!

that said, the door slam is really the most pleasant way of putting a relationship to death.

Think of it - the people who don't door slam but let a relationship slowly die a painful death - how cruel is that?

I would say - put a gun to the head of the relationship, pull the trigger and euthanize it already.
 
#24 ·
This is very true however sometimes one of the people involved don't think there is anything wrong and for them the door slam isn't putting an end to their suffering but the start of it if they still like the other person.

I've door slammed friends that probably were unaware how shitty they were and so it would have came as a surprise when I just dropped them out of the blue.. which was evident as they never stopped calling for a year and getting my voicemail, if they don't know what they're doing is wrong I'm not interested in trying to explain it to them, as I would need to keep explaining more and more things further down the line.
 
#23 ·
I'll gladly doorslam mofos. Can't be doing with rats and cockroaches scuttering around my feet. Whether it's done dramatically or not, I have no qualms severing ties with undesirables, bad influences, traitors, liars, scumbags, those who lack basic decency.

Depending on the severity, if it's someone I've known from Adam, or had a close relationship with in the past, then I will give another chance after x amount of time, especially if they seem to have changed their ways, or settled down. Aside from that, keep off my lawn.

I would love to do this for other types who have a hard time doing it, or have their good natures taken advantage of. I would happily doorslam all not good for them, in my impeccable judgement.

The way to avoid it is not to be a lowlife.
 
#32 ·
It's due to the INTJs super-ego. Once we decide that you cannot be trusted, we mentally light you on fire and burn you to the ground. It's as if we never knew you. You simply don't exist. If we're required to interact with you, it will be minimized with as little direct eye contact, as few words, and body language that faces away from you.

It's brutal, but it's a fabulous coping method for cutting losers and dirtbags out of your life. Like, I have (almost typed 'had') an abusive mother and alcoholic/drug addict father. Haven't seen or spoken with either for over a decade. Totally cut out. I never think about them.

Can you un-kill yourself in my mind? It can happen, but you better pack a lunch. You'll also need reams of data and a bit of righteousness to prove that I unfairly murdered you, because in my mind it was a bit of righteous self-defense. A 'good kill', as it were.

If you truly wronged me and you're looking for a second chance? I'm not saying it's impossible, but trust will require years to rebuild.
 
#33 ·
Trust and Boundaries

So easily stepped on and ignored by those with no integrity and moral standard.

"Friendship", should not be interpretive, or taken cheap, disposable.